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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 0:47:42 GMT
A number of threads have debated whether Emily should be dating George or whether she should be dating at all (when she could be proclaiming herself the new "independent woman").
But another thought is: did the MM writers miss the chance to hint Emily might be a lesbian, which, unlike male homosexuality, wouldn't even have had a "culture" back in 1900. (Though there were of course naughty tales of Sapphism in the Sorority, etc.). I don't think it's something that needs to be paraded in anyone's faces: enough TV shows have already been cutting edge: the edge is now cut. But MM could have left Emily single and left the door open in that direction by making all her significant relationships female, while she politely turns down all attempts at courtship from the guys in Station House 4.
Then fans could spend endless hours speculating: Is She or Isn't She? Fan investment gold, MM marketing dudes.
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 20, 2014 2:18:02 GMT
I agree with you. It could have been a great plot line. There's still time...
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 2:34:51 GMT
I agree with you. It could have been a great plot line. There's still time... Yeah maybe Emily realized she wasn't being true to herself while dating George, lol. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 20, 2014 2:42:08 GMT
Having also suffered the embarrassment of dating Leslie the cad Emily is now in a position to swear off men  . |
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 2:51:00 GMT
Having also suffered the embarrassment of dating Leslie the cad Emily is now in a position to swear off men . On the other hand, according to Henry, he did look "too pretty for a man". Perhaps that was a clue. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jun 20, 2014 4:12:13 GMT
Lol it's funny you should say this cuz I wrote a short fic about this very topic! She does kind of give off that vibe. Especially when she was talking to that earth digger lady... And so I basically made her confess to George that she was a Sapphist months after the events of the Blind Pig. Strangely enough, not many people liked my take on things. Well, I didn't get much feedback anyway and no one commented on the second chapter where he accuses her of cheating with a woman while they were together so I assume they were deciding to just ignore me rather than be rude.  If y'all are interested it's here: www.fanfiction.net/s/10036518/1/Fickle-FeelingsBut I agree, they missed a golden opportunity here. Rather than force this Gemily thing they could have taken it down a completely different road. I'm not sure they can even attempt to make her gay after she's tried to win him back. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 4:54:03 GMT
Lol it's funny you should say this cuz I wrote a short fic about this very topic! She does kind of give off that vibe. Especially when she was talking to that earth digger lady... And so I basically made her confess to George that she was a Sapphist months after the events of the Blind Pig. Strangely enough, not many people liked my take on things. Well, I didn't get much feedback anyway and no one commented on the second chapter where he accuses her of cheating with a woman while they were together so I assume they were deciding to just ignore me rather than be rude. If y'all are interested it's here: www.fanfiction.net/s/10036518/1/Fickle-FeelingsBut I agree, they missed a golden opportunity here. Rather than force this Gemily thing they could have taken it down a completely different road. I'm not sure they can even attempt to make her gay after she's tried to win him back. Yes, the earth digger lady shouldn't have been a romantic prize, either. >.< That was a total bummer. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this as a really obvious "road not taken". |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 22, 2014 17:24:23 GMT
Lol it's funny you should say this cuz I wrote a short fic about this very topic! If y'all are interested it's here: www.fanfiction.net/s/10036518/1/Fickle-FeelingsBut I agree, they missed a golden opportunity here. Rather than force this Gemily thing they could have taken it down a completely different road. I'm not sure they can even attempt to make her gay after she's tried to win him back. I think you did an excellent job resolving both the existing George-Emily ship arc and launching the potential Emily as a sapphist arc. Very interesting pick-up on the freelove topic! The writers have explored so many interesting, 'modern', themes I'm surprised they haven't taking the risk of exploring this one. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 22, 2014 18:37:06 GMT
The writers have explored so many interesting, 'modern', themes I'm surprised they haven't taking the risk of exploring this one. One thing that annoyed me about the attack on CosmicCalvalcade's Tumblr yesterday was the assumption that she wanted to turn MM into the Gay Pride Parade. Joss Whedon already made the political statement with the Willow character on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. More over, there was not a political identity of "coming out" circa 1900. I don't want to speak for CC, but what I've been suggesting here, is that Emily could simply be left *not needing a man*. Her primary relationships can be shown to be with women. Let fans conclude whether she is focusing on her career, whether she is simply not interested in any of the men around her, or whether she is pursues intimate relationships with women off screen. Leave the door open to the idea Emily might be a sapphist, and then let the fans fight it out. I certainly don't like the idea of her mooning over any man, including George. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jun 22, 2014 20:52:15 GMT
Lol it's funny you should say this cuz I wrote a short fic about this very topic! If y'all are interested it's here: www.fanfiction.net/s/10036518/1/Fickle-FeelingsBut I agree, they missed a golden opportunity here. Rather than force this Gemily thing they could have taken it down a completely different road. I'm not sure they can even attempt to make her gay after she's tried to win him back. I think you did an excellent job resolving both the existing George-Emily ship arc and launching the potential Emily as a sapphist arc. Very interesting pick-up on the freelove topic! The writers have explored so many interesting, 'modern', themes I'm surprised they haven't taking the risk of exploring this one. Why thank you, senior member. Get it? Instead of detective? Well, it's probably because it was illegal back then so if Murdoch and/or Brackenreid found out or suspected it, it would be another case of Ava Moon. Do they turn her in and betray a hard working colleague of theirs? Or do they ignore the letter of the law and let matters lie? If they had S1 mentalities I would say they would have turned her in but now I can't see it. Julia would never talk to Murdoch again if he did and Brackenreid would suffer a similar fate I imagine. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jun 22, 2014 21:03:04 GMT
The writers have explored so many interesting, 'modern', themes I'm surprised they haven't taking the risk of exploring this one. One thing that annoyed me about the attack on CosmicCalvalcade's Tumblr yesterday was the assumption that she wanted to turn MM into the Gay Pride Parade. Joss Whedon already made the political statement with the Willow character on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. More over, there was not a political identity of "coming out" circa 1900. I don't want to speak for CC, but what I've been suggesting here, is that Emily could simply be left *not needing a man*. Her primary relationships can be shown to be with women. Let fans conclude whether she is focusing on her career, whether she is simply not interested in any of the men around her, or whether she is pursues intimate relationships with women off screen. Leave the door open to the idea Emily might be a sapphist, and then let the fans fight it out. I certainly don't like the idea of her mooning over any man, including George. It doesn't seem to suit her personality to moon over anyone. She's still pretty much all business like Murdoch was in the first season. That hasn't really changed. She's a little softer I suppose, saving Webster and whatnot but overall she just doesn't seem like the relationship type of person. They should have just let her focus on her career like you say. Oh well, guess we'll have to suffer through those forced scenes with George for the rest of the series. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 22, 2014 21:03:35 GMT
Well, it's probably because it was illegal back then so if Murdoch and/or Brackenreid found out or suspected it, it would be another case of Ava Moon. Do they turn her in and betray a hard working colleague of theirs? Or do they ignore the letter of the law and let matters lie? I'm not sure it was illegal for women. It was illegal for men because they were practicing sodomy. I think society didn't know quite what to make of it where women were concerned. Women were often secluded from men and lived and/or socialized in groups, and this led to speculation about their activities if not actual experimentation. Such experimentation could easily be dismissed as an unspoken "stage" women go through before marriage. Some pornography produced for men featured sapphism. Spinsters living together wouldn't have raised many questions either. Declaring it a marriage or engaging in public displays of affection is a different matter, though. I'm not sure what laws this would have broken, though. Lewdness? Obscenity? Unnaturalness? Anyway, sapphism was not treated in the same way as male homosexuality, and it didn't have the same semi-official underground culture. Even homosexuality was a "boy's club", lol! XD Ps. I saw Blue Bolinger's "defense" comment - that was the right thing to say, and I'm glad someone on Tumblr stood up and said it. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 22, 2014 21:10:54 GMT
She's a little softer I suppose, saving Webster and whatnot but overall she just doesn't seem like the relationship type of person. Oh well, guess we'll have to suffer through those forced scenes with George for the rest of the series. I hope the writers roll back the soft and pivot back to the macabre side of Emily. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, Webster. I think I was blocking out his sad fate. *temporarily depressed* I hope you're wrong about ongoing Gemily. I thought Season 7 killed it already.  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jun 22, 2014 21:26:34 GMT
Well, it's probably because it was illegal back then so if Murdoch and/or Brackenreid found out or suspected it, it would be another case of Ava Moon. Do they turn her in and betray a hard working colleague of theirs? Or do they ignore the letter of the law and let matters lie? I'm not sure it was illegal for women. It was illegal for men because they were practicing sodomy. I think society didn't know quite what to make of it where women were concerned. Women were often secluded from men and lived and/or socialized in groups, and this led to speculation about their activities if not actual experimentation. Such experimentation could easily be dismissed as an unspoken "stage" women go through before marriage. Some pornography produced for men featured sapphism. Spinsters living together wouldn't have raised many questions either. Declaring it a marriage or engaging in public displays of affection is a different matter, though. I'm not sure what laws this would have broken, though. Lewdness? Obscenity? Unnaturalness? Anyway, sapphism was not treated in the same way as male homosexuality, and it didn't have the same semi-official underground culture. Even homosexuality was a "boy's club", lol! XD Ps. I saw Blue Bolinger's "defense" comment - that was the right thing to say, and I'm glad someone on Tumblr stood up and said it. Well if that's the case then the writers really don't have ANY excuses for not going down that road besides simply not thinking of it....or being told by the producers that they couldn't. But this is Canada and even in 1900 I think we could have been representing a bit. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jun 22, 2014 21:28:32 GMT
She's a little softer I suppose, saving Webster and whatnot but overall she just doesn't seem like the relationship type of person. Oh well, guess we'll have to suffer through those forced scenes with George for the rest of the series. I hope the writers roll back the soft and pivot back to the macabre side of Emily. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, Webster. I think I was blocking out his sad fate. *temporarily depressed* I hope you're wrong about ongoing Gemily. I thought Season 7 killed it already. Unless Tess or Ruby comes back into the picture he's definitely going to end up with Emily out of convenience. |
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