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Post by snacky on Dec 7, 2014 22:12:13 GMT
I think Julia does understand why William did what he did, but she's still afraid of rejection, and partly cuts him off because she's terrified of the truth and partly because she's afraid that it'll undermine her marriage to Darcy-this was still their honeymoon phase, and she hadn't called it quits just yet. I agree she was trying to avoid an affair as well, yet that's what the two of them end up doing in the end anyway. It became a commentary on how being honorable has disastrous results, I think. How can she know? Julia wrote that note because she was afraid William's feelings had changed. He didn't respond to the note. That should confirm her thoughts/fears on the subject. The fact he's flirting with her again might just confirm in her mind that he's an unreliable cad that doesn't know what he wants.  |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 7, 2014 22:41:08 GMT
In another thread I have started to wonder what Julia thought of the fact that William not only didn't stop her wedding (indicating his feelings had waned for her after all) but that he immediately fled Toronto after her wedding - perhaps never to return. How did she interpret that? If William didn't care for her at all, then the wedding should have meant nothing, and he should have stayed in Toronto. Or perhaps she figured it was all about Constance Gardner and didn't think she was even part of what was going on with William. Yet in Back and to the Left, she not only feels the sparks are flying between her and William: she presumes William is feeling what she is feeling, and those feelings are strong enough that she has to step away before she starts reforming a bond with William and regretting her (passionless) marriage. When William came back from the Klondike one of the first things he did was go and see her in the morgue. Though he didn't speak to her she knew he was there as she saw him in the glass. This is the sign that William is still interested in her so by the time Back and to the Left comes around she knows how he feels and she's obviously trying to just be professional with him however she must feel she's failing as she needs to leave. Actually she intended leaving before he came back which would suggest that she was having a problem about working him again even as she embarks on a new marriage and she hasn't even seen him again yet. William has shown a great deal of restraint the previous months whilst seeing Julia often, it would seem that Julia doesn't have the same amount of restraint as him and doesn't trust herself. I also think that what Ruby said about William being a good man that won't say anything no matter how much it hurts him hit home with some force. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 8, 2014 4:34:25 GMT
When William came back from the Klondike one of the first things he did was go and see her in the morgue. Though he didn't speak to her she knew he was there as she saw him in the glass. This is the sign that William is still interested in her so by the time Back and to the Left comes around she knows how he feels and she's obviously trying to just be professional with him however she must feel she's failing as she needs to leave. Actually she intended leaving before he came back which would suggest that she was having a problem about working him again even as she embarks on a new marriage and she hasn't even seen him again yet. William has shown a great deal of restraint the previous months whilst seeing Julia often, it would seem that Julia doesn't have the same amount of restraint as him and doesn't trust herself. I also think that what Ruby said about William being a good man that won't say anything no matter how much it hurts him hit home with some force. Did Julia actually see William in the glass? I thought she just got a sort of psychic shiver. I think you're right about Ruby, though after knowing William for years, it's almost ludicrous that Julia needed Ruby to spell that aspect of William's personality out for her.  It could be that Julia finally realized that while William thinks he needs to work with Julia to solve his cases, it's also torturing him to work with her. She's trying to break the cycle.  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 8, 2014 4:45:11 GMT
When William came back from the Klondike one of the first things he did was go and see her in the morgue. Though he didn't speak to her she knew he was there as she saw him in the glass. This is the sign that William is still interested in her so by the time Back and to the Left comes around she knows how he feels and she's obviously trying to just be professional with him however she must feel she's failing as she needs to leave. Actually she intended leaving before he came back which would suggest that she was having a problem about working him again even as she embarks on a new marriage and she hasn't even seen him again yet. William has shown a great deal of restraint the previous months whilst seeing Julia often, it would seem that Julia doesn't have the same amount of restraint as him and doesn't trust herself. I also think that what Ruby said about William being a good man that won't say anything no matter how much it hurts him hit home with some force. Did Julia actually see William in the glass? I thought she just got a sort of psychic shiver. I think you're right about Ruby, though after knowing William for years, it's almost ludicrous that Julia needed Ruby to spell that aspect of William's personality out for her. It could be that Julia finally realized that while William thinks he needs to work with Julia to solve his cases, it's also torturing him to work with her. She's trying to break the cycle. Pretty sure she sees him in a reflection and by the time she works up the courage to turn around, he's gone. Julia can be pretty obtuse too. |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 8, 2014 5:41:43 GMT
Did Julia actually see William in the glass? I thought she just got a sort of psychic shiver. I think you're right about Ruby, though after knowing William for years, it's almost ludicrous that Julia needed Ruby to spell that aspect of William's personality out for her. It could be that Julia finally realized that while William thinks he needs to work with Julia to solve his cases, it's also torturing him to work with her. She's trying to break the cycle. Pretty sure she sees him in a reflection and by the time she works up the courage to turn around, he's gone. Julia can be pretty obtuse too. Exactly! |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 8, 2014 5:43:18 GMT
When William came back from the Klondike one of the first things he did was go and see her in the morgue. Though he didn't speak to her she knew he was there as she saw him in the glass. This is the sign that William is still interested in her so by the time Back and to the Left comes around she knows how he feels and she's obviously trying to just be professional with him however she must feel she's failing as she needs to leave. Actually she intended leaving before he came back which would suggest that she was having a problem about working him again even as she embarks on a new marriage and she hasn't even seen him again yet. William has shown a great deal of restraint the previous months whilst seeing Julia often, it would seem that Julia doesn't have the same amount of restraint as him and doesn't trust herself. I also think that what Ruby said about William being a good man that won't say anything no matter how much it hurts him hit home with some force. Did Julia actually see William in the glass? I thought she just got a sort of psychic shiver. I think you missed the whole point of that scene....  |
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Post by snacky on Dec 8, 2014 6:09:08 GMT
Pretty sure she sees him in a reflection and by the time she works up the courage to turn around, he's gone. Julia can be pretty obtuse too. I noticed that Julia completely pretends to be seeing William for the first time in Back and to the Left, so not much time has gone by. It seems William did return in July. But now the timeline for George is driving me crazy. Why wasn't he taking on cases and learning to "manage" Henry during all that time...? |
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Post by snacky on Dec 8, 2014 6:12:09 GMT
Did Julia actually see William in the glass? I thought she just got a sort of psychic shiver. I think you missed the whole point of that scene.... Yes, apparently I have to watch it again. I always thought Julia "sensed" William, but looked up too late. But you guys are saying she saw William's reflection but took too long to get her act together to face him... But what does one say to the guy who you invited to let you know if he still had feelings for you (but he failed to follow through, so apparently does not) and who then vanished for 6 months? Awkwaaaaaaaaard! |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 8, 2014 6:36:10 GMT
I think you missed the whole point of that scene.... Yes, apparently I have to watch it again. I always thought Julia "sensed" William, but looked up too late. But you guys are saying she saw William's reflection but took too long to get her act together to face him... But what does one say to the guy who you invited to let you know if he still had feelings for you (but he failed to follow through, so apparently does not) and who then vanished for 6 months? Awkwaaaaaaaaard! I took it more that he walked away before she could get her act together to face him. He just wanted to see her, not necessarily talk to her at that point. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 8, 2014 7:29:59 GMT
Yes, apparently I have to watch it again. I always thought Julia "sensed" William, but looked up too late. But you guys are saying she saw William's reflection but took too long to get her act together to face him... But what does one say to the guy who you invited to let you know if he still had feelings for you (but he failed to follow through, so apparently does not) and who then vanished for 6 months? Awkwaaaaaaaaard! I took it more that he walked away before she could get her act together to face him. He just wanted to see her, not necessarily talk to her at that point. I wonder if he was checking her out to see if she had any post-marital glow. (Still sizing himself up against Darcy...) |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 8, 2014 15:38:10 GMT
I took it more that he walked away before she could get her act together to face him. He just wanted to see her, not necessarily talk to her at that point. I wonder if he was checking her out to see if she had any post-marital glow. (Still sizing himself up against Darcy...) He hadn't seen her for months, he needed his fix but didn't have the courage to face her yet. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 8, 2014 16:21:31 GMT
I wonder if he was checking her out to see if she had any post-marital glow. (Still sizing himself up against Darcy...) He hadn't seen her for months, he needed his fix but didn't have the courage to face her yet. Didn't mean to give short shrift to that. You know what a fan of angst I am! |
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Post by bookworm1225 on Dec 9, 2014 13:09:38 GMT
Pretty sure she sees him in a reflection and by the time she works up the courage to turn around, he's gone. Julia can be pretty obtuse too. I noticed that Julia completely pretends to be seeing William for the first time in Back and to the Left, so not much time has gone by. It seems William did return in July. But now the timeline for George is driving me crazy. Why wasn't he taking on cases and learning to "manage" Henry during all that time...? Well, here are a few possibilities. Could be one of these, or a combination (or, of course, none of the below): 1) No one knew how long Murdoch would be gone, so Station 4 was having detectives from other station houses handle things... until they realized this situation could last for quite some time. 2) George might have been investigating other types of crimes/incidents, and detectives from other station houses handled the murder cases. 3) It might have taken George this long to convince Brackenreid to let him handle the investigations. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 9, 2014 15:04:42 GMT
I noticed that Julia completely pretends to be seeing William for the first time in Back and to the Left, so not much time has gone by. It seems William did return in July. But now the timeline for George is driving me crazy. Why wasn't he taking on cases and learning to "manage" Henry during all that time...? Well, here are a few possibilities. Could be one of these, or a combination (or, of course, none of the below): 1) No one knew how long Murdoch would be gone, so Station 4 was having detectives from other station houses handle things... until they realized this situation could last for quite some time. 2) George might have been investigating other types of crimes/incidents, and detectives from other station houses handled the murder cases. 3) It might have taken George this long to convince Brackenreid to let him handle the investigations. you so smart. me feel dumb. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 9, 2014 17:30:29 GMT
Well, here are a few possibilities. Could be one of these, or a combination (or, of course, none of the below): 1) No one knew how long Murdoch would be gone, so Station 4 was having detectives from other station houses handle things... until they realized this situation could last for quite some time. 2) George might have been investigating other types of crimes/incidents, and detectives from other station houses handled the murder cases. 3) It might have taken George this long to convince Brackenreid to let him handle the investigations. 1 and 3 are probably possible, especially since Giles was there checking on the status of things. But George sure got his plants in their fast!  |
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