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Post by Hodge on Dec 9, 2014 17:57:21 GMT
Well, here are a few possibilities. Could be one of these, or a combination (or, of course, none of the below): 1) No one knew how long Murdoch would be gone, so Station 4 was having detectives from other station houses handle things... until they realized this situation could last for quite some time. 2) George might have been investigating other types of crimes/incidents, and detectives from other station houses handled the murder cases. 3) It might have taken George this long to convince Brackenreid to let him handle the investigations. 1 and 3 are probably possible, especially since Giles was there checking on the status of things. But George sure got his plants in their fast!  George had probably been an acting detective from the start. However I think as William had been away for so long Mr. B may have been considering promoting him to 'permanent' acting detective and needed Giles permission to do that as it probably meant a pay raise. In the past he's been a temporary acting detective for a single case so no need to ask permission. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 9, 2014 18:08:21 GMT
1 and 3 are probably possible, especially since Giles was there checking on the status of things. But George sure got his plants in their fast! George had probably been an acting detective from the start. However I think as William had been away for so long Mr. B may have been considering promoting him to 'permanent' acting detective and needed Giles permission to do that as it probably meant a pay raise. In the past he's been a temporary acting detective for a single case so no need to ask permission. Maybe "Toronto the Good" had not had any murders that whole time! |
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Post by bookworm1225 on Dec 10, 2014 14:24:21 GMT
George had probably been an acting detective from the start. However I think as William had been away for so long Mr. B may have been considering promoting him to 'permanent' acting detective and needed Giles permission to do that as it probably meant a pay raise. In the past he's been a temporary acting detective for a single case so no need to ask permission. Maybe "Toronto the Good" had not had any murders that whole time! That could be it, too. Just like Cabot Cove - quiet little place until Jessica Fletcher arrived. *grin* |
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Post by lea on Aug 4, 2015 1:45:20 GMT
Another ep a day! Can't believe I'm at season 5 already! 1. Giles is so horrible. I  hope he's enjoying prison 2. I can't decide if I'm surprised or not that William took at least one suit with him. Of course he can't do any detecting without it! I wonder how long it would have taken for him to come back into his own and be in his suit again without that murder falling into his lap. 3. The filtering of flashbacks are staying true for season 5 (so far  ). 4. Towards the end when William is taking off back to Toronto he's wearing both his suit on and his clothes he wore in the mountains. I suppose that's to symbolize William is coming back different. A combination of who he was and who has become since he took his leave of absence. 5. Julia definitely knew William had been there. I think this was turning out to be as hard on her as it was on him and she had nowhere to go to so she could sort out how she felt. She had to go back home to her passionless marriage every night  |
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Post by snacky on Aug 4, 2015 6:57:57 GMT
2. I can't decide if I'm surprised or not that William took at least one suit with him. Of course he can't do any detecting without it! I wonder how long it would have taken for him to come back into his own and be in his suit again without that murder falling into his lap. 4. Towards the end when William is taking off back to Toronto he's wearing both his suit on and his clothes he wore in the mountains. I suppose that's to symbolize William is coming back different. A combination of who he was and who has become since he took his leave of absence. 5. Julia definitely knew William had been there. I think this was turning out to be as hard on her as it was on him and she had nowhere to go to so she could sort out how she felt. She had to go back home to her passionless marriage every night The suit may be hand-me-down from what's her name's husband who died. As for the hat, we all know it is a magic hat so it may have just appeared. This has been discussed before.  Interesting observation about William arriving in Toronto a "new man": I agree with the use of clothes symbolism on MM, and MM tends to pay very close attention to that. I'll have to keep that in mind the next time I watch the ep. There's a missing fanfic about Julia's thoughts on what happened to William after he went on his suspension/hiatus and whether she knew he attempted to turn in his badge during that time. Also Victorian's had very different thoughts about women's virtue/sexuality than we do today. Even though Julia wasn't a virgin, it must have been inherently stressful for William to think of Julia being "husbanded" by another man (re: Victor/Victorian). William also came close to expressing these feelings in The Kissing Bandit when he talks about not being able to "arouse the passions" of the woman one loves. He obviously assumes Darcy is able to do that for Julia while he cannot. Too bad he wasn't in on that Bloodlust fantasy! |
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Post by Hodge on Aug 4, 2015 13:23:44 GMT
2. I can't decide if I'm surprised or not that William took at least one suit with him. Of course he can't do any detecting without it! I wonder how long it would have taken for him to come back into his own and be in his suit again without that murder falling into his lap. 4. Towards the end when William is taking off back to Toronto he's wearing both his suit on and his clothes he wore in the mountains. I suppose that's to symbolize William is coming back different. A combination of who he was and who has become since he took his leave of absence. 5. Julia definitely knew William had been there. I think this was turning out to be as hard on her as it was on him and she had nowhere to go to so she could sort out how she felt. She had to go back home to her passionless marriage every night The suit may be hand-me-down from what's her name's husband who died. As for the hat, we all know it is a magic hat so it may have just appeared. This has been discussed before. Interesting observation about William arriving in Toronto a "new man": I agree with the use of clothes symbolism on MM, and MM tends to pay very close attention to that. I'll have to keep that in mind the next time I watch the ep. There's a missing fanfic about Julia's thoughts on what happened to William after he went on his suspension/hiatus and whether she knew he attempted to turn in his badge during that time. Also Victorian's had very different thoughts about women's virtue/sexuality than we do today. Even though Julia wasn't a virgin, it must have been inherently stressful for William to think of Julia being "husbanded" by another man (re: Victor/Victorian). William also came close to expressing these feelings in The Kissing Bandit when he talks about not being able to "arouse the passions" of the woman one loves. He obviously assumes Darcy is able to do that for Julia while he cannot. Too bad he wasn't in on that Bloodlust fantasy! I remember seeing someone comment about that somewhere and YB said he wore the suit going out there. He did have his valise so he probably took his Yukon clothing with him and left his suit in the valise along with his hat. Must have been a big valise! Missing fanfic, is that a challenge? I've been looking for another story idea but can't do anything for at least a week as it's Murdoch Week in Ontario! Several Murdochian things planned for the week culminating in the MME. "Passions were aroused by a complete stranger" was an interesting turn of phrase and as usual would have been used deliberately and it does suggest sexual arousal. William must have been devastated by the thought that he couldn't arouse Julia's passions. That whole scene is hard for me to watch as William is so obviously seeing himself in the same situation. |
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Post by Oigirl on Aug 4, 2015 14:43:52 GMT
This is also known to me as George's 2nd bro hug lol. I recently read an interesting article about the change in relationships between men from the 19th century until mid-20th century, as evidenced by pictures. Apparently men were much more affectionate with each other - in their examples, men were holding hands, sitting on each others laps, etc. As I read this, I thought about what would happen if a period piece like MM tried to depict these relationships lol. I had a vision of FB comments decrying homosexual behaviors and swearing off of the show because no normal men would act like that.
I also remember at least one episode of the Jeremy Brett Sherlock series where he and Watson walked down a street arm and arm. I read a lot of 19th century fiction and that was completely normal. Perhaps George could try that one!
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Post by lea on Aug 4, 2015 15:05:23 GMT
This is also known to me as George's 2nd bro hug lol. I recently read an interesting article about the change in relationships between men from the 19th century until mid-20th century, as evidenced by pictures. Apparently men were much more affectionate with each other - in their examples, men were holding hands, sitting on each others laps, etc. As I read this, I thought about what would happen if a period piece like MM tried to depict these relationships lol. I had a vision of FB comments decrying homosexual behaviors and swearing off of the show because no normal men would act like that. I also remember at least one episode of the Jeremy Brett Sherlock series where he and Watson walked down a street arm and arm. I read a lot of 19th century fiction and that was completely normal. Perhaps George could try that one! It would be easier for me to gravitate to my natural habitat of slash shipping so I'm all for that |
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Post by lea on Aug 4, 2015 15:14:03 GMT
The suit may be hand-me-down from what's her name's husband who died. As for the hat, we all know it is a magic hat so it may have just appeared. This has been discussed before. Interesting observation about William arriving in Toronto a "new man": I agree with the use of clothes symbolism on MM, and MM tends to pay very close attention to that. I'll have to keep that in mind the next time I watch the ep. There's a missing fanfic about Julia's thoughts on what happened to William after he went on his suspension/hiatus and whether she knew he attempted to turn in his badge during that time. Also Victorian's had very different thoughts about women's virtue/sexuality than we do today. Even though Julia wasn't a virgin, it must have been inherently stressful for William to think of Julia being "husbanded" by another man (re: Victor/Victorian). William also came close to expressing these feelings in The Kissing Bandit when he talks about not being able to "arouse the passions" of the woman one loves. He obviously assumes Darcy is able to do that for Julia while he cannot. Too bad he wasn't in on that Bloodlust fantasy! I remember seeing someone comment about that somewhere and YB said he wore the suit going out there. He did have his valise so he probably took his Yukon clothing with him and left his suit in the valise along with his hat. Must have been a big valise! Missing fanfic, is that a challenge? I've been looking for another story idea but can't do anything for at least a week as it's Murdoch Week in Ontario! Several Murdochian things planned for the week culminating in the MME. "Passions were aroused by a complete stranger" was an interesting turn of phrase and as usual would have been used deliberately and it does suggest sexual arousal. William must have been devastated by the fact that he couldn't arouse Julia's passions. That whole scene is hard for me to watch as William is so obviously seeing himself in the same situation. That is a challenge! I would be as happy as a pig in its own filth to have someone write a fic about this! |
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Post by snacky on Aug 4, 2015 16:39:24 GMT
This is also known to me as George's 2nd bro hug lol. I recently read an interesting article about the change in relationships between men from the 19th century until mid-20th century, as evidenced by pictures. Apparently men were much more affectionate with each other - in their examples, men were holding hands, sitting on each others laps, etc. As I read this, I thought about what would happen if a period piece like MM tried to depict these relationships lol. I had a vision of FB comments decrying homosexual behaviors and swearing off of the show because no normal men would act like that. I also remember at least one episode of the Jeremy Brett Sherlock series where he and Watson walked down a street arm and arm. I read a lot of 19th century fiction and that was completely normal. Perhaps George could try that one! Wow documented "bro hugs" - that should be in the Super Geeky Guidebook! Let me know if you find a link to that article! Interesting that those relationships were depicted by artists: that means there must have been some ancient and/or celebrity model that they were echoing since there was also the big backlash to the whole Oscar Wilde culture... |
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Post by snacky on Aug 4, 2015 16:44:45 GMT
Missing fanfic, is that a challenge? I've been looking for another story idea but can't do anything for at least a week as it's Murdoch Week in Ontario! Several Murdochian things planned for the week culminating in the MME. "Passions were aroused by a complete stranger" was an interesting turn of phrase and as usual would have been used deliberately and it does suggest sexual arousal. William must have been devastated by the thought that he couldn't arouse Julia's passions. That whole scene is hard for me to watch as William is so obviously seeing himself in the same situation. Now that I think about it, I wonder if Julia's previous sexual experience meant that William was expecting more than he got whereas Julia wasn't giving the milk the for free. William interpreted Julia's boundaries and his failure to arouse her passions since other men had gotten past her boundaries. He may have just assumed that Darcy did, too. Whereas Darcy may have just played the whole aristocratic game and proposed to Julia as a "virgin" (perhaps he didn't even know about the abortion - didn't she wear white at the wedding?). |
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Post by snacky on Aug 4, 2015 16:51:09 GMT
Missing fanfic, is that a challenge? I've been looking for another story idea but can't do anything for at least a week as it's Murdoch Week in Ontario! Several Murdochian things planned for the week culminating in the MME. That is a challenge! I would be as happy as a pig in its own filth to have someone write a fic about this! The MME should start including a speedfic writing contest (with judges). (Maybe this will finally result in a demand for a real archive - hint, hint.) |
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Post by lea on Aug 4, 2015 17:20:25 GMT
That is a challenge! I would be as happy as a pig in its own filth to have someone write a fic about this! The MME should start including a speedfic writing contest (with judges). (Maybe this will finally result in a demand for a real archive - hint, hint.) That would be really nice |
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Post by Oigirl on Aug 4, 2015 19:26:36 GMT
This is also known to me as George's 2nd bro hug lol. I recently read an interesting article about the change in relationships between men from the 19th century until mid-20th century, as evidenced by pictures. Apparently men were much more affectionate with each other - in their examples, men were holding hands, sitting on each others laps, etc. As I read this, I thought about what would happen if a period piece like MM tried to depict these relationships lol. I had a vision of FB comments decrying homosexual behaviors and swearing off of the show because no normal men would act like that. I also remember at least one episode of the Jeremy Brett Sherlock series where he and Watson walked down a street arm and arm. I read a lot of 19th century fiction and that was completely normal. Perhaps George could try that one! Wow documented "bro hugs" - that should be in the Super Geeky Guidebook! Let me know if you find a link to that article! Interesting that those relationships were depicted by artists: that means there must have been some ancient and/or celebrity model that they were echoing since there was also the big backlash to the whole Oscar Wilde culture... Should have said photographs instead of pictures - sorry my bad. I think this is the link www.artofmanliness.com/2012/07/29/bosom-buddies-a-photo-history-of-male-affection/ |
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Post by lea on Aug 4, 2015 19:41:36 GMT
Missing fanfic, is that a challenge? I've been looking for another story idea but can't do anything for at least a week as it's Murdoch Week in Ontario! Several Murdochian things planned for the week culminating in the MME. "Passions were aroused by a complete stranger" was an interesting turn of phrase and as usual would have been used deliberately and it does suggest sexual arousal. William must have been devastated by the thought that he couldn't arouse Julia's passions. That whole scene is hard for me to watch as William is so obviously seeing himself in the same situation. Now that I think about it, I wonder if Julia's previous sexual experience meant that William was expecting more than he got whereas Julia wasn't giving the milk the for free. William interpreted Julia's boundaries and his failure to arouse her passions since other men had gotten past her boundaries. He may have just assumed that Darcy did, too. Whereas Darcy may have just played the whole aristocratic game and proposed to Julia as a "virgin" (perhaps he didn't even know about the abortion - didn't she wear white at the wedding?). I am now very curious if Darcy was aware of her abortion. I suppose she only told him if she had to and would that have come up? At some point he obviously knew she was sterile and I wonder how that conversation went. This has really given me some food for thought on whether or not they had waited to be married or not. If they hadn't I suppose William could have just assumed he wasn't as good as Darcy. Or as you pointed out perhaps he thought Julia wasn't allowing him to go that far with her but was with others such as Darcy. Her wanting prophylactics in TGM could have been seen as an excuse to say no. |
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