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Post by fan2tvshows on Sept 27, 2014 14:50:03 GMT
I didn't understand why GILLIES kissing MURDOCH could be used as a way/trick to escape and now I think I couldn't understand because of a lack of a general culture.
For the first time today, I heard this quote:
"Ce qui ne peut être évité, il faut l'embrasser".*
This is a quote from The merry wives of WINDSOR by William SHAKESPEARE.
It sounds -at least in french- like a explanation according to me.
Indeed if GILLIES literally -LITERALLY and not metaphorically: "embrasser" means "to (french) kiss"**- applied this quote, it could explain to me the mean used by the writers to allow GILLIES to escape from the grab of MURDOCH.
GILLIES was stuck, he can not avoid the gallows and so the death and he literally kissed MURDOCH.
* I couldn't find its translation in english so I do my best to translate it below:
"What can not be avoided/prevented, it must be kissed".
** We French don't make the difference between "kiss" and "french kiss", because we just have one word for the two notions and it's "embrasser".
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Post by snacky on Sept 27, 2014 18:58:36 GMT
I didn't understand why GILLIES kissing MURDOCH could be used as a way/trick to escape and now I think I couldn't understand because of a lack of a general culture. For the first time today, I heard this quote: "Ce qui ne peut être évité, il faut l'embrasser".* This is a quote from The merry wives of WINDSOR by William SHAKESPEARE. It sounds -at least in french- like a explanation according to me. Indeed if GILLIES literally -LITERALLY and not metaphorically: "embrasser" means "to (french) kiss"**- applied this quote, it could explain to me the mean used by the writers to allow GILLIES to escape from the grab of MURDOCH. GILLIES was stuck, he can not avoid the gallows and so the death and he literally kissed MURDOCH. Gillies simply did it to shock and distract William so he could get away. He has observed William closely: he knows William isn't gay, and he's part of a homophobic culture. English men don't even do the casual "kiss on cheek" thing that French men might do. Gillies realized homophobia was a weakness, and he took advantage of it! But some would also say Gillies is gay (Inspector Brackenreid suggested this in Big Murder on Campus), and that he actually likes William - a genius that matches his - as well. So he wanted to get in that kiss before dying. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 27, 2014 19:00:20 GMT
** We French don't make the difference between "kiss" and "french kiss", because we just have one word for the two notions and it's "embrasser". We were just discussing an article that claimed what Americans call a "French kiss", the French call a "Florentine kiss"...? |
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Post by georgeisclairvoyant on Nov 2, 2014 23:40:29 GMT
I believe Gillies is alive.  I didn't see any previous posts about this fact...Here's my theory:James Gillies took money out of his account and told other criminals, through the walls at the jail, that there would be money on the train, but there wasn't any. Where did that money go then, because it's not in his account...?  If Gillies managed to get a woman to co-operate in his escape, why couldn't he have had contact with someone else?I think he did make contact with someone else and used the money he said was on the train to pay this person to wait in a boat down river for him at a very specific time. I think he also devised when everything would happen on the train and had his accomplice lady come into the train car to be used as a hostage at just the right time so he wouldn't have far to run to the bridge. I think he misjudged how fast Murdoch would run after him and to slow him down he kissed Murdoch. From there Gillies jumps into the river, knowing whether he was concious or not, someone would be pulling him out of the river just down stream. From there he is taken to a hospital and assuming the identity of the person who saved him from the river (because he killed that idiot; I mean really, who's that stupid?! Have they never heard the fact that he's killed people just for the fun of it, let alone to cover his tracks?! But I digress.) and recovers... then who knows what, but he eventually comes back (and when that happens we will have this whole discussion again) and makes life hell for William and Julia once again. Who knows, if Murdoch and Julia ever manage to get pregnant Gillies may re-appear then and push Julia down a set of stairs resulting in Julia having a miscarriage... and then he will have killed something that will make Julia and William furious and knock them off there feet... and the only reason they know it's Gillies who did it is that he crouches in front of Julia, lying on the floor with a grin on his face and he once again disappears into the night... Causing panic and a constant threat on both of their lives... The bastard...Any thoughts? Besides the fact that I think everyone on this forum wants him dead...
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 3, 2014 2:04:39 GMT
I believe Gillies is alive. I didn't see any previous posts about this fact...Here's my theory:James Gillies took money out of his account and told other criminals, through the walls at the jail, that there would be money on the train, but there wasn't any. Where did that money go then, because it's not in his account...? If Gillies managed to get a woman to co-operate in his escape, why couldn't he have had contact with someone else?I think he did make contact with someone else and used the money he said was on the train to pay this person to wait in a boat down river for him at a very specific time. I think he also devised when everything would happen on the train and had his accomplice lady come into the train car to be used as a hostage at just the right time so he wouldn't have far to run to the bridge. I think he misjudged how fast Murdoch would run after him and to slow him down he kissed Murdoch. From there Gillies jumps into the river, knowing whether he was concious or not, someone would be pulling him out of the river just down stream. From there he is taken to a hospital and assuming the identity of the person who saved him from the river (because he killed that idiot; I mean really, who's that stupid?! Have they never heard the fact that he's killed people just for the fun of it, let alone to cover his tracks?! But I digress.) and recovers... then who knows what, but he eventually comes back (and when that happens we will have this whole discussion again) and makes life hell for William and Julia once again. Who knows, if Murdoch and Julia ever manage to get pregnant Gillies may re-appear then and push Julia down a set of stairs resulting in Julia having a miscarriage... and then he will have killed something that will make Julia and William furious and knock them off there feet... and the only reason they know it's Gillies who did it is that he crouches in front of Julia, lying on the floor with a grin on his face and he once again disappears into the night... Causing panic and a constant threat on both of their lives... The bastard...Any thoughts? Besides the fact that I think everyone on this forum wants him dead... Ooooh, good theory. I certainly think it's possible, and that the writers definitely left open that possibility, but it remains to be seen. I like your idea, and it would give Snacky some angst, but I kind of hope that they leave him dead. However, they could also do your scenario with another baddie from the show's history. Sally Pendrick, perhaps? Anyone else that's still at large? |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 3, 2014 2:12:56 GMT
I believe Gillies is alive. I didn't see any previous posts about this fact...Here's my theory:James Gillies took money out of his account and told other criminals, through the walls at the jail, that there would be money on the train, but there wasn't any. Where did that money go then, because it's not in his account...? If Gillies managed to get a woman to co-operate in his escape, why couldn't he have had contact with someone else?I think he did make contact with someone else and used the money he said was on the train to pay this person to wait in a boat down river for him at a very specific time. I think he also devised when everything would happen on the train and had his accomplice lady come into the train car to be used as a hostage at just the right time so he wouldn't have far to run to the bridge. I think he misjudged how fast Murdoch would run after him and to slow him down he kissed Murdoch. From there Gillies jumps into the river, knowing whether he was concious or not, someone would be pulling him out of the river just down stream. From there he is taken to a hospital and assuming the identity of the person who saved him from the river (because he killed that idiot; I mean really, who's that stupid?! Have they never heard the fact that he's killed people just for the fun of it, let alone to cover his tracks?! But I digress.) and recovers... then who knows what, but he eventually comes back (and when that happens we will have this whole discussion again) and makes life hell for William and Julia once again. Who knows, if Murdoch and Julia ever manage to get pregnant Gillies may re-appear then and push Julia down a set of stairs resulting in Julia having a miscarriage... and then he will have killed something that will make Julia and William furious and knock them off there feet... and the only reason they know it's Gillies who did it is that he crouches in front of Julia, lying on the floor with a grin on his face and he once again disappears into the night... Causing panic and a constant threat on both of their lives... The bastard...Any thoughts? Besides the fact that I think everyone on this forum wants him dead... Ooooh, good theory. I certainly think it's possible, and that the writers definitely left open that possibility, but it remains to be seen. I like your idea, and it would give Snacky some angst, but I kind of hope that they leave him dead. However, they could also do your scenario with another baddie from the show's history. Sally Pendrick, perhaps? Anyone else that's still at large? There was that belly speaker from Season 1...but other than him I can't think of anyone else who got away. I haven't heard that theory yet, and it's a good one. And as much as I may like to wish he's dead, there will always be that inkling until a body is found (or not found) that he may possibly still be alive. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 4:12:03 GMT
I believe Gillies is alive. I didn't see any previous posts about this fact...Here's my theory:James Gillies took money out of his account and told other criminals, through the walls at the jail, that there would be money on the train, but there wasn't any. Where did that money go then, because it's not in his account...? If Gillies managed to get a woman to co-operate in his escape, why couldn't he have had contact with someone else?I think he did make contact with someone else and used the money he said was on the train to pay this person to wait in a boat down river for him at a very specific time. I think he also devised when everything would happen on the train and had his accomplice lady come into the train car to be used as a hostage at just the right time so he wouldn't have far to run to the bridge. I think he misjudged how fast Murdoch would run after him and to slow him down he kissed Murdoch. From there Gillies jumps into the river, knowing whether he was concious or not, someone would be pulling him out of the river just down stream. From there he is taken to a hospital and assuming the identity of the person who saved him from the river (because he killed that idiot; I mean really, who's that stupid?! Have they never heard the fact that he's killed people just for the fun of it, let alone to cover his tracks?! But I digress.) and recovers... then who knows what, but he eventually comes back (and when that happens we will have this whole discussion again) and makes life hell for William and Julia once again. Who knows, if Murdoch and Julia ever manage to get pregnant Gillies may re-appear then and push Julia down a set of stairs resulting in Julia having a miscarriage... and then he will have killed something that will make Julia and William furious and knock them off there feet... and the only reason they know it's Gillies who did it is that he crouches in front of Julia, lying on the floor with a grin on his face and he once again disappears into the night... Causing panic and a constant threat on both of their lives... The bastard...Any thoughts? Besides the fact that I think everyone on this forum wants him dead... Ooooh, good theory. I certainly think it's possible, and that the writers definitely left open that possibility, but it remains to be seen. I like your idea, and it would give Snacky some angst, but I kind of hope that they leave him dead. However, they could also do your scenario with another baddie from the show's history. Sally Pendrick, perhaps? Anyone else that's still at large? Now I know why you are called the Eeeevil child! Yet, I have to admit that contrary to all evidence given, there is still a doubt in my mind about his demise. He may have escaped and right now be cooking up revenge in some rat hole. But you're right. I want him to be dead and stay dead. Like Fallenbelle, I would like to see some other villains return, like Black Hand guy. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 3, 2014 5:27:32 GMT
I believe Gillies is alive. I didn't see any previous posts about this fact...Here's my theory: I mean really, who's that stupid?! Have they never heard the fact that he's killed people just for the fun of it, let alone to cover his tracks?! Any thoughts? Besides the fact that I think everyone on this forum wants him dead... I'm in the minority in that I think the identification of Gillies' body was such an anti-climax that I'd sort of like to see him alive just so we can have an actual EPIC episode with the death of Gillies. But again, I'm very much in the minority because everyone else is sick to death of his sorry mug. Except these seem to be a few fringe folk who ship Wiliam/Gillies - omg, GILLIAM!!! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 3, 2014 5:41:24 GMT
I believe Gillies is alive. I didn't see any previous posts about this fact...Here's my theory:James Gillies took money out of his account and told other criminals, through the walls at the jail, that there would be money on the train, but there wasn't any. Where did that money go then, because it's not in his account...? If Gillies managed to get a woman to co-operate in his escape, why couldn't he have had contact with someone else?I think he did make contact with someone else and used the money he said was on the train to pay this person to wait in a boat down river for him at a very specific time. I think he also devised when everything would happen on the train and had his accomplice lady come into the train car to be used as a hostage at just the right time so he wouldn't have far to run to the bridge. I think he misjudged how fast Murdoch would run after him and to slow him down he kissed Murdoch. From there Gillies jumps into the river, knowing whether he was concious or not, someone would be pulling him out of the river just down stream. From there he is taken to a hospital and assuming the identity of the person who saved him from the river (because he killed that idiot; I mean really, who's that stupid?! Have they never heard the fact that he's killed people just for the fun of it, let alone to cover his tracks?! But I digress.) and recovers... then who knows what, but he eventually comes back (and when that happens we will have this whole discussion again) and makes life hell for William and Julia once again. Who knows, if Murdoch and Julia ever manage to get pregnant Gillies may re-appear then and push Julia down a set of stairs resulting in Julia having a miscarriage... and then he will have killed something that will make Julia and William furious and knock them off there feet... and the only reason they know it's Gillies who did it is that he crouches in front of Julia, lying on the floor with a grin on his face and he once again disappears into the night... Causing panic and a constant threat on both of their lives... The bastard...Any thoughts? Besides the fact that I think everyone on this forum wants him dead... Ooooh, good theory. I certainly think it's possible, and that the writers definitely left open that possibility, but it remains to be seen. I like your idea, and it would give Snacky some angst, but I kind of hope that they leave him dead. However, they could also do your scenario with another baddie from the show's history. Sally Pendrick, perhaps? Anyone else that's still at large? As William has frequently said, Gillies plans everything in advance - and he could be working with partners. He could have predicted every single thing William would look for at an autopsy. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 3, 2014 5:43:58 GMT
Ooooh, good theory. I certainly think it's possible, and that the writers definitely left open that possibility, but it remains to be seen. I like your idea, and it would give Snacky some angst, but I kind of hope that they leave him dead. However, they could also do your scenario with another baddie from the show's history. Sally Pendrick, perhaps? Anyone else that's still at large? There was that belly speaker from Season 1...but other than him I can't think of anyone else who got away. I haven't heard that theory yet, and it's a good one. And as much as I may like to wish he's dead, there will always be that inkling until a body is found (or not found) that he may possibly still be alive. Are you running behind a season where you are? A "body" was found at the end of Season 7, and the evidence was enough to convince William. But I still think Gillies was smart enough to fake it with enough planning.  |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 3, 2014 5:56:13 GMT
There was that belly speaker from Season 1...but other than him I can't think of anyone else who got away. I haven't heard that theory yet, and it's a good one. And as much as I may like to wish he's dead, there will always be that inkling until a body is found (or not found) that he may possibly still be alive. Are you running behind a season where you are? A "body" was found at the end of Season 7, and the evidence was enough to convince William. But I still think Gillies was smart enough to fake it with enough planning. God I hope Gillies is gone, I really didn't like him at all however I didn't mind Murdoch in Toyland. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 3, 2014 6:02:23 GMT
Are you running behind a season where you are? A "body" was found at the end of Season 7, and the evidence was enough to convince William. But I still think Gillies was smart enough to fake it with enough planning. God I hope Gillies is gone, I really didn't like him at all however I didn't mind Murdoch in Toyland. I think people would change their mind about seeing Gillies again if the episode dealing with him was truly spectacular.  |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 3, 2014 7:26:21 GMT
God I hope Gillies is gone, I really didn't like him at all however I didn't mind Murdoch in Toyland. I think people would change their mind about seeing Gillies again if the episode dealing with him was truly spectacular. I don't believe there could be a truly spectacular episode with Gillies....  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 3, 2014 9:20:23 GMT
I think people would change their mind about seeing Gillies again if the episode dealing with him was truly spectacular. I don't believe there could be a truly spectacular episode with Gillies.... Come on, Gillies=Moriarity...Reichenbach Falls? Up late to watch MM on TV again - still a very cool experience! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 3, 2014 15:28:11 GMT
I liked his character at first but then when he kept escaping with the only intent to mess up Murdoch's love life, I got tired of him real fast. If they had left it at MiT and no more, I would have been massively cool with that but they had to keep beating a dead horse in increasingly ridiculous ways.
Anyway, if he's in tonight's ep, even if it is only a nightmare, I'll probably scream as loudly as Murdoch.
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