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Post by barbarama on Feb 21, 2014 17:59:50 GMT
Episode title information found on CBC Murdoch Mysteries Facebook page  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 22, 2014 6:34:43 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Igor the Glamour Pug! Attachments:
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Post by snacky on Apr 1, 2014 4:31:15 GMT
For some strange sadistic reason, I really enjoy seeing William being clueless about what Julia wants, even when she's pouring on the hints.
But his evil genius is such that it's hard to tell if he's just not in the right head zone or whether he wants to choose his moment (and he's going to let Julia suffer a little for not telling him about the supposed Gillies letters).
In some ways this tripping over each other is more shippy than a proposal.
Regarding the episode itself: very interesting social message underlying the plot. The sudden burst of city noise which came with the gasoline engine (poor Pendrick...) must have been a nerve-wracking environmental transformation for some people. William seemed to sympathize with Mr. Pike: he must not have been thinking things through, since the suicide saved Pike from hanging.
Also, did I see some subtext about Toronto's mayors?
And William is no mere mortal? I knew he was the "super" version of Clark Kent!
Great episode. Even with reading a ton of spoiler tweets before hand, I totally thought that the pizza guy was going to cause the explosion. XD
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Post by murdochic on Apr 1, 2014 13:04:23 GMT
William was a bit dumb. Julia was obviously desperate for another marriage proposal.
Emily wanting George back now that Leslie is a villain is just forced. I actually felt a bit sorry for Higgins when he asked Emily out. I think he genuinely likes her and has for a while. But George and Higgins deserve other women. I still think Emily suits a more dynamic guy. That's not the ones in MM. But she's obviously about to get George back.
Nice to see Higgins helping to solve the case. Wow we actually got to hear Julia's father.
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Post by carco on Apr 1, 2014 15:33:08 GMT
William was a bit dumb. Julia was obviously desperate for another marriage proposal. Emily wanting George back now that Leslie is a villain is just forced. I actually felt a bit sorry for Higgins when he asked Emily out. I think he genuinely likes her and has for a while. But George and Higgins deserve other women. I still think Emily suits a more dynamic guy. That's not the ones in MM. But she's obviously about to get George back. Nice to see Higgins helping to solve the case. Wow we actually got to hear Julia's father. I liked this episode although it was different from more recent episodes. It seemed a bit edgier, quirkier, darker (in nature) than episodes we've had lately. In some ways it was a bit like the early episodes of MM. I felt sorry for Higgins in this episode. Emily, George and William even, treat him as if he has no feelings whatsoever. I know he messes things up occasionally but that's still no reason to treat a person that way. But I was glad to see that he could help William with his case. I was surprised William didn't recognize the piano parts to begin with. With William's mind working as it does, I understand him not having learned to play piano but I could see him spending a great deal of time trying to figure out how one "works". I don't totally dislike Emily because I think there is a lot we don't know about her but she seems to lack "empathy" with some people, particularly George and with Higgins. Yet, she was very understanding of Julia's predicament and gave her sound advice in Friday the 13th episode. Going forward, I think she and George need to have a heart to heart. If they court again it could be a slow process while we (ie: George) learns more about Emily and each other. I didn't understand William's "dumbness" this episode either, until I saw the preview for next week and after some thought I have a theory but won't discuss that in this particular section.  OMG, I don't know what my Mondays will be like after next week.....  |
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Post by barbarama on Apr 1, 2014 15:36:52 GMT
What to say... I don't know how I feel about the bomb plots (both of them too long imo), I think the parts I like the most were that I couldn't figure out who did it and that Higgins was essential in solving the case. That poor man aversion to changes was quite sad to see and the story brought a fair question about industrial's progress especially when we see the ramifications of it nowadays. As for the relationships' storyline, I wasn't expecting much of it this episode so I was quite surprised to see all the scenes about them… However William must either be very tired or completely aloof if he can't read the many signs Julia sent him, and I was really taken aback that he refused Julia's invitation to see her father, it is kind of an important introduction no?!!! "Men!!! arrgghhh!!!" (however, given the trailer for next week that I won't discuss now I'm very hopeful that it will change soon). As for George & Emily, good for him for not taking her back right away, he was hurt and it is understandable that he doesn't trust her just yet; Emily might need to prove herself and I say that's a good thing if she has to put the effort to win George back. Bring on the last episode now but I have to admit I will miss the show it has been a great ride so far ... Season 8 announcement..please!!!
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Post by snacky on Apr 1, 2014 15:49:50 GMT
Emily wanting George back now that Leslie is a villain is just forced. I actually felt a bit sorry for Higgins when he asked Emily out. I think he genuinely likes her and has for a while. Wasn't there an episode where George asked Henry to cover up for him some how, and to his surprise Henry tried to ask Dr. Grace out on a date? I think Henry will probably date anyone, but he's feeling a bit competitive with George: if a high class gal like Emily likes George, shouldn't she like Henry as well? What does George have that he doesn't? |
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Post by petruck on Apr 1, 2014 19:56:37 GMT
All in all probably my least favorite episode of the season so far, I truly can only think of two reasons for Murdoch to be so clueless. The first is George's suggestion to him in The Spy episode when he told him to "play hard to get*, perhaps in typical Murdoch fashion he's gotten his wires completely crossed and is trying it now to ensure that when he does ask Julia, she's guaranteed to say yes. the second reason is taking into account his spiffy new look. The expensive looking suit and coat, and the sudden willingness to hob nob with the Mayor, I wonder if Murdoch is not trying to get his life in line to provide for a wife of Julia's social stature. We know he was living in a boarding house in season 2 but it's been many years since then, I don't think he's still living there. From the glimpses we have seen he appears to be renting a room. Not something you would want to bring a wife to, let alone one like Julia. It's obvious Julia comes from money and has money, but as much as Murdoch seems to be in favor of equality between the sexes, I don't believe for a minute that he will live off her, or in her home when they are married. Something he must be thinking about now, especially when possibly meeting her father. So far this season the mystery part of Murdoch has been amazing, insightful and fun. The whole Leslie Garland thing made sense, and I thought the minute he snuck into Darcy's house without telling Julia first that he was up to no good. But I also think he's a spoiled little boy who's throwing a tantrum and that while we might not have seen the end of him, he's not nearly scary or clever enough to be a true Murdoch Mystery Villain. I look forward to next weeks episode but I am leery, much as I admire the MM writers, they seem to be convinced if Jillian become a couple the sky will fall and the world will end... so I'm hoping for the best but braced for not so happy surprises.  |
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Post by snacky on Apr 2, 2014 1:02:23 GMT
the second reason is taking into account his spiffy new look. The expensive looking suit and coat, and the sudden willingness to hob nob with the Mayor, I wonder if Murdoch is not trying to get his life in line to provide for a wife of Julia's social stature. This is a really interesting point, and I hope it gets dealt with in the show some way. I actually wondered about this when I saw William wearing his top hat to the opera, and then he also escorted Julia to the fancy French restaurant. We know from earlier seasons that William makes a pittance, and I doubt normal raises would put him in a much better position. He confirmed his pay was about the same when he was in the Yukon - though he might have brought some savings back with him. On a couple of occasions he's given some "starting up" money to people in trouble, which might have decimated those savings. Julia owns her own house, and she offers to buy tickets for dates (Ragtime). She may have a trust fund on top of her earnings, as well as whatever she got from Darcy's estate. Over the years her taste in clothes has gotten more expensive, though part of that might be about keeping William interested. I wonder who pays when they end up in Queen's Hotel - that place is sure to cost a fortune. I agree - if Julia always pays the tab, William must have some anxieties about that. In early seasons this seemed to be part of what made him hesitate to ask her out. If he's come to terms with Julia being the breadwinner of the relationship, I'd like to know how. Regarding the ProposalFail(!) of the episode, I have a theory you might like: perhaps William was planning to take Julia out and propose when he originally called her. But after the bomb emergency came up, he had to backpedal and come up with a new reason for calling her, because he didn't want the proposal to be mixed in with the demands of the case. He probably recognized Julia's hints but didn't want to mess a later proposal up by explaining how he was "planning to propose, but..." William may have had a different plan by the end of the episode, but Julia's plan to visit her father may have conflicted with it. He seemed a bit harassed while he was explaining he had to go attend the Mayor's thingamajig. Next week he clearly manages a trip to Julia's Father's house, despite the importuning Mayor. I think William's just trying to figure out how to take back the wheel of the relationship: sort of like he had to ask Julia to let him lead during their dance lessons. |
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Post by snacky on Apr 2, 2014 2:59:38 GMT
Another thought - William might not have cold feet about proposing, but he might have cold feet about meeting Julia's father. If, as Petruck suggested, William feels somewhat insecure about the class and financial gap between him and Julia, he might be afraid that Julia's father would voice that concern out loud and even try to prevent the marriage. The Mayor thing was the fastest excuse William could think of. (Though he might still be angling for a promotion: if not to "Inspector" then some government position.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 2, 2014 4:48:03 GMT
I would have suggested that Murdoch already went to see Julia's father and he said no and that's why he's called her out of the blue, to chastise her about dating someone below her station, and that's also why Murdoch seemed oblivious to Julia's hints...but it doesn't make any sense because if Murdoch was going to ask for her hand, he would have done so before the first proposal and also, her father ends up murdered. It's too coincidental that that would happen after calling her after several years of silence. More likely it's Leslie's doing, and he's held her father up at gun point or something and made him make the call in order to lure Julia out there and away from the city.
Anyway, I've also wondered about who pays for things and how Murdoch makes peace with it if he isn't giving his fair share. I believe he used up all his gold to secure that ladies bail in the yukon so I don't think he's taking interest on that or anything.
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Post by snacky on Apr 2, 2014 5:10:13 GMT
I would have suggested that Murdoch already went to see Julia's father and he said no and that's why he's called her out of the blue, to chastise her about dating someone below her station, and that's also why Murdoch seemed oblivious to Julia's hints...but it doesn't make any sense because if Murdoch was going to ask for her hand, he would have done so before the first proposal and also, her father ends up murdered. It's too coincidental that that would happen after calling her after several years of silence. More likely it's Leslie's doing, and he's held her father up at gun point or something and made him make the call in order to lure Julia out there and away from the city. Anyway, I've also wondered about who pays for things and how Murdoch makes peace with it if he isn't giving his fair share. I believe he used up all his gold to secure that ladies bail in the yukon so I don't think he's taking interest on that or anything. While I believe Leslie is capable of going further than he already has, I don't get the vibe he's going to hold people at gunpoint yet. But he would be one of the few people familiar enough with Julia's family relationships to try to manipulate her father. I like your thought that William has actually already met Julia's father - but he didn't get his blessing and then didn't tell Julia about it. In all the previous proposals, William was acting on the spur of the moment. This time he had the luxury of preparing the way a bit. It's also possible that he got so used to Julia treating him as an equal, that even a reference to his station could have come as a shock - giving William cold feet. Since Julia was estranged from her father, I wonder if William accidentally stumbled across him in some way...? I'll be disappointed if William really was just so obtuse he didn't realize what Julia was saying "yes" to. By the way...in the US bail is just a guarantee for people to show up in court. Assuming bail means the same thing in Canada, oince the Yukon lady didn't escape, William should have gotten the bail money back. The miner's town was price-gouging the miners, so William may not have had much left after a couple nights in a hotel. That suit he wore to the opera probably set him back his entire savings, though! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 2, 2014 5:29:08 GMT
I got the impression that he rents it. He doesn't go to formal occasions often enough to need to own one.
That is true about the spur of the moment proposals, didn't think about that!
Yeah, I've always thought Leslie was a coward...but maybe if he got really angry/drunk?
But actually, after reading the description on CBCMurdoch, I think Leslie doesn't have anything to do with it and that lame ending really was the ending for his character. But that whole arc was lame and obvious so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I also don't think her father wanting to chastise her has anything to do with the call either. I think Ogden's death is completely separate from all of their lives...and has more to do with someone else trying to cover up a secret. So I guess her father knew he was dying and wanted to confess something to her before he passed but doesn't get the chance.
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Post by snacky on Apr 2, 2014 5:55:33 GMT
I got the impression that he rents it. He doesn't go to formal occasions often enough to need to own one. That is true about the spur of the moment proposals, didn't think about that! Yeah, I've always thought Leslie was a coward...but maybe if he got really angry/drunk? But actually, after reading the description on CBCMurdoch, I think Leslie doesn't have anything to do with it and that lame ending really was the ending for his character. But that whole arc was lame and obvious so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I also don't think her father wanting to chastise her has anything to do with the call either. I think Ogden's death is completely separate from all of their lives...and has more to do with someone else trying to cover up a secret. So I guess her father knew he was dying and wanted to confess something to her before he passed but doesn't get the chance. I thought the end of the Gillies/Leslie arc was weak, but I did like that there were ongoing consequences for Julia marrying the wrong man. Regarding the secret - it could just be that he was dying. And if it were an inheritable disease, then that could present another (LAME!) obstacle for Julia and William. It is pretty unlikely that William actually approached Julia's father, but it's in character to think William would be dreading, and perhaps even intimidated, by such a meeting. He's used to being shut out of high society just for being Catholic. He probably imagines Julia's father as something like that Chief of Police that lauded him to his face but spit on him once he was out of the interview room. While Julia is fairly irreverent, her father could be an Upstanding Protestant Citizen. Her lack of religion might even be a reason for their estrangement. |
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Post by petruck on Apr 2, 2014 6:14:32 GMT
From the few conversations between Julia and Ruby about their father and the comment Dr Tash made in season 1or 2, I gather the estrangement has something to do with her going into pathology instead of follow a medical practice, and since her father is a Doctor too perhaps he wanted her to join him in his practice?
Honestly I don't think it even occurred to Murdoch that he had to ask for Julia's hand, considering she was nearly a divorcee, Religion however would play a huge part in his considerations and I agree that could very likely be giving him pause for thought.
As for his income, he seems to me a very frugal man, and we have no real way of judging his income, while he did earn little in early seasons, he has since proved his worth to the constabulary. I imagine he might have received a few raises, I also think that he was in the Yukon for more months than we saw who knows how much he put aside. Then there is the fact that he is a very clever man, I can quite imagine Murdoch investing his meager savings and turning them into a lucrative profit. And of course there are his inventions, George is forever going on about how Murdoch could make money from them, perhaps he did.
Pure speculation on my part, but food for thought none the less.
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