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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 6, 2014 15:48:45 GMT
We know he was back in town in time for July 12, not that he returned in July. This event was in the second episode of the season: William returned in the previous episode. How do we know Julia's first wedding was Nov. 27th? That's an odd day for a wedding.  If he was away for that many months, William was very lucky that Inspector B gave him his job back. And if George was Acting Detective during all that time, he must have solved a few cases. It's very interesting that nothing ever came of that experience for George.  The date is no odder than May 28th, or July 10th! Cause remember Canadian Thanksgiving is a different time than American. And the date (dispite it coming from the FB timeline) makes sense with the weather visible in the episode. Well remember he took a leave of absence-on top of his already existing three(two?)-week suspension. IKR? Well it seemed that George was pretty settled into his role as Acting Detective (there was a plant in Murdoch's office!) But I think that the Inspector was taking the cases and getting George up to snuff to Acting Detecitve level, up to the end of the year. In the new year Brackenreid gave Crabtree the acting detective position, as right in the beginning of the episode Giles & Brackenreid had the following conversation. And it appears that it was getting rather close to the point when Murdoch was going to actually lose his job. Yeah, I'd wager that he was gone for quite a while. And that last line from Giles in light of the secret we now know he was hiding. Hypocrite. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 6, 2014 15:57:53 GMT
We know he was back in town in time for July 12, not that he returned in July. This event was in the second episode of the season: William returned in the previous episode. How do we know Julia's first wedding was Nov. 27th? That's an odd day for a wedding. If he was away for that many months, William was very lucky that Inspector B gave him his job back. And if George was Acting Detective during all that time, he must have solved a few cases. It's very interesting that nothing ever came of that experience for George. The date is no odder than May 28th, or July 10th! Cause remember Canadian Thanksgiving is a different time than American. And the date (dispite it coming from the FB timeline) makes sense with the weather visible in the episode. Well remember he took a leave of absence-on top of his already existing three(two?)-week suspension. IKR? Well it seemed that George was pretty settled into his role as Acting Detective (there was a plant in Murdoch's office!) But I think that the Inspector was taking the cases and getting George up to snuff to Acting Detecitve level, up to the end of the year. In the new year Brackenreid gave Crabtree the acting detective position, as right in the beginning of the episode Giles & Brackenreid had the following conversation. And it appears that it was getting rather close to the point when Murdoch was going to actually lose his job. So much venom from Giles with that last line...and now we know why. Anyway, I don't know about specific dates...I doubt FB's timeline is all that accurate. But they usually jump 3-6 months in between seasons due to their filming schedule to keep outdoor continuity. If it was up to 6 months later, it makes even less sense to me that George and Emily never met earlier, or that it took Julia that long to leave her post before William came back. UNLESS, she simply couldn't find a replacement and Emily only came on the scene like a month or so before William came back, then the timeline kinda makes sense. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 6, 2014 19:30:59 GMT
We know he was in The Klondike in mid summer as it was light all the time, so he could not be back until at least end of June beginning of July. I am trying to remember if we every saw the invitation to Julia's wedding showing the date. I don't know that we did. However, the outdoor scenes in 'Murdoch in Wonderland' looked rather fall-like - there were no leaves on the trees. The Nov. 27 date probably came from somewhere - I'm just curious where it did come from. Also, if William was in the Yukon that long, he might have made a tidy sum to sock away/invest.  |
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Post by snacky on Dec 6, 2014 19:36:54 GMT
I'm really curious about the cases George actually worked on during that time! Maybe some will come back to haunt George! |
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Post by snacky on Dec 6, 2014 19:41:39 GMT
Yeah, I'd wager that he was gone for quite a while. And that last line from Giles in light of the secret we now know he was hiding. Hypocrite. There were quite a few hypocritical lines from Giles in Murdoch in Wonderland - especially the one regarding the conflict between conscience and upholding the law. Now we know which route Giles actually took on that. I think the only way we can look at that is Giles was flagellating himself over the matter, and flagellating William, too, because he saw himself in William. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 6, 2014 19:49:51 GMT
So much venom from Giles with that last line...and now we know why. Anyway, I don't know about specific dates...I doubt FB's timeline is all that accurate. But they usually jump 3-6 months in between seasons due to their filming schedule to keep outdoor continuity. If it was up to 6 months later, it makes even less sense to me that George and Emily never met earlier, or that it took Julia that long to leave her post before William came back. UNLESS, she simply couldn't find a replacement and Emily only came on the scene like a month or so before William came back, then the timeline kinda makes sense. I always figured that Darcy and Julia took a serious honeymoon in Europe as well - a month or so was probably involved in that, with a substitute coroner of some sort. The whole time she was probably slightly melancholy because William didn't respond to her letter, meaning he didn't love her after all. When she returned, she discovered William had resigned and fled to the Yukon, perhaps never to return. She had mainly returned to work as coroner to work with William. She started casting about for a replacement and eventually found Emily. George may have met Emily earlier, but not had much chance to interact with her. It was a few years before William got anything cooking with Julia, after all... |
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Post by snacky on Dec 7, 2014 5:08:02 GMT
In another thread I have started to wonder what Julia thought of the fact that William not only didn't stop her wedding (indicating his feelings had waned for her after all) but that he immediately fled Toronto after her wedding - perhaps never to return. How did she interpret that? If William didn't care for her at all, then the wedding should have meant nothing, and he should have stayed in Toronto. Or perhaps she figured it was all about Constance Gardner and didn't think she was even part of what was going on with William.
Yet in Back and to the Left, she not only feels the sparks are flying between her and William: she presumes William is feeling what she is feeling, and those feelings are strong enough that she has to step away before she starts reforming a bond with William and regretting her (passionless) marriage.
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Dec 7, 2014 5:12:18 GMT
I'm really curious about the cases George actually worked on during that time! Maybe some will come back to haunt George! Well apparently there was one that involved a man called "January" |
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Post by snacky on Dec 7, 2014 5:36:07 GMT
I'm really curious about the cases George actually worked on during that time! Maybe some will come back to haunt George! Well apparently there was one that involved a man called "January" I find it hard to believe he only got one real case, and he only had to deal with lazy Higgins, in the last week before William came back after 6-7 month absence. Some malevolent time gnome has been screwing with the time-space continuum there. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Dec 7, 2014 6:15:03 GMT
Well apparently there was one that involved a man called "January" I find it hard to believe he only got one real case, and he only had to deal with lazy Higgins, in the last week before William came back after 6-7 month absence. Some malevolent time gnome has been screwing with the time-space continuum there. Well there were probably others that we don't hear about, within that "leave of absence". It's not like we have a scrutiny camera set up in the stationhouse or anything! that wouldn't be creepy as at all |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 7, 2014 7:09:41 GMT
In another thread I have started to wonder what Julia thought of the fact that William not only didn't stop her wedding (indicating his feelings had waned for her after all) but that he immediately fled Toronto after her wedding - perhaps never to return. How did she interpret that? If William didn't care for her at all, then the wedding should have meant nothing, and he should have stayed in Toronto. Or perhaps she figured it was all about Constance Gardner and didn't think she was even part of what was going on with William. Yet in Back and to the Left, she not only feels the sparks are flying between her and William: she presumes William is feeling what she is feeling, and those feelings are strong enough that she has to step away before she starts reforming a bond with William and regretting her (passionless) marriage. In one of my fics she just assumed it was because he himself had committed a crime. And it was this belief that ironically led her to think they still had a chance together. Her reasoning had to do with William taking risks and not seeing the world in black and white any longer. Perhaps this logic meant that they might commit adultery if given the chance. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 7, 2014 7:37:37 GMT
In another thread I have started to wonder what Julia thought of the fact that William not only didn't stop her wedding (indicating his feelings had waned for her after all) but that he immediately fled Toronto after her wedding - perhaps never to return. How did she interpret that? If William didn't care for her at all, then the wedding should have meant nothing, and he should have stayed in Toronto. Or perhaps she figured it was all about Constance Gardner and didn't think she was even part of what was going on with William. Yet in Back and to the Left, she not only feels the sparks are flying between her and William: she presumes William is feeling what she is feeling, and those feelings are strong enough that she has to step away before she starts reforming a bond with William and regretting her (passionless) marriage. In one of my fics she just assumed it was because he himself had committed a crime. And it was this belief that ironically led her to think they still had a chance together. Her reasoning had to do with William taking risks and not seeing the world in black and white any longer. Perhaps this logic meant that they might commit adultery if given the chance. This situation was quite a breakthrough for William, and Julia would have seen that. The other up side is if she believed William had committed a crime, then that would have given William an "out" for not interrupting the wedding. But then Julia would have to embark on her wedding with Darcy with the secret feeling that she and William still had something going on. No wonder their marriage felt passionless! Julia was probably holding a lot back. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 7, 2014 14:55:34 GMT
In one of my fics she just assumed it was because he himself had committed a crime. And it was this belief that ironically led her to think they still had a chance together. Her reasoning had to do with William taking risks and not seeing the world in black and white any longer. Perhaps this logic meant that they might commit adultery if given the chance. This situation was quite a breakthrough for William, and Julia would have seen that. The other up side is if she believed William had committed a crime, then that would have given William an "out" for not interrupting the wedding. But then Julia would have to embark on her wedding with Darcy with the secret feeling that she and William still had something going on. No wonder their marriage felt passionless! Julia was probably holding a lot back. Yeah, I think that's why she says, "I think I understand why you didn't," in reference to not being able to attend the wedding, rather than it simply being too difficult for him to watch her go through with it. He attempts to explain further but she cuts him off, "We must accept the decisions we've made." I'm thinking perhaps she didn't want him to confess his complicity in Moon's escape because then there would be a bond of comradeship again and she couldn't handle that familiarity. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 7, 2014 20:56:17 GMT
This situation was quite a breakthrough for William, and Julia would have seen that. The other up side is if she believed William had committed a crime, then that would have given William an "out" for not interrupting the wedding. But then Julia would have to embark on her wedding with Darcy with the secret feeling that she and William still had something going on. No wonder their marriage felt passionless! Julia was probably holding a lot back. Yeah, I think that's why she says, "I think I understand why you didn't," in reference to not being able to attend the wedding, rather than it simply being too difficult for him to watch her go through with it. He attempts to explain further but she cuts him off, "We must accept the decisions we've made." I'm thinking perhaps she didn't want him to confess his complicity in Moon's escape because then there would be a bond of comradeship again and she couldn't handle that familiarity. But there is the rub: William (and we) don't know what kind of story Julia may have told herself about why William let her marry another man. The fact remains that even if William's feelings "weren't the same" anymore, he didn't put her first. In cutting William off, I think Julia was also protecting herself: hearing his excuses for putting her second and letting her marry another man would have been too painful. The fact was she had committed to marrying Darcy months ago, and William had elected to do nothing about it for all that time: those were the decisions, and now they both had to live with the results. Regarding the bond of comradeship - I think she was afraid it would confirm they loved each other, and it would undermine the commitments they had made elsewhere. (They would have an affair, which would betray Darcy and would make William party to adultery). |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 7, 2014 21:31:41 GMT
Yeah, I think that's why she says, "I think I understand why you didn't," in reference to not being able to attend the wedding, rather than it simply being too difficult for him to watch her go through with it. He attempts to explain further but she cuts him off, "We must accept the decisions we've made." I'm thinking perhaps she didn't want him to confess his complicity in Moon's escape because then there would be a bond of comradeship again and she couldn't handle that familiarity. But there is the rub: William (and we) don't know what kind of story Julia may have told herself about why William let her marry another man. The fact remains that even if William's feelings "weren't the same" anymore, he didn't put her first. In cutting William off, I think Julia was also protecting herself: hearing his excuses for putting her second and letting her marry another man would have been too painful. The fact was she had committed to marrying Darcy months ago, and William had elected to do nothing about it for all that time: those were the decisions, and now they both had to live with the results. Regarding the bond of comradeship - I think she was afraid it would confirm they loved each other, and it would undermine the commitments they had made elsewhere. (They would have an affair, which would betray Darcy and would make William party to adultery). I think Julia does understand why William did what he did, but she's still afraid of rejection, and partly cuts him off because she's terrified of the truth and partly because she's afraid that it'll undermine her marriage to Darcy-this was still their honeymoon phase, and she hadn't called it quits just yet. I agree she was trying to avoid an affair as well, yet that's what the two of them end up doing in the end anyway. It became a commentary on how being honorable has disastrous results, I think. |
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