|
|
Post by MelodyPond101 on Dec 3, 2013 23:45:40 GMT
Emily wasn't there in this episode? I didn't even notice. XD
|
|
|
|
Post by murdochic on Dec 3, 2013 23:54:41 GMT
Emily wasn't there in this episode? I didn't even notice. XD Exactly. I only noticed she wasn't in it when Julia checked the body. Then I forgot again until the end and I realised she hadn't appeared. I didn't miss her. Julia just took her old role back. |
|
|
|
Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 4, 2013 0:21:24 GMT
Oh yeah, I do seem to recall at the very end thinking, wait, was Emily even in this? Cuz you really don't notice unless you really like that character I guess.
Also, and this is a bit pervy but is that REALLY how they did things when prisoners had to go to the loo? I mean, shouldn't George have worn gloves? Or better yet, shouldn't they have just made sure Gillies had went BEFORE the train ride started? It was only 4 hours, he shouldn't have had to go. They should have told him that he wouldn't be allowed to. And it was only like an hour into the trip. Just seemed like an excuse for an awkward situation...
|
|
|
|
Post by MelodyPond101 on Dec 4, 2013 0:31:57 GMT
Was Emily even in Republic of Murdoch? 'Cause I don't remember her...
|
|
|
|
Post by murdochic on Dec 4, 2013 0:38:30 GMT
Yes, Emily has been in all episodes this season except this one. But then Julia and Higgins (him especially) have missed episodes numerous times so it's not unheard of for characters to be skipped. I think only William, Brackenreid and George has been in every episode during their time on the show. Oh yeah, I do seem to recall at the very end thinking, wait, was Emily even in this? Cuz you really don't notice unless you really like that character I guess. Also, and this is a bit pervy but is that REALLY how they did things when prisoners had to go to the loo? I mean, shouldn't George have worn gloves? Or better yet, shouldn't they have just made sure Gillies had went BEFORE the train ride started? It was only 4 hours, he shouldn't have had to go. They should have told him that he wouldn't be allowed to. And it was only like an hour into the trip. Just seemed like an excuse for an awkward situation... It wasn't that you dislike her so didn't miss her (at least for me), it was just that Julia took her old role back and Emily wasn't needed. So I didn't really notice she was missing because there was no gap left to notice. I think they did used to have to do it like that. They didn't have health and safety rules back then so people had to do a lot of disgusting things we wouldn't have to now. Higgins was a smart guy making sure he couldn't do it lol. |
|
|
|
Post by carco on Dec 4, 2013 0:53:49 GMT
I don't think we've ever seen William or Julia hate someone as much as they do Gillies. Understandable of course. Julia is obviously traumatized by all the things he's done to her. And he's still going to do more. Poor Julia. Obviously he isn't dead. And I have no doubt she and William will continue to survive whatever is done to them. I just wish they wouldn't keep recycling that plot. Kill him off. The Gillies kiss was a bit random lol I love how Julia and even Emily can kick guys butts when they need to. They're no damsel's in distress most of the time. The writers using Julia as a stand-in for Emily for certain times is a good idea. It gives her more to do. I have to admit I didn't miss Emily in this episode, her absence wasn't felt. This was a quite a "different" episode for this show. I've had some time to digest it now so will add my thoughts. I love seeing Julia's strong side as well as her loving side. Julia has become a very rounded-out character and I love seeing different sides to her. It makes her so human. Julia was livid when she was talking to Gillies. It wasn't what she was saying to him (which was very guarded) but the non verbal message came through clearly (to us---not to Gillies). She seemed to be quivering just trying to hold back. Kudos to Helene's non-verbal acting abilities once again. She is probably more traumatized than we even knew, but I'm glad she finally did smack him hard before being pulled away by William. I was shocked that he said he wasn't through with her because until that point I thought his issue was fully with William. I guess it still is but he still can best manipulate William by using Julia as his victim. Ugh, I hate this character so much. He's so cunning. He may even be ahead of Julia in her own field. He has an uncanny ability to know exactly what makes people tick and is able to fully manipulate people based on that understanding. He totally orchestrated just about everything that happened on that train by understanding (and using to his advantage) human nature and weaknesses. Gillies' action with Murdoch on the tracks (I refuse to call that a kiss  ) was right out of left field to me at first but now I can see it a devious move on Gillies part to take control back from Murdoch and make an escape from what seemed to be a clear re-capture. I choose to refer to it in military terms: an "offensive maneuver" known as shock tactic. It worked just fine for him too. Julia's right, he's a monster who is pure evil and will stop at nothing. I suppose, one day a skeleton will be found in or by the river wearing Gillies clothes and handcuffs but with no DNA in those days, they will never know if it was Gillies or another poor soul he duped and killed. I doubt he'll be back soon...if ever, though. Many fans seem fed up with the Gillies character and story lines. |
|
|
|
Post by MelodyPond101 on Dec 4, 2013 1:11:52 GMT
I don't think we've ever seen William or Julia hate someone as much as they do Gillies. Understandable of course. Julia is obviously traumatized by all the things he's done to her. And he's still going to do more. Poor Julia. Obviously he isn't dead. And I have no doubt she and William will continue to survive whatever is done to them. I just wish they wouldn't keep recycling that plot. Kill him off. The Gillies kiss was a bit random lol I love how Julia and even Emily can kick guys butts when they need to. They're no damsel's in distress most of the time. The writers using Julia as a stand-in for Emily for certain times is a good idea. It gives her more to do. I have to admit I didn't miss Emily in this episode, her absence wasn't felt. This was a quite a "different" episode for this show. I've had some time to digest it now so will add my thoughts. I love seeing Julia's strong side as well as her loving side. Julia has become a very rounded-out character and I love seeing different sides to her. It makes her so human. Julia was livid when she was talking to Gillies. It wasn't what she was saying to him (which was very guarded) but the non verbal message came through clearly (to us---not to Gillies). She seemed to be quivering just trying to hold back. Kudos to Helene's non-verbal acting abilities once again. She is probably more traumatized than we even knew, but I'm glad she finally did smack him hard before being pulled away by William. I was shocked that he said he wasn't through with her because until that point I thought his issue was fully with William. I guess it still is but he still can best manipulate William by using Julia as his victim. Ugh, I hate this character so much. He's so cunning. He may even be ahead of Julia in her own field. He has an uncanny ability to know exactly what makes people tick and is able to fully manipulate people based on that understanding. He totally orchestrated just about everything that happened on that train by understanding (and using to his advantage) human nature and weaknesses. Gillies' action with Murdoch on the tracks (I refuse to call that a kiss ) was right out of left field to me at first but now I can see it a devious move on Gillies part to take control back from Murdoch and make an escape from what seemed to be a clear re-capture. I choose to refer to it in military terms: an "offensive maneuver" known as shock tactic. It worked just fine for him too. Julia's right, he's a monster who is pure evil and will stop at nothing. I suppose, one day a skeleton will be found in or by the river wearing Gillies clothes and handcuffs but with no DNA in those days, they will never know if it was Gillies or another poor soul he duped and killed. I doubt he'll be back soon...if ever, though. Many fans seem fed up with the Gillies character and story lines. I've noticed that about Gillies, too. His games are played entirely in his head. He has this ability to know what makes people tick, and how to manipulate them, but he doesn't understand much of what goes on in people's heads, though he knows well how to use what he knows. For example, he knows that Julia is William's biggest weakness, a target from which he can torment and strike at him indirectly.... but he doesn't understand why William loves her; doesn't understand love at all. That's his tit for tat, I suppose- every good characters has weaknesses on par with their strengths. For example, Sherlock (I'm talking BBC Sherlock here) is extremely intelligent, but he lacks empathy. So Gillies can see clearly into people's heads; he can see and infer and exploit things that other people cannot.... but he doesn't experience said emotions himself, and cannot grasp the concepts. I have to agree about Gillies and Murdoch's 'action'. It's highly possible that Gillies is gay, and possibly even feels attraction toward Murdoch- but that kiss was clearly a shock tactic. He's quick-minded and intelligent. When Gillies was pinned against the tracks, he knew it was game over. He also knew that he'd have to do something extremely shocking to faze Murdoch, who knows Gillies' ways and is not easily dispositioned. He clicked on to a solution, and it was do or die for him. As you said, it worked well. There's no way he feels anything for Murdoch. |
|
|
|
Post by murdochic on Dec 4, 2013 2:56:14 GMT
I don't think we've ever seen William or Julia hate someone as much as they do Gillies. Understandable of course. Julia is obviously traumatized by all the things he's done to her. And he's still going to do more. Poor Julia. Obviously he isn't dead. And I have no doubt she and William will continue to survive whatever is done to them. I just wish they wouldn't keep recycling that plot. Kill him off. The Gillies kiss was a bit random lol I love how Julia and even Emily can kick guys butts when they need to. They're no damsel's in distress most of the time. The writers using Julia as a stand-in for Emily for certain times is a good idea. It gives her more to do. I have to admit I didn't miss Emily in this episode, her absence wasn't felt. This was a quite a "different" episode for this show. I've had some time to digest it now so will add my thoughts. I love seeing Julia's strong side as well as her loving side. Julia has become a very rounded-out character and I love seeing different sides to her. It makes her so human. Julia was livid when she was talking to Gillies. It wasn't what she was saying to him (which was very guarded) but the non verbal message came through clearly (to us---not to Gillies). She seemed to be quivering just trying to hold back. Kudos to Helene's non-verbal acting abilities once again. She is probably more traumatized than we even knew, but I'm glad she finally did smack him hard before being pulled away by William. I was shocked that he said he wasn't through with her because until that point I thought his issue was fully with William. I guess it still is but he still can best manipulate William by using Julia as his victim. Ugh, I hate this character so much. He's so cunning. He may even be ahead of Julia in her own field. He has an uncanny ability to know exactly what makes people tick and is able to fully manipulate people based on that understanding. He totally orchestrated just about everything that happened on that train by understanding (and using to his advantage) human nature and weaknesses. Gillies' action with Murdoch on the tracks (I refuse to call that a kiss ) was right out of left field to me at first but now I can see it a devious move on Gillies part to take control back from Murdoch and make an escape from what seemed to be a clear re-capture. I choose to refer to it in military terms: an "offensive maneuver" known as shock tactic. It worked just fine for him too. Julia's right, he's a monster who is pure evil and will stop at nothing. I suppose, one day a skeleton will be found in or by the river wearing Gillies clothes and handcuffs but with no DNA in those days, they will never know if it was Gillies or another poor soul he duped and killed. I doubt he'll be back soon...if ever, though. Many fans seem fed up with the Gillies character and story lines. It was good to see just how much it had effected Julia. Gillies has put her through so much over the last two seasons. You can't come out without emotional scars. Same with William who also looked very angry when talking to Gillies. The man is a psychopathic genius. The worst possible combination. As for the kiss it was clearly to rattle William in hopes of mocking him and distracting him. Sadly they've implied Gillies will continue as a villain. Which is why I knew he wouldn't hang and he would escape. He isn't dead and I'd be shocked if he doesn't come back later this season or the next (if there is one). |
|
|
|
Post by carolion on Dec 4, 2013 4:54:14 GMT
Both of the scenes between Julia/Gilles and Murdoch/Gillies were so tense and kudos to all of them for brilliant acting.
|
|
|
|
Post by shangas on Dec 4, 2013 7:30:53 GMT
Also, and this is a bit pervy but is that REALLY how they did things when prisoners had to go to the loo? I mean, shouldn't George have worn gloves? Or better yet, shouldn't they have just made sure Gillies had went BEFORE the train ride started? It was only 4 hours, he shouldn't have had to go. They should have told him that he wouldn't be allowed to. And it was only like an hour into the trip. Just seemed like an excuse for an awkward situation...
...I think they did used to have to do it like that. They didn't have health and safety rules back then so people had to do a lot of disgusting things we wouldn't have to now. Higgins was a smart guy making sure he couldn't do it lol.
You're talking about 1902, here. This is an era when most doctors didn't bother wearing gloves before executing some manner of major operation. That said, what do you expect them to wear? Cheap, throwaway rubber gloves did not exist in 1902. And this kind of stuff went on a lot longer than you might expect.
The aunt of a friend of mine used to be a nurse in a country-town hospital back in the 50s, or something. Part of her duties was to shave male patients. These were mental patients, or patients with manual disabilities. People who couldn't shave themselves. So she had to do it. Bare-handed. using a cutthroat-razor and a strop. Extremely dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. But that's how it was done.
Modern OH&S is VERY modern. In most countries, such concepts are only about 20 years old, if that.
|
|
|
|
Post by RoseDeVersailles on Dec 4, 2013 20:53:55 GMT
I really hope that James Gillies is dead, after all he was handcuffed, and I don't think it's easy to swim with handcuffs around the wrists.
This James Gillies story is getting boring, it turns like the Young and the Restless/Bold and Beautiful with Sheila Carter who was killed after more than 20 years.
I'm very scared that Gillies come back and kill William and Julia.
|
|
|
|
Post by murdochic on Dec 4, 2013 22:59:04 GMT
I really hope that James Gillies is dead, after all he was handcuffed, and I don't think it's easy to swim with handcuffs around the wrists. This James Gillies story is getting boring, it turns like the Young and the Restless/Bold and Beautiful with Sheila Carter who was killed after more than 20 years. I'm very scared that Gillies come back and kill William and Julia. He likely is coming back or the door is left open. They've already implied it. They'd never kill off Murdoch, you can't have the show without him. They'd also not kill off Julia, not unless the actress wanted to leave. |
|
|
|
Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 4, 2013 23:20:59 GMT
Well, they did want to get rid of Julia at one point...but the audience reaction was so negative that they didn't.
|
|
|
|
Post by carco on Dec 5, 2013 0:11:06 GMT
"It was good to see just how much it had effected Julia. Gillies has put her through so much over the last two seasons. You can't come out without emotional scars. Same with William who also looked very angry when talking to Gillies.
The man is a psychopathic genius. The worst possible combination. As for the kiss it was clearly to rattle William in hopes of mocking him and distracting him.
Sadly they've implied Gillies will continue as a villain. Which is why I knew he wouldn't hang and he would escape. He isn't dead and I'd be shocked if he doesn't come back later this season or the next (if there is one).
"
I agree, murdochic, it was time for us to know just how the whole thing with Gillies affected Julia. Way back, we heard the brief mention of trouble sleeping after being buried alive but for the rest of it all we knew was that she continued to feel guilt over Darcy's death and that her relationship with William was stalled as a result. William has his own demons to deal with in regards to all that Gillies has done. It's tougher for me to relate to William because he keeps so much inside. No doubt he is agonizing over all of this too....on a personal level as well as on a policing level.
I was so shocked by the kiss that I failed to remember that immediately afterwards, Gillies cuffed William in the face with his two handcuffed hands...creep.
Even though we may not see him ever again, I think W and J will forever be thinking that he could be out there somewhere and that could be Gillies's final never-ending mind game for them.
|
|
|
|
Post by murdochic on Dec 5, 2013 1:52:34 GMT
I don't don't Gillies will be back if there's enough time for it. But eitherway, I agree with you, he's someone W/J will always be fearing. Well, they did want to get rid of Julia at one point...but the audience reaction was so negative that they didn't. They didn't get rid of Julia. Helene was doing two shows at once so the schedules clashed, that's why Julia was in only about half of S4. The producers/writers didn't choose it that way, they had to work around when they could get Helene. They'd never get rid of Julia, she is a massive part of the show and W/J are a big reason why it's still so popular after seven seasons. They also wouldn't get rid of George. The only way either would leave before the show ended would be if the actors quit. |
|
) was right out of left field to me at first but now I can see it a devious move on Gillies part to take control back from Murdoch and make an escape from what seemed to be a clear re-capture. I choose to refer to it in military terms: an "offensive maneuver" known as shock tactic. It worked just fine for him too. Julia's right, he's a monster who is pure evil and will stop at nothing. 
Jan 30, 2013 21:44:55 GMT
Jan 30, 2013 21:44:55 GMT