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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 2, 2015 7:23:47 GMT
No, he's not as open or direct as George would be, but he's collecting information, is treating Emily coldly, and when George asks for romantic advice, will probably remind George that she's a cheater. Julia will defend Emily however, and this might cause some minor conflict between W/J in the eps to come. William has never warmed up to Emily, though. I'm not sure if it's because she is younger and thus beneath him in the hierarchy of things or if it's because she replaced Julia. I doubt Emily will be a cause for conflict between William and Julia because Gedna seems a go. However, Emily seems so disappointed in Julia's failure to run for office - there might be a rift there. And I think Julia is going to begin to feel useless in general. My prediction is writer frustration at what to do with Julia's character will end up being voiced by Julia's character. Unfortunately, I'm suspecting that Gemily will make a comeback-or Emily will at least try, which torments George, and leads to him pulling William out of bed in the middle of the night, looking for advice (per blooper reel). I think William would remind George that Emily was a cheater-perhaps angering Julia-this is also her close friend. I don't think it'll be a knockdown drag out, but I think there will be a disagreement with a few words thrown-but short lived. Hmmm...I'm okay with Julia being frustrated with her current position-just so long as its resolved soon. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 2, 2015 8:51:34 GMT
Unfortunately, I'm suspecting that Gemily will make a comeback-or Emily will at least try, which torments George, and leads to him pulling William out of bed in the middle of the night, looking for advice (per blooper reel). I think William would remind George Emily was a cheater-perhaps angering Julia-this is also her close friend. I don't think it'll be a knockdown drag out, but I think there will be a disagreement with a few words thrown-but short lived. Hmmm...I'm okay with Julia being frustrated with her current position-just so long as its resolved soon. I can't see William giving too much advice unless specifically asked for it. I think he's being pulled out of bed over a Gedna problem, though. I'm crossing my fingers that Gemily makes no comeback at all. I'd even take an Emily/Henry fling over that - but I hope she goes back to Lillian! I think Lillian is her best prospect this season! I called that one, too! I agree with a little Julia frustration being okay, as long as it actually does resolve. My fear is that it won't go anywhere. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 2, 2015 12:33:16 GMT
Unfortunately, I'm suspecting that Gemily will make a comeback-or Emily will at least try, which torments George, and leads to him pulling William out of bed in the middle of the night, looking for advice (per blooper reel). I think William would remind George Emily was a cheater-perhaps angering Julia-this is also her close friend. I don't think it'll be a knockdown drag out, but I think there will be a disagreement with a few words thrown-but short lived. Hmmm...I'm okay with Julia being frustrated with her current position-just so long as its resolved soon. I can't see William giving too much advice unless specifically asked for it. I think he's being pulled out of bed over a Gedna problem, though. I'm crossing my fingers that Gemily makes no comeback at all. I'd even take an Emily/Henry fling over that - but I hope she goes back to Lillian! I think Lillian is her best prospect this season! I called that one, too! I agree with a little Julia frustration being okay, as long as it actually does resolve. My fear is that it won't go anywhere. That's what I've said, but I got spanked when I said it. But yeah, it's a fear of mine as well. I hope it'll be addressed soon, but the longer it goes, the more concerned I am for her character. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 2, 2015 16:00:28 GMT
I can't see William giving too much advice unless specifically asked for it. I think he's being pulled out of bed over a Gedna problem, though. I'm crossing my fingers that Gemily makes no comeback at all. I'd even take an Emily/Henry fling over that - but I hope she goes back to Lillian! I think Lillian is her best prospect this season! I called that one, too! I agree with a little Julia frustration being okay, as long as it actually does resolve. My fear is that it won't go anywhere. That's what I've said, but I got spanked when I said it. But yeah, it's a fear of mine as well. I hope it'll be addressed soon, but the longer it goes, the more concerned I am for her character. Right now I see Julia being ripe for killing off but if that happens it will be the end of MM. There's no point carrying on with it once all William's hope of being with Julia is gone, he's an empty shell. When she was married he could at least see her and there was hope he could somehow win her back but once she's dead there's nothing. I do hope they don't end the series this way. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 2, 2015 17:45:34 GMT
That's what I've said, but I got spanked when I said it. But yeah, it's a fear of mine as well. I hope it'll be addressed soon, but the longer it goes, the more concerned I am for her character. Right now I see Julia being ripe for killing off but if that happens it will be the end of MM. There's no point carrying on with it once all William's hope of being with Julia is gone, he's an empty shell. When she was married he could at least see her and there was hope he could somehow win her back but once she's dead there's nothing. I do hope they don't end the series this way. Yeah, the longer they go without making her integral to the show, the more likely it is for her to be killed off-and I'm trying to brace myself for that.  It seems unlikely, but they could kill her off, and have next season be 100% darker and have the whole season be about William bringing down the Black Hand. But it would also be an incredibly steep descent into darkness for William, and a direction I don't think the show would take. Or maybe she decides to go on a medical mission to China...but I don't see William being happy about that either. But it raises the question of how are they going to fix her character...or maybe she just becomes an occasional guest star and they don't.  In the TV-Eh podcast, PM said that he brought a new character on (Emily) to reflect his entrance onto the show. I wonder if PM doesn't really like HJ that much, which accounts for her increasing marginalization-or maybe there's hard feelings about her pursuing other projects? It's an intriguing demotion from core cast member to occasional fluff scene. I hope this will be addressed soon, even frustration at her position as the wife of a cop would be something in the right direction. I really wished they'd bring her on as profiler, and maybe this was their intent before they were concerned that it was just too big of an anachronism. It just seems interesting that they seemed to be going down this path, and have seemingly abandoned it. Curious... Anyway, hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.  |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 2, 2015 23:40:36 GMT
Right now I see Julia being ripe for killing off but if that happens it will be the end of MM. There's no point carrying on with it once all William's hope of being with Julia is gone, he's an empty shell. When she was married he could at least see her and there was hope he could somehow win her back but once she's dead there's nothing. I do hope they don't end the series this way. Yeah, the longer they go without making her integral to the show, the more likely it is for her to be killed off-and I'm trying to brace myself for that. It seems unlikely, but they could kill her off, and have next season be 100% darker and have the whole season be about William bringing down the Black Hand. But it would also be an incredibly steep descent into darkness for William, and a direction I don't think the show would take. Or maybe she decides to go on a medical mission to China...but I don't see William being happy about that either. But it raises the question of how are they going to fix her character...or maybe she just becomes an occasional guest star and they don't. In the TV-Eh podcast, PM said that he brought a new character on (Emily) to reflect his entrance onto the show. I wonder if PM doesn't really like HJ that much, which accounts for her increasing marginalization-or maybe there's hard feelings about her pursuing other projects? It's an intriguing demotion from core cast member to occasional fluff scene. I hope this will be addressed soon, even frustration at her position as the wife of a cop would be something in the right direction. I really wished they'd bring her on as profiler, and maybe this was their intent before they were concerned that it was just too big of an anachronism. It just seems interesting that they seemed to be going down this path, and have seemingly abandoned it. Curious... Anyway, hoping for the best, preparing for the worst. Well if it is something to do with a problem between HJ and PM I vote to keep HJ as w/o Julia the show wouldn't be the same. PM can be replaced anytime. Sorry Peter! |
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Post by snacky on Jan 3, 2015 7:09:02 GMT
I can't see William giving too much advice unless specifically asked for it. I think he's being pulled out of bed over a Gedna problem, though. I'm crossing my fingers that Gemily makes no comeback at all. I'd even take an Emily/Henry fling over that - but I hope she goes back to Lillian! I think Lillian is her best prospect this season! I called that one, too! I agree with a little Julia frustration being okay, as long as it actually does resolve. My fear is that it won't go anywhere. That's what I've said, but I got spanked when I said it. But yeah, it's a fear of mine as well. I hope it'll be addressed soon, but the longer it goes, the more concerned I am for her character. Well you were putting it in terms of Julia being killed off/being written out of the show, and you started posting on it the moment they were married. I was actually saying the same thing before they got married, which was why I got frustrated you suddenly drew that conclusion after the marriage. I'm still of that opinion, so I think our only disagreement was in the killjoy timing of when you brought it up. But I think it's a hard thing for most people here to look at. I think some interesting solutions have been offered, though. Hodge has the Nick & Nora marriage in mind. I brought up the CSI lab... |
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Post by snacky on Jan 3, 2015 7:17:57 GMT
That's what I've said, but I got spanked when I said it. But yeah, it's a fear of mine as well. I hope it'll be addressed soon, but the longer it goes, the more concerned I am for her character. Right now I see Julia being ripe for killing off but if that happens it will be the end of MM. There's no point carrying on with it once all William's hope of being with Julia is gone, he's an empty shell. When she was married he could at least see her and there was hope he could somehow win her back but once she's dead there's nothing. I do hope they don't end the series this way. There have actually been American series' where they got away with killing off/removing the MAIN character. One I can think of off the bat is Profiler, but there are some others on the edge of my memory. Since the show is called Murdoch Mysteries, potentially they could kill off William and make Julia the main character. I think we have to look at The Good Wife for a model here. Even though Josh was a popular character, the writers decided to literally "pull the trigger" when the actor decided not to pick up the contract. So we don't know what will happen if a year comes where Helene decides she doesn't feel "challenged" enough or "well written" enough or paid well enough. Julia could mysteriously disappear at sea, giving viewers a delicious renewal of OTP angst. Or Julia could die, and the producers/writers would just weather the storm and hope viewers get into Widower William for a year or two...and then eventually introduce the New Girlfriend. Anyway, I don't think the Producers or Writers consider Julia too sacred to kill. But if they do it, it's up to the fans to deliver the final verdict as to whether they get away with it. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 3, 2015 7:26:34 GMT
I really wished they'd bring her on as profiler, and maybe this was their intent before they were concerned that it was just too big of an anachronism. It just seems interesting that they seemed to be going down this path, and have seemingly abandoned it. Curious... Anyway, hoping for the best, preparing for the worst. I think they figured out profilers were kind of boring. The most interesting thing about profilers is if the show is told from their point of view, and they are having hallucinations and someone traumatized by the whole thing. Wait, William is already having visions, so Julia can't do that. Her role as a profiler would be reduced to giving the occasional psychological insight Julia really needs a better job. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 3, 2015 7:39:08 GMT
Yeah, the longer they go without making her integral to the show, the more likely it is for her to be killed off-and I'm trying to brace myself for that. It seems unlikely, but they could kill her off, and have next season be 100% darker and have the whole season be about William bringing down the Black Hand. But it would also be an incredibly steep descent into darkness for William, and a direction I don't think the show would take. Or maybe she decides to go on a medical mission to China...but I don't see William being happy about that either. But it raises the question of how are they going to fix her character...or maybe she just becomes an occasional guest star and they don't. In the TV-Eh podcast, PM said that he brought a new character on (Emily) to reflect his entrance onto the show. I wonder if PM doesn't really like HJ that much, which accounts for her increasing marginalization-or maybe there's hard feelings about her pursuing other projects? It's an intriguing demotion from core cast member to occasional fluff scene. I hope this will be addressed soon, even frustration at her position as the wife of a cop would be something in the right direction. I really wished they'd bring her on as profiler, and maybe this was their intent before they were concerned that it was just too big of an anachronism. It just seems interesting that they seemed to be going down this path, and have seemingly abandoned it. Curious... Anyway, hoping for the best, preparing for the worst. Well if it is something to do with a problem between HJ and PM I vote to keep HJ as w/o Julia the show wouldn't be the same. PM can be replaced anytime. Sorry Peter! Peter is making his bid to put on his wig and a bustier and come on MM as the new Panto OTP of William.  |
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Post by monty151 on Jan 3, 2015 9:35:09 GMT
I can give you an example of where they killed off the main character and the programme went on, Death in Paradise. If you haven't seen DIP well they killed the main character before the credits started. Was a bit of a shock. So they could kill off William's character but think that would kill the show. Julia could be killed off but I really don't think they would do that. I do think a lot of people would turn off, too much angst in what is supposed to be a detective show. Unless she dies in childbirth, it would give William his son but again I think that would be the end of the show
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Jan 3, 2015 22:58:09 GMT
I can give you an example of where they killed off the main character and the programme went on, Death in Paradise. If you haven't seen DIP well they killed the main character before the credits started. Was a bit of a shock. So they could kill off William's character but think that would kill the show. Julia could be killed off but I really don't think they would do that. I do think a lot of people would turn off, too much angst in what is supposed to be a detective show. Unless she dies in childbirth, it would give William his son but again I think that would be the end of the show I refuse to acknowledge the death of Richard Poole. That being said-I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said here. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 4, 2015 5:11:22 GMT
I can give you an example of where they killed off the main character and the programme went on, Death in Paradise. If you haven't seen DIP well they killed the main character before the credits started. Was a bit of a shock. So they could kill off William's character but think that would kill the show. Julia could be killed off but I really don't think they would do that. I do think a lot of people would turn off, too much angst in what is supposed to be a detective show. Unless she dies in childbirth, it would give William his son but again I think that would be the end of the show I refuse to acknowledge the death of Richard Poole. That being said-I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said here. Ever since I said it, I've been wondering what a "Murdoch Mysteries" based on Julia would look like. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 4, 2015 8:24:56 GMT
I refuse to acknowledge the death of Richard Poole. That being said-I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said here. Ever since I said it, I've been wondering what a "Murdoch Mysteries" based on Julia would look like. Quite similar to MFMM I would think. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 5, 2015 9:23:46 GMT
Ever since I said it, I've been wondering what a "Murdoch Mysteries" based on Julia would look like. Quite similar to MFMM I would think. Hmm, Julia would probably drink a lot and be just as bitter. And she hasn't cut her hair and/or died it black yet! Maybe Julia isssssssssss Miss Fisher. |
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