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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 15:41:29 GMT
I prefer Julia as the coroner - I find it's a bit creepy she can get into William's head! I don't want her reduced to a sidekick, either. As a coroner in many ways William was dependent on her knowledge: her scientific authority laid the groundwork for his deductions. William called her a "brilliant pathologist" - I'm not sure if he'd ever think of her work in psychiatry the same way. Psychological profiles are more like additional information to have. I really love how Murdoch Mysteries can be enjoyed by whole families without being sappy and maudlin (or overbearing on the "Christian message") like most American shows conceived along the same lines. I originally investigated MM as a show my Mom might like, but it turned out that I like it even more! Now it gives us something in common, bridging a pretty sharp "generation gap". |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 15:48:36 GMT
I think he was stalling as well. He goes to all that effort to get her back and makes the grand gesture of jumping into the balloon with her to get her back, and then...settles right back into complacency. I could see how Julia got frustrated with him by the end of the season, but I don't agree with how she handled it. But, we've had that discussion before. I don't think he was stalling. I think he was busy and not even thinking about it. Getting married is what courting people did in those days. I don't think William understood how much time had gone by until Julia started talking about him changing his mind about her and meeting someone else: and then he realized it's time to propose, and that thought made him really happy. He just doesn't do anything new until prompted. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 15:52:52 GMT
I do worry somewhat that MM has run it's course but if they get back to basics and have the relationship as a background story rather than a B plot I think it could go on for years. I haven't really been a fan of Emily. I see why they brought her in, they needed someone else to be the pathologist when Julia left then became a psychiatrist. She's done her job and I have to admit that I am liking her more in season 7 (despite Leslie Garland). I especially like the fact that she and Julia have become friends and confidants. I loved her in Friday the 13th, 1901, she gave Julia some wonderful advice and I really liked the line that if Julia didn't tell William Gillies had already won. Best piece of advice in the show. I like the idea of Emily and think she's cute and fun-but you're right. They've got to get a handle on who she is and give her a backstory that sticks as opposed to one that's constantly changing. Myself, I like the bubbly Emily with a ghoulish streak. She's fun, and there needs to be more of that. I'd like to see her do evil lab experiments with glowing flasks and test tubes. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 15:56:17 GMT
On the S1 DVD there's a commentary for Power featuring YB, JH, Cal Coons and someone who's name escapes me. YB commented on the kissing saying something to the effect that open mouthed kissing hadn't come to Victorian Toronto. I've always taken that to be why the kissing is so chaste. In Ragtime, I thought William has a "you're killing me here" look in on his face. But I thought it was more from sexual frustration than boredom. As for the openmouthed kissing, or even French-kissing, I refuse to believe that it was never done before WWI. For thousands of years, people have been kissing and it was only the 1910's before someone thought to slip in a little tongue? Nonsense.  It may have not been discussed publicly or even written, but I think it was happening.  But was it part of the seduction technique you would use with a woman of proper upbringing? I don't think it would be if it wasn't part of the vocabulary of their romantic imagination yet - or you would make them feel more like a dollymop than a princess. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 15:58:47 GMT
I've searched, can't find anything online. I was kinda hoping they'd go to Paris for their honeymoon and learn 'French kissing." Yeah, I searched too. There's no mention of it before WWI, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't happening-I think people just got a lot bolder and more public after the war and the rise of the liberated flapper. Prior to that, I still think some people got frisky behind closed doors, and I have no doubt that Julia would have been one of those forward thinkers. I can see her teach William how to do that. On the downside I can also see William being bad at it, and - from experience - nothing is worse then men who are bad French kissers but think they are doing something sexy. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 16:02:13 GMT
In Ragtime, I thought William has a "you're killing me here" look in on his face. But I thought it was more from sexual frustration than boredom. As for the openmouthed kissing, or even French-kissing, I refuse to believe that it was never done before WWI. For thousands of years, people have been kissing and it was only the 1910's before someone thought to slip in a little tongue? Nonsense. It may have not been discussed publicly or even written, but I think it was happening. But was it part of the seduction technique you would use with a woman of proper upbringing? I don't think it would be if it wasn't part of the vocabulary of their romantic imagination yet - or you would make them feel more like a dollymop than a princess. I think it would depend upon the woman-as much as it would today. Perhaps Julia would be the one to initiate it with William. In fact, that's how I imagine it happening.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 16:04:31 GMT
Yeah, I searched too. There's no mention of it before WWI, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't happening-I think people just got a lot bolder and more public after the war and the rise of the liberated flapper. Prior to that, I still think some people got frisky behind closed doors, and I have no doubt that Julia would have been one of those forward thinkers. I can see her teach William how to do that. On the downside I can also see William being bad at it, and - from experience - nothing is worse then men who are bad French kissers but think they are doing something sexy. But William would go home and read his copy of the Kama Sutra and practice. Plus, he's a fast learner, so it wouldn't take him long. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:06:27 GMT
I suspected William did care what what Julia was wearing-look how he also seemed so surprised and was so complimentary when she was dressed up or out of her usual environment (Elementary, My Dear Murdoch and That Annoying Red Planet) but also in TGM when he compliments her and brazenly checks out her ass. While I think he was starting to like her before then, and wouldn't blame her for not dressing up to handle dead bodies in the morgue, he doesn't really start to notice her until she's dressed up. TV William is quite clothes horse-he cares about his appearance. The robe and PJ's may not have been a high priority for him because fewer people saw them. However, I like the idea of Julia gifting him new loungewear for their wedding. Even is he is channeling Hugh Hefner.I find William as clothes horse a bit of a contradiction since supposedly he's an ascetic in everything else and there's "nothing to steal" in his room at the boarding house. But I'll agree he uses clothes to identify with the class he wants to be a part of. The Inspector does criticize William for failing to dress up for a high class party at the start of Season 5, so it may be that he also refused to dress above his target class before he was dating Julia. I think you're right about William noticing Julia more once she starts to dress up (and when she starts to date other people). That's sort of disappointing.  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:13:38 GMT
Dang you for intimidating me with the size of your opus. Still need to make some inroads into that... Perhaps someone could make a list of order of best approach for me...? oh oh am i someone? i'd suggest the shorter ones first and if you can stand those, work your way up. well some of them are supposed to be read in order, those two 'future' fics being a good example. if you gave me an idea of the sort of thing you're interested in reading right now, i could try to gave a suggestion or two. I like shippy fanfic? Usually when you or Fallenbelle mention one, they sound intriguing. Shorter is better. I like the ones I've read. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:14:54 GMT
Isn't that the episode that relates to the Freemasons? So the freemasons are mining? Maybe it's for King Solomon's Gold? |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 16:15:34 GMT
I think you're right about William noticing Julia more once she starts to dress up (and when she starts to date other people). That's sort of disappointing. I don't think it was some sort of conscious shallow thing...I think he liked her company, as well as respected her, but once she starts showing that she's definitely a woman and that others might be interested in her, William's forced to admit that he's interested in her as something more than a coworker. It's what spurs him into action-it's like you (or Talbotrail) just said-he has an eye for the ladies, but he's clueless how to go about pursuing them. It's what his mother would have told him had she survived, or his sister if she hadn't become a nun, or what the girls in school would have taught him had he not gone to an all boys Jesuit school. Poor William hasn't had much experience with the ladies. Or at the least, much experience with acceptable ladies. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:19:22 GMT
Yeah, I searched too. There's no mention of it before WWI, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't happening-I think people just got a lot bolder and more public after the war and the rise of the liberated flapper. Prior to that, I still think some people got frisky behind closed doors, and I have no doubt that Julia would have been one of those forward thinkers. As long as she'd kissed another forward thinker. I very much doubt Darcy was one! Guess it depends on who she was with in university. I'm sure Julia has been to France. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:26:28 GMT
Certainly William compliments her when she's dressed up, she's even more beautiful and he does have an eye for the ladies. I find it interesting that William has an aesthetic appreciation for women in beautiful drapery, but focuses on brush strokes and materieals when it comes to the fine arts. Still a little bummed that William had to "realize that Julia was beautiful, too"...instead of just growing to appreciate her as she was in the morgue. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 19, 2014 16:26:37 GMT
oh oh am i someone? i'd suggest the shorter ones first and if you can stand those, work your way up. well some of them are supposed to be read in order, those two 'future' fics being a good example. if you gave me an idea of the sort of thing you're interested in reading right now, i could try to gave a suggestion or two. I like shippy fanfic? Usually when you or Fallenbelle mention one, they sound intriguing. Shorter is better. I like the ones I've read. well that's basically all of them...  go with the one fallenbelle suggested. it's pretty short and shippy too and julia is a 'woman of action'. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:38:06 GMT
But was it part of the seduction technique you would use with a woman of proper upbringing? I don't think it would be if it wasn't part of the vocabulary of their romantic imagination yet - or you would make them feel more like a dollymop than a princess. I think it would depend upon the woman-as much as it would today. Perhaps Julia would be the one to initiate it with William. In fact, that's how I imagine it happening. I can see that. Poor William, trying to be all respectful and stuff, and then Julia has to play the exotic French kissing card...*cues our favorite song* |
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