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Post by shangas on Apr 13, 2012 12:12:25 GMT
Fascinating as your theory is, Hannakin, as was explained in another thread, Canada did not have no-fault divorce at the time.
For Darcy and/or Julia to get a divorce, one would either have to prove extreme cruelty, an inability to consummate the marriage, or adultery, either of which would require the services of an unbiased, independent, third party (traditionally a private detective). They're both doctors, so there's no way that Darcy could marry Julia and NOT know that she can't have kids, so that's automatically struck off. That leaves the other two alternatives, neither of which are particularly tasteful.
Divorce by mutual agreement, while legal, I believe, in England at the time, was not lawful in Canada.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 13, 2012 12:32:45 GMT
I haven't had my computer much the last few days so I haven't been able to post my thoughts on the episode. Basically, it was great. I'm trying to figure out if Lucille was sort of like Joe Bell was in The Black Hand. Not for a double coffin again but just as a way to draw Anna out. The Black Hand probably already knew she was in the area and they may have used Lucille's death as a way to get Anna's exact location. Esp since the guy was watching her. Of course, since he saw in the tavern, possibly separately, Lucille's murder could be unrelated to Anna, too. I think William got there I time to throw Anna on the ground and save her. That scene was very intense with Anna running through the stacks. It was great to see Julia again and there will def be tension with Darcy even more than already. He prioritized his career goals over hers. I was sort of surprised she backed down and I think she will regret doing that and resent that he asked her to. He made it sound like when he became head of the hospital they could change things from the inside. But once he's part of the machine, he probably won't. Not enough for Julia to accept anyway. That will cause some break down of their marriage. However, something will have to be pretty dramatic for it to end. If Darcy thinks Julia is seriously threatening his career, he may get upset enough to get a divorce. He'd really have to be pushed to the limit though. I think Emily will take the lead on the contraceptives cause and Julia will join her again at some point this season. Anyway, even though I am a W/J fan, I like him with Anna a lot, too. They were cute together and I enjoyed the teasing, too. Who knows what will happen in the next episode with Anna now that the Black Hand has found her though. The tattoo thing was interesting. I have one myself so I have to laugh at the implications it used to have. Can't wait for next week!  There are exactly my thoughts too Hannikan and it will make sense this time that Julia is rejected and not the other way round. As u said Darcy will b mad if she continues her fight for emancipation behind his back but I think she will help Emily who is as determined as Julia with her principles. Emily will find herself in trouble and Julia will help her coz she thinks she is responsible as she came up with the idea. I truly hope we are right on that because it will make great TV and will open an interesting subject. Did u find it interesting too when both Darcy and William said the same thing to Julia in the jail cell"You wont achieve anything inside a jail cel!" Seems like William and Darcy are now on the same wavelenght.So Julia did open William's eyes about abortion and emancipation at the end. I am glad she managed to do that and I think we will see some great scenes between him and her. I think this will draw them closer than ever before and their discussions on cases and modernity will b outstanding. I can't wait for part 2 and its great to speculate. |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 13, 2012 21:55:03 GMT
Yeah, I don't think William believes in her cause any more than Darcy does but I think he wouldn't have told her not to continue because he was worried about his own career. Darcy agrees with her position but he isn't willing to rock the boat because of it. In fact, William may agree with her less than Darcy but William would have accepted that this was important to her and even if he had to take some heat for it, he wouldn't have made her quit. Darcy wasn't forceful about it, commanding her to quit, like Thomas would have. But he might get that way in the future. He's pretty mild-mannered but that can always change. We'll just have to see.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 13, 2012 23:41:03 GMT
Yes, Hannikan. Its hard to speculate right because we all see different things. I try to concentrate on the speech but also the body language and facial expression and it kind of tell me that William is more open to it right now but I suppose its because William has known Julia for far longer than Darcy has. Julia is new to Darcy's world and even if she comes from a wealthy family and think that Her and William were star -crossed lovers , I dont think its true in their case. She got it wrong, that is simple as that ,according to what I saw in previous seasons. I think both William and Julia got it wrong on their relationship. They could have it all if they manage to get through their feelings and talk to one another, not only the romantic side of it but also about other stuff. Its really hard to explain but they have such a strong bond that it would a shame to put it to waste. |
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 13, 2012 23:46:12 GMT
I also think Emily will stay at the morgue because she is a strong woman and she is good to open Crabtree's eyes. She will educated him big time. The problem is : Where is Julia gonna fit??? 50/50 morgue and private practice...hummmm... not sure but she can't really go back to the morgue full time, it would be too much of a backward story at that stage!!! Dont know!!! Will have to wait as u said but I cant wait to find out. Hope the writers have something up their sleeves to make us all happy. |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 14, 2012 0:37:43 GMT
Well, I could see Julia returning to the morgue because that's part of the way the show was built. I think Emily will end up getting herself fired somehow in all this. If she stays at the morgue without Julia there, they will lose a lot of viewers. She doesn't have the professional chemistry with William and I doubt it would develop over time either. There's some chemistry with George but I just don't see her sticking around over the long term, She doesn't have the history in the morgue in the eyes of the police dept and is also more forceful about causing a public scene than Julia is. Julia didn't want to organize a protest or mass movement. She just wanted to make an individual statement. So Emily is more likely to thrown over by the constabulary. I mentioned it already but I think Julia's license has already been revoked. That would mean she couldn't work in either place, a private practice or the morgue. Somehow she's going to have to have it reinstated. She may have to swear an oath that she won't teach contraception anymore or something. I'm sure Giles will come into this at some point and then things will ratchet up a few notches. It's also possible that Julia will spend a good length of time in jail. That would allow her to be at the station, but not working there, over the long term. Her time is jail would allow for lots of time talking to William and even George and Thomas. And that could be before Emily makes her exit however that will happen. I just don't think she'll ever fill Julia's shoes in the morgue for viewers.
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Post by hannikan on Apr 14, 2012 0:38:31 GMT
Fascinating as your theory is, Hannakin, as was explained in another thread, Canada did not have no-fault divorce at the time. For Darcy and/or Julia to get a divorce, one would either have to prove extreme cruelty, an inability to consummate the marriage, or adultery, either of which would require the services of an unbiased, independent, third party (traditionally a private detective). They're both doctors, so there's no way that Darcy could marry Julia and NOT know that she can't have kids, so that's automatically struck off. That leaves the other two alternatives, neither of which are particularly tasteful. Divorce by mutual agreement, while legal, I believe, in England at the time, was not lawful in Canada. As mentioned, I wasn't suggesting no-fault divorce. I know that wasn't legal and we've talked about that before. |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 14, 2012 0:40:27 GMT
This is what I said in the part 2 thread: "It's possible if Darcy asks for the divorce. Men could divorce women for many more reasons than women could. Julia would have to be being repeatedly beaten and have witnesses to attest to it or have witnesses to attest to repeated adultery. Whereas Darcy could point to her acting "outside her sex" by entering the public realm in a political way as an advocate for contraception. This being illegal and thought to be be an abomination against God would give Darcy ample fuel for a divorce."
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Post by shangas on Apr 14, 2012 0:41:53 GMT
Julia could return to the morgue on a part-time basis. It wasn't unknown for doctors to volunteer their time at other establishments.
In the London Hospital in Whitechapel, in London, at the same time, wealthy and prominent Harley Street doctors would work part-time as volunteers at the London, when they weren't at their private, West-End practices. And the London was a charity hospital that dealt with the poorest and most unfortunate of all of London's sick and dying. Poisoning, industrial accidents, attempted suicides, malnutrition, alcoholism...it was no place for a respectable doctor to make his name, but still they volunteered their time.
No reason why Julia wouldn't set up private practice, but still work part-time at the mortuary.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 14, 2012 1:11:02 GMT
Hannakin and shangas. U have both a point there. I would prefer to see her moving on and going forward but still working at the morgue part time if thats possible but then it means that Emily will have to stay too or someone else would b hired if Emily get sacked.
Humm...Do u really think they will have Julia coming back to the morgue full time Hannakin??? They have done that before though after Buffallo shuffle so not sure they will go that route again!!
I really wonder! I would still b watching if Julia is not at the morgue but I would like to see her as much as before, and I am not sure its possible.
About the practice, I reckon that Darcy must have had something to do with it too. Does she own the building or does she only rent a room in there to pratcice. I know he is loaded with money, so I wonder if he bought her the building!!! or may be , she bought it for herself. Would b nice to know because its a great place in the middle of nowhere.
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Post by hannikan on Apr 14, 2012 2:29:59 GMT
Yeah, you both could be right but I just have a hard time seeing her not back FT at the morgue eventually (by some time in S6). No, I doubt they own the building. That wouldn't matter as far as keeping her medical license anyway. The board of physicians would be in charge of that and would prevent her from having a medical license to practice in any facility. She was teaching contraception out of their home, not a doctor's office. That was probably to prevent her fellow doctors from getting into trouble or call attention to it. She was trying to be somewhat discreet. She could try to practice without a license but then she would probably have an even harder time getting patients. She might try to have an underground practice just about family planning though. It's just very hard to imagine her not back at the morgue. It would just be hard to have her well incorporated into the stories. But they might. I know it would have been hard for her to come back and work with the police again after her arrest and the nature of her cause. But Thomas was willing to look the other way, too. Giles probably won't.
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Post by shangas on Apr 14, 2012 3:35:45 GMT
Giles is a bastard. I want to punch him.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 14, 2012 13:39:00 GMT
Hahaha, Shangas  U r probably right about Giles. If he hears about it, he probably wont turn a blind eye like Thomas is willing to. |
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Post by petunia on Apr 14, 2012 20:20:01 GMT
I thought I sould mention that I enjoyed the scene with of Julia and George together when he arrests her. We do not see enough of these two together and they are always good. One of my favourite funny scene is the "finger food" scene from "Convalescence in S2. I do hope we see more of that in S6. All of Julia's scenes are too often with William.
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Post by hannikan on Apr 15, 2012 1:04:56 GMT
Yes, I loved that with George and Julia. They are cute together because they are like a much older sister and younger brother. I like them in the Annoying Red Planet together when she baits him to come up with wilder and wilder theories.
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U r probably right about Giles. If he hears about it, he probably wont turn a blind eye like Thomas is willing to.