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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 5, 2013 4:07:09 GMT
I don't don't Gillies will be back if there's enough time for it. But eitherway, I agree with you, he's someone W/J will always be fearing. Well, they did want to get rid of Julia at one point...but the audience reaction was so negative that they didn't. They didn't get rid of Julia. Helene was doing two shows at once so the schedules clashed, that's why Julia was in only about half of S4. The producers/writers didn't choose it that way, they had to work around when they could get Helene. They'd never get rid of Julia, she is a massive part of the show and W/J are a big reason why it's still so popular after seven seasons. They also wouldn't get rid of George. The only way either would leave before the show ended would be if the actors quit. Actually, they WERE planning to write her out of the show. That's why she married Darcy... Helene was doing the other show BECAUSE they had intended to get rid of her character...but then they changed their minds after filming the S4 finale. That's why her schedules clashed. That's why she was barely in season 5. |
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Post by murdochic on Dec 5, 2013 11:53:23 GMT
I don't don't Gillies will be back if there's enough time for it. But eitherway, I agree with you, he's someone W/J will always be fearing. They didn't get rid of Julia. Helene was doing two shows at once so the schedules clashed, that's why Julia was in only about half of S4. The producers/writers didn't choose it that way, they had to work around when they could get Helene. They'd never get rid of Julia, she is a massive part of the show and W/J are a big reason why it's still so popular after seven seasons. They also wouldn't get rid of George. The only way either would leave before the show ended would be if the actors quit. Actually, they WERE planning to write her out of the show. That's why she married Darcy... Helene was doing the other show BECAUSE they had intended to get rid of her character...but then they changed their minds after filming the S4 finale. That's why her schedules clashed. That's why she was barely in season 5. I'm sorry but that's not true. I've never heard that claim and it contradicts what I've always heard on MM fan sites from people who had inside info on the show. Helene had been doing other shows from the beginning, she didn't suddenly start doing that because MM were going to write her out. It just happened that they had to juggle her S5 because of schedules clashing. They thought S5 was going to be the last one for MM. That's why they did the happy ending in the finale in case it wasn't. They weren't considering axing Julia, because it wasn't necessary if the show may have been ending. I don't believe for a second they were going to write her out, not unless the actress quit, which she didn't. |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Dec 5, 2013 13:06:09 GMT
I don't know... is there a source of information that proves Julia was to be written out? I'm curious, because I've heard both sides of the story/
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 6, 2013 1:02:52 GMT
Actually, they WERE planning to write her out of the show. That's why she married Darcy... Helene was doing the other show BECAUSE they had intended to get rid of her character...but then they changed their minds after filming the S4 finale. That's why her schedules clashed. That's why she was barely in season 5. I'm sorry but that's not true. I've never heard that claim and it contradicts what I've always heard on MM fan sites from people who had inside info on the show. Helene had been doing other shows from the beginning, she didn't suddenly start doing that because MM were going to write her out. It just happened that they had to juggle her S5 because of schedules clashing. They thought S5 was going to be the last one for MM. That's why they did the happy ending in the finale in case it wasn't. They weren't considering axing Julia, because it wasn't necessary if the show may have been ending. I don't believe for a second they were going to write her out, not unless the actress quit, which she didn't. There was a part of my brain that was sure I was right yesterday...but you seem really sure too and I don't actually have any evidence...so I'm afraid this comment is fairly useless. |
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Post by murdochic on Dec 6, 2013 1:24:30 GMT
I'm sorry but that's not true. I've never heard that claim and it contradicts what I've always heard on MM fan sites from people who had inside info on the show. Helene had been doing other shows from the beginning, she didn't suddenly start doing that because MM were going to write her out. It just happened that they had to juggle her S5 because of schedules clashing. They thought S5 was going to be the last one for MM. That's why they did the happy ending in the finale in case it wasn't. They weren't considering axing Julia, because it wasn't necessary if the show may have been ending. I don't believe for a second they were going to write her out, not unless the actress quit, which she didn't. There was a part of my brain that was sure I was right yesterday...but you seem really sure too and I don't actually have any evidence...so I'm afraid this comment is fairly useless. I got the schedule clash info off MM fan sites from people who would get things from the show, they were right about everything else. That's why I've always believed it's true. I know the general consensus on here has always been to go with the MM fansite sources. And believing Helene's schedule was the reason for her smaller role in S5. I used to lurk and I remember it being discussed a couple of years ago. If anyone can show us a source to say they were considering axing Julia then I'd gladly admit I'm wrong. I'm not familiar with the claim tbh. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Dec 8, 2013 14:54:12 GMT
Did you think Gillies was going to kiss him? No. Never. Not even in the middle of a nightmare. I was very disappointed. According to me, this shouldn't have happened. Not even to create a diversion. I always thought that James GILLIES was a narcissistic psychopath and that he couldn't stand to have someone more clever than him. And I like the character and the storylines about him except this last one. GILLIES had almost managed to commit the perfect crime; he wanted to prove his superiority to everyone but he underestimated the skills of the detective. MURDOCH had no evidence of his guilt that's why he has lured Robert PERRY into not trust in his partner anymore. I had the impression that GILLIES didn't consider Robert PERRY as a friend but more as his puppet, that he manipulated him. But if Robert PERRY was really his friend, it could explain that GILLIES felt betrayed and that he decided to changed the rules of his little games and to avenge MURDOCH, to hurt him by killing Julia. This kiss was unexpected and I don't understand what it means -was GILLIES in love with MURDOCH since the beginning? I don't think so- but it makes me think the relationship between Julia and William appears to be in a deadlock. It's as if the writers ran out of ideas. Not to mention that GILLIES escaped one more time and maybe he is still alive. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Dec 8, 2013 15:20:58 GMT
Emily wasn't there in this episode? I didn't even notice. XD Exactly. I only noticed she wasn't in it when Julia checked the body. Then I forgot again until the end and I realised she hadn't appeared. I didn't miss her. Julia just took her old role back. I noticed that Dr GRACE wasn't in the train and it was perfectly understandable -the transfert of a prisoner is a police operation, it's almost impossible to predict a murder and she was not a victim- and I didn't really care. I didn't miss her. |
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Post by murdochic on Dec 8, 2013 15:48:34 GMT
Did you think Gillies was going to kiss him? No. Never. Not even in the middle of a nightmare. I was very disappointed. According to me, this shouldn't have happened. Not even to create a diversion. I always thought that James GILLIES was a narcissistic psychopath and that he couldn't stand to have someone more clever than him. And I like the character and the storylines about him except this last one. GILLIES had almost managed to commit the perfect crime; he wanted to prove his superiority to everyone but he underestimated the skills of the detective. MURDOCH had no evidence of his guilt that's why he has lured Robert PERRY into not trust in his partner anymore. I had the impression that GILLIES didn't consider Robert PERRY as a friend but more as his puppet, that he manipulated him. But if Robert PERRY was really his friend, it could explain that GILLIES felt betrayed and that he decided to changed the rules of his little games and to avenge MURDOCH, to hurt him by killing Julia. This kiss was unexpected and I don't understand what it means -was GILLIES in love with MURDOCH since the beginning? I don't think so- but it makes me think the relationship between Julia and William appears to be in a deadlock. It's as if the writers ran out of ideas. Not to mention that GILLIES escaped one more time and maybe he is still alive. The kiss wasn't sexual. It was just about rattling and mocking Murdoch. Gillies wanted him angry and distracted so he could run to the edge of the bridge and jump off. But he couldn't get away from Murdoch unless he got him off him. His hands were shackled so he couldn't fight, the only thing left was to kiss William. That would be sure to make him jump up, and it worked. Gillies isn't capable of feeling love for others. He only loves himself. And we've had nothing to suggest he's attracted to men, in fact he doesn't seem to have a sexuality at all. Even if he was gay/bi he still wasn't kissing William because he was attracted to him. It was a tactic. Just like riling up the others on the train and making the constables act like bumbling idiots. It was his only means of escape. He is certain to be alive. No body was found which confirms he'll be back at some point. Yanssen said every show needs a master villain and that's Gillies, that was indicating he'll be back at some point. Though they can't have him escaping once again. If and when he returns it has to be the end of it. William and Julia are starting to get past Darcy's death and are moving back to a normal relationship. They said this episode was a turning point for them. So I expect they'll become more coupley from now on. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Dec 8, 2013 15:57:22 GMT
I really hope that James Gillies is dead, after all he was handcuffed, and I don't think it's easy to swim with handcuffs around the wrists. This James Gillies story is getting boring, it turns like the Young and the Restless/Bold and Beautiful with Sheila Carter who was killed after more than 20 years. I'm very scared that Gillies come back and kill William and Julia. He likely is coming back or the door is left open. They've already implied it. They'd never kill off Murdoch, you can't have the show without him. They'd also not kill off Julia, not unless the actress wanted to leave. I hoped too that this episode would be the last, the end of the GILLIES storyline. MURDOCH and GILLIES both could have fell down the bridge together during a fight, and MURDOCH could have bring him back on the shore alive -just to enjoy to see him hanged- or dead. Instead, he remains a threat for William and Julia. And now everything seems possible; even the worst. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Dec 8, 2013 16:44:22 GMT
No. Never. Not even in the middle of a nightmare. I was very disappointed. According to me, this shouldn't have happened. Not even to create a diversion. I always thought that James GILLIES was a narcissistic psychopath and that he couldn't stand to have someone more clever than him. And I like the character and the storylines about him except this last one. GILLIES had almost managed to commit the perfect crime; he wanted to prove his superiority to everyone but he underestimated the skills of the detective. MURDOCH had no evidence of his guilt that's why he has lured Robert PERRY into not trust in his partner anymore. I had the impression that GILLIES didn't consider Robert PERRY as a friend but more as his puppet, that he manipulated him. But if Robert PERRY was really his friend, it could explain that GILLIES felt betrayed and that he decided to changed the rules of his little games and to avenge MURDOCH, to hurt him by killing Julia. This kiss was unexpected and I don't understand what it means -was GILLIES in love with MURDOCH since the beginning? I don't think so- but it makes me think the relationship between Julia and William appears to be in a deadlock. It's as if the writers ran out of ideas. Not to mention that GILLIES escaped one more time and maybe he is still alive. The kiss wasn't sexual. It was just about rattling and mocking Murdoch. Gillies wanted him angry and distracted so he could run to the edge of the bridge and jump off. But he couldn't get away from Murdoch unless he got him off him. His hands were shackled so he couldn't fight, the only thing left was to kiss William. That would be sure to make him jump up, and it worked. Gillies isn't capable of feeling love for others. He only loves himself. And we've had nothing to suggest he's attracted to men, in fact he doesn't seem to have a sexuality at all. Even if he was gay/bi he still wasn't kissing William because he was attracted to him. It was a tactic. Just like riling up the others on the train and making the constables act like bumbling idiots. It was his only means of escape. He is certain to be alive. No body was found which confirms he'll be back at some point. Yanssen said every show needs a master villain and that's Gillies, that was indicating he'll be back at some point. Though they can't have him escaping once again. If and when he returns it has to be the end of it. William and Julia are starting to get past Darcy's death and are moving back to a normal relationship. They said this episode was a turning point for them. So I expect they'll become more coupley from now on. I know that this kiss was just only a way/tactic to escape and that it's not about the sexuality of GILLIES. But it makes me angry because it tarnishes the image of the character of MURDOCH. The detective is the main character and he shouldn't have been misled by this type of ruse. Since the beginning, GILLIES didn't cease to manipulate MURDOCH so he should have been more suspicious. Ce baiser, c'était la goutte d'eau qui fait déborder le vase. This kiss was the straw that broke the camel's back. But I will keep in mind what you said the next time I will watch this episode. Thank you, Murdochic, for your explanations. |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Dec 8, 2013 21:48:34 GMT
The kiss wasn't sexual. It was just about rattling and mocking Murdoch. Gillies wanted him angry and distracted so he could run to the edge of the bridge and jump off. But he couldn't get away from Murdoch unless he got him off him. His hands were shackled so he couldn't fight, the only thing left was to kiss William. That would be sure to make him jump up, and it worked. Gillies isn't capable of feeling love for others. He only loves himself. And we've had nothing to suggest he's attracted to men, in fact he doesn't seem to have a sexuality at all. Even if he was gay/bi he still wasn't kissing William because he was attracted to him. It was a tactic. Just like riling up the others on the train and making the constables act like bumbling idiots. It was his only means of escape. He is certain to be alive. No body was found which confirms he'll be back at some point. Yanssen said every show needs a master villain and that's Gillies, that was indicating he'll be back at some point. Though they can't have him escaping once again. If and when he returns it has to be the end of it. William and Julia are starting to get past Darcy's death and are moving back to a normal relationship. They said this episode was a turning point for them. So I expect they'll become more coupley from now on. I know that this kiss was just only a way/tactic to escape and that it's not about the sexuality of GILLIES. But it makes me angry because it tarnishes the image of the character of MURDOCH. The detective is the main character and he shouldn't have been misled by this type of ruse. Since the beginning, GILLIES didn't cease to manipulate MURDOCH so he should have been more suspicious. Ce baiser, c'était la goutte d'eau qui fait déborder le vase. This kiss was the straw that broke the camel's back. But I will keep in mind what you said the next time I will watch this episode. Thank you, Murdochic, for your explanations. I disagree. All Murdoch did was jump back in shock and revulsion. That proves that he's human. After all, if somebody you hated (and incidentally was the same gender as you) unexpectedly planted one on you, wouldn't you be surprised? I'd have been weirded out if Murdoch hadn't reacted the way he did. The kiss was quite literally the only way Gillies would be able to break free; he knew that and used it to his advantage. I agree that Murdoch wasn't very clever and detective-like this episode, but not in that particular scene. This episode might slightly tarnish the character of Murdoch (as well as Henry and the Station House Four boys) but the kiss didn't. |
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Post by murdochic on Dec 9, 2013 0:07:40 GMT
I know that this kiss was just only a way/tactic to escape and that it's not about the sexuality of GILLIES. But it makes me angry because it tarnishes the image of the character of MURDOCH. The detective is the main character and he shouldn't have been misled by this type of ruse. Since the beginning, GILLIES didn't cease to manipulate MURDOCH so he should have been more suspicious. Ce baiser, c'était la goutte d'eau qui fait déborder le vase. This kiss was the straw that broke the camel's back. But I will keep in mind what you said the next time I will watch this episode. Thank you, Murdochic, for your explanations. I disagree. All Murdoch did was jump back in shock and revulsion. That proves that he's human. After all, if somebody you hated (and incidentally was the same gender as you) unexpectedly planted one on you, wouldn't you be surprised? I'd have been weirded out if Murdoch hadn't reacted the way he did. The kiss was quite literally the only way Gillies would be able to break free; he knew that and used it to his advantage. I agree that Murdoch wasn't very clever and detective-like this episode, but not in that particular scene. This episode might slightly tarnish the character of Murdoch (as well as Henry and the Station House Four boys) but the kiss didn't. I don't think it tarnished any of them. They all have good reason to react badly around Gillies. He's done horrible things, personally to some of them. The constables have never been shown to be the brightest or greatest. And Murdoch reacting how he did was natural. He hates Gillies, which Gillies knew and used to his advantage. That hatred is very well earned and it would actually make Murdoch look heartless if he didn't feel that for Gillies. He's tried to kill Julia twice. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 1:26:34 GMT
Did you think Gillies was going to kiss him? I did NOT see that coming, and I nearly jumped to the ceiling when it happened, screaming YUCK at the same time. Did anyone else get the feeling that this was a two parter? When I look at the episode titles, it doesn't look like what they're doing, Or maybe they are going to pick up on Gillies again later in the season, like some of you have indicated. And like some of you, I just want him DONE!! Can they not come up with some other villain or complication? How about Harry, or Jasper, or anyone else for that matter? Maybe a woman who catches Murdoch's eye and causes jealousy? I like how strong Julia has become so she would definitely not take a situation like that lying down! ( or maybe she would lie down, ok I am getting a little risque here, must be the frustration I am feeling with these two). Thoughts? |
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Post by LaurenMurdoch on Dec 14, 2013 16:02:16 GMT
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Georgina Reilly was filming on Saving Hope when this episode was shot and was never indicated to be on set or anything for this episode, so they probably just wrote her out easily
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Post by carco on Dec 16, 2013 21:57:01 GMT
Did you think Gillies was going to kiss him? I did NOT see that coming, and I nearly jumped to the ceiling when it happened, screaming YUCK at the same time. Did anyone else get the feeling that this was a two parter? When I look at the episode titles, it doesn't look like what they're doing, Or maybe they are going to pick up on Gillies again later in the season, like some of you have indicated. And like some of you, I just want him DONE!! Can they not come up with some other villain or complication? How about Harry, or Jasper, or anyone else for that matter? Maybe a woman who catches Murdoch's eye and causes jealousy? I like how strong Julia has become so she would definitely not take a situation like that lying down! ( or maybe she would lie down, ok I am getting a little risque here, must be the frustration I am feeling with these two). Thoughts? I didn't think it was a 2 parter. As Julia said they have to believe it's over. Even then they will each likely be looking over their shoulder forever and will mentally never be free of Gillies (which is just as bad as anything he has done to either of them to date). I'm thinking we won't see Gillies again this season and life for them goes on, for now. I'm sure there's more drama and angst coming our way but I hope it's not to the extent of Season 6. As for another woman catching William's eye..there have been several ladies William has spent time with (when he was not courting Julia) but he could never get over his feelings for Julia so I think to do that again now would be a kind of "been there, done that" scenario. I'm hoping that we are now heading into a relatively calmer period of W & J's relationship, learning to be a couple and being free to do whatever the heck it was unmarried couples did in those days.  I think in those days the man would have to declare his intentions fairly early on. But given Julia is a widow now and she's not a young girl and they've always had an unspoken "understanding" I imagine they do not have to bow to society's expectations quite as much. I'm wondering if Julia's father comes into the picture this season. He would probably be a source of angst for W & J as I gather he does bow to society's expectations. |
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I think in those days the man would have to declare his intentions fairly early on. But given Julia is a widow now and she's not a young girl and they've always had an unspoken "understanding" I imagine they do not have to bow to society's expectations quite as much. I'm wondering if Julia's father comes into the picture this season. He would probably be a source of angst for W & J as I gather he does bow to society's expectations.