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Post by lovemondays on Jul 26, 2014 3:16:56 GMT
Have you ever seen the alternate ending to "The Tesla Effect" on the DVD? Yes it's sad he didn't go right away but SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO EITHER! No strong opinion here  . |
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Post by snacky on Jul 26, 2014 3:22:35 GMT
Have you ever seen the alternate ending to "The Tesla Effect" on the DVD? Yes it's sad he didn't go right away but SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO EITHER! No strong opinion here . I've seen some clips on YouTube: I suppose they were for if the show were cancelled. I think what happened was a lot more interesting actually! I don't blame Julia for not writing because she assumed they had broken it off. She was looking for a new life and someone else to date before she became an old maid. This situation was in William's ball court. William seems to have assumed they were psychically connected (like when they were discussing cases on the dance floor), and that she was thinking about their relationship just like he was...even though she told him she was setting him free to find a wife who could give him the big family she thought he wanted. When Julia didn't hear from William, she assumed he had found just that. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jul 26, 2014 3:33:42 GMT
Have you ever seen the alternate ending to "The Tesla Effect" on the DVD? Yes it's sad he didn't go right away but SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO EITHER! No strong opinion here . I've seen some clips on YouTube: I suppose they were for if the show were cancelled. I think what happened was a lot more interesting actually! I don't blame Julia for not writing because she assumed they had broken it off. She was looking for a new life and someone else to date before she became an old maid. This situation was in William's ball court. William seems to have assumed they were psychically connected (like when they were discussing cases on the dance floor), and that she was thinking about their relationship just like he was...even though she told him she was setting him free to find a wife who could give him the big family she thought he wanted. When Julia didn't hear from William, she assumed he had found just that. It's the perfect scenario for an angst-meister like you! The alternate ending is the antithesis of a cliffhanger but CITY, at the time, had to hedge their bets. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 26, 2014 3:45:27 GMT
It's the perfect scenario for an angst-meister like you! The alternate ending is the antithesis of a cliffhanger but CITY, at the time, had to hedge their bets. I must confess I love those lonely scenes at the start of Tattered and Torn. If I were the writers I would have squeezed everything I could out of that separation. But Julia MARRYING someone else? Totally unexpected! Whoa! That took huge guts/balls/cojones of steel. And also faith MM would go on long enough to resolve that in a reasonable way. I'm not sure it can ever be fully resolved. As carco mentioned, that shadow of whether Darcy "did it better" has got to be always lurking in the background for William. And I'm sure some people of strong religious background might find it a bit of a purity squick that Julia has slept with multiple men. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jul 26, 2014 3:53:51 GMT
It's the perfect scenario for an angst-meister like you! The alternate ending is the antithesis of a cliffhanger but CITY, at the time, had to hedge their bets. I must confess I love those lonely scenes at the start of Tattered and Torn. If I were the writers I would have squeezed everything I could out of that separation. But Julia MARRYING someone else? Totally unexpected! Whoa! That took huge guts/balls/cojones of steel. And also faith MM would go on long enough to resolve that in a reasonable way. I'm not sure it can ever be fully resolved. As carco mentioned, that shadow of whether Darcy "did it better" has got to be always lurking in the background for William. And I'm sure some people of strong religious background might find it a bit of a purity squick that Julia has slept with multiple men. Despite her logistical flaws, Julia is an honourable woman. The physical side of her relationship with Darcy notwithstanding, I think the crux of the issue has far more to do with her sense of guilt that he would still be alive if she had never gone to Buffalo. Duh!! Julia has some serious demons to slay, but I hope she doesn't take them out on William...more angst. William is Julia's true love, so I believe that in her mind, and because she has had multiple partners, his 'abilities' will surpass all others. The 'Darcy shadow' on their sexual relationship will be more on William's side, IMO. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 26, 2014 4:05:53 GMT
]The 'Darcy shadow' on their sexual relationship will be more on William's side, IMO. I agree - and that will just be the normal twinges of male rivalry/jealousy. And since the rival in this case is dead, at least William won't have to worry about Julia preferring to be with the rival. I guess there is just as much male fantasy about the "experienced woman" as the "pure virgin"? Julia fits into the former category at this point! More of a Spectacle's gifs are certainly underscoring how catty and jealous Julia could be during the first season and a half. While a thread could be (and has been) devoted to William's perv speculations, I think another could be devoted to Julia's own unfounded speculations about William's love-life. Interestingly, this gives some reinforcement to fan2TVshows speculation that Julia was worried in The Green Muse about catching an STD from William: she still wasn't sure what his history with the "dollymops" on the docks might have been...especially given that he knew Ettie. Some dreadful amount of men carried syphilis in those days: all the more reason for the promotion of chastity (by both sexes) before marriage. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jul 26, 2014 4:19:21 GMT
]The 'Darcy shadow' on their sexual relationship will be more on William's side, IMO. I agree - and that will just be the normal twinges of male rivalry/jealousy. And since the rival in this case is dead, at least William won't have to worry about Julia preferring to be with the rival. I guess there is just as much male fantasy about the "experienced woman" as the "pure virgin"? Julia fits into the former category at this point! More of a Spectacle's gifs are certainly underscoring how catty and jealous Julia could be during the first season and a half. While a thread could be (and has been) devoted to William's perv speculations, I think another could be devoted to Julia's own unfounded speculations about William's love-life. Interestingly, this gives some reinforcement to fan2TVshows speculation that Julia was worried in The Green Muse about catching an STD from William: she still wasn't sure what his history with the "dollymops" on the docks might have been...especially given that he knew Ettie. Some dreadful amount of men carried syphilis in those days: all the more reason for the promotion of chastity (by both sexes) before marriage. Possibly, but William explained his relationship with Ettie to Julia in "The Green Muse". He never slept with Ettie, definitely not in the books or in the series, IMO. Ettie would have been happy to 'accommodate' William but I don't see him doing that. I think one of the things that made him so attractive to Ettie was his level of respect for her as a person. She was never 'just a whore or a madam' in his eyes. Also, the way he said 'you've done very well for yourself Ettie' to me indicates there was no contact between them since he solved the murder of her friend Alice Black. Perhaps Julia, knowing she'd had multiple partners, was projecting that assumption on William? |
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Post by snacky on Jul 26, 2014 4:32:41 GMT
Perhaps Julia, knowing she'd had multiple partners, was projecting that assumption on William? Yes I think that's what More of a Spectacle was getting at, and I think it's a fair suspicion for women to have: especially if the man is a hottie. Even quiet, shy types can frequent the Music Academy! Julia certainly could have been projecting her own multiple partners on William. Julia would not have had enough knowledge of William's background to "sleep with him on a first date". In fact, there might have been a lingering question about why he wasn't married yet. --- More of a Spectacle seems to think Julia is hyper-jealous or suspicious of William's past. She does seem a bit nervous in the episodes, but as a Victorian woman I think those were questions I would have been asking... |
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Post by lovemondays on Jul 26, 2014 4:36:40 GMT
Maaaaybe, but it took quite a while for them both to 'live in their heads' to make the physical connection. Julia would know for sure that he wasn't an opportunistic-sleep-with-whomever kind of guy. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 26, 2014 4:41:07 GMT
Maaaaybe, but it took quite a while for them both to 'live in their heads' to make the physical connection. Julia would know for sure that he wasn't an opportunistic-sleep-with-whomever kind of guy. I'm not so sure Julia is a "live in her head" type of gal. I suspect she just said that to show William she understood him. I doubt Julia thought William was opportunistic, but she might have known about his "logging camp" past. Also, as Julia knew from her abortion - all it takes is once. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jul 26, 2014 4:53:47 GMT
Maaaaybe, but it took quite a while for them both to 'live in their heads' to make the physical connection. Julia would know for sure that he wasn't an opportunistic-sleep-with-whomever kind of guy. I'm not so sure Julia is a "live in her head" type of gal. I suspect she just said that to show William she understood him. I doubt Julia thought William was opportunistic, but she might have known about his "logging camp" past. Also, as Julia knew from her abortion - all it takes is once. On the whole, I don't think Julia was a 'live in her head' kind of lady either until it came to William. She seemed to accept that he was on slow-mo re their physical relationship but there was still a definite pre-existing emotional one. She's the one who broke it off in "Shades of Grey" but only a short time later she was having a lip-lock fantasy in "Murdoch.com". I really do need to start the "Julia's Epic Horrible Decisions" thread. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 26, 2014 5:05:22 GMT
On the whole, I don't think Julia was a 'live in her head' kind of lady either until it came to William. She seemed to accept that he was on slow-mo re their physical relationship but there was still a definite pre-existing emotional one. She's the one who broke it off in "Shades of Grey" but only a short time later she was having a lip-lock fantasy in "Murdoch.com". I really do need to start the "Julia's Epic Horrible Decisions" thread. I think the Julia Epic Horrible Decisions thread would have to be premised on Julia Epic Assumptions!  But I think all the assumptions and horrible decisions related to the fact she was a spinster in her late 30s, she had a lot riding on this relationship, and she was really afraid it wouldn't work out after all that. No question her secret crush had been William for a long time, if that counts as "living in your head".  |
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Post by lovemondays on Jul 26, 2014 5:18:11 GMT
I really like the sound of "Julia's Epic Assumptions".
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Post by snacky on Jul 26, 2014 5:34:41 GMT
I really like the sound of "Julia's Epic Assumptions". As long as William doesn't get confused...  |
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Post by lovemondays on Jul 26, 2014 5:41:59 GMT
Hahahah...I was thinking something by Picasso might fit the bill!
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