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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:41:32 GMT
I can see her teach William how to do that. On the downside I can also see William being bad at it, and - from experience - nothing is worse then men who are bad French kissers but think they are doing something sexy. But William would go home and read his copy of the Kama Sutra and practice. Plus, he's a fast learner, so it wouldn't take him long.True.
Hence the need to be convalescing after their honeymoon.  Does anyone have a copy of the Kama Sutra? Any kissing techniques in there? |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:46:39 GMT
Poor William hasn't had much experience with the ladies. Or at the least, much experience with acceptable ladies.I was going to say something about Liza, but then I realized perhaps the reason William doesn't have much experience pursuing the ladies is that they were always pursuing him, and he was always fending them off (so he wouldn't ruin his aspirations to a middle class career), so he never gave much thought to the idea of pursuing himself. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 16:53:30 GMT
I like shippy fanfic? Usually when you or Fallenbelle mention one, they sound intriguing. Shorter is better. I like the ones I've read. well that's basically all of them...  go with the one fallenbelle suggested. it's pretty short and shippy too and julia is a 'woman of action'. Okay that's on the top of my hit list then - Fallenbelle's mentioned that one before, too. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 19, 2014 17:15:29 GMT
As long as she'd kissed another forward thinker. I very much doubt Darcy was one! Guess it depends on who she was with in university. I'm sure Julia has been to France.  But has she kissed someone in France?  |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 19, 2014 17:23:15 GMT
Certainly William compliments her when she's dressed up, she's even more beautiful and he does have an eye for the ladies. I find it interesting that William has an aesthetic appreciation for women in beautiful drapery, but focuses on brush strokes and materieals when it comes to the fine arts. That's his analytical mind at work. He can appreciate all the technical stuff behind art but I don't think he knows how to appreciate art for art's sake. Remember, he's learned all this from books and books don't help you feel something. Appreciating the beauty of art comes from how it makes you feel. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 17:44:16 GMT
I find it interesting that William has an aesthetic appreciation for women in beautiful drapery, but focuses on brush strokes and materieals when it comes to the fine arts. That's his analytical mind at work. He can appreciate all the technical stuff behind art but I don't think he knows how to appreciate art for art's sake. Remember, he's learned all this from books and books don't help you feel something. Appreciating the beauty of art comes from how it makes you feel. I think William could appreciate a beautiful woman even if he didn't know her personally, though. He didn't have to book learn that. Maybe the art has to be 3D! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 17:45:53 GMT
I'm sure Julia has been to France. But has she kissed someone in France? She did if FallenBelle is going to write some fanfic about "expert" Julia teaching William a few exotic techniques (and melting his socks off in the process...). |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 19, 2014 17:47:36 GMT
But has she kissed someone in France? She did if FallenBelle is going to write some fanfic about "expert" Julia teaching William a few exotic techniques (and melting his socks off in the process...). I could go for that. I expect she'll have to teach/encourage him anyway. |
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Post by murdochic on Sept 19, 2014 17:57:34 GMT
I think you're right about William noticing Julia more once she starts to dress up (and when she starts to date other people). That's sort of disappointing.  I don't think it was some sort of conscious shallow thing...I think he liked her company, as well as respected her, but once she starts showing that she's definitely a woman and that others might be interested in her, William's forced to admit that he's interested in her as something more than a coworker. It's what spurs him into action-it's like you (or Talbotrail) just said-he has an eye for the ladies, but he's clueless how to go about pursuing them. It's what his mother would have told him had she survived, or his sister if she hadn't become a nun, or what the girls in school would have taught him had he not gone to an all boys Jesuit school. Poor William hasn't had much experience with the ladies. Or at the least, much experience with acceptable ladies.There were signs William was interested in Julia from the 1st episode of MM. The only reason they were dragged out into S2 was because William was respectfully still mourning Liza. William has said that he'd always been interested in Julia from the moment they met. As for women, I think he did have experience. He was just outwardly reserved because of Liza, and his personality. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 17:58:15 GMT
She did if FallenBelle is going to write some fanfic about "expert" Julia teaching William a few exotic techniques (and melting his socks off in the process...). I could go for that. I expect she'll have to teach/encourage him anyway. Hrm... I can't use it in the one I'm working on now because William's already kissed her á la mode française "subconsciously". |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 18:00:36 GMT
She did if FallenBelle is going to write some fanfic about "expert" Julia teaching William a few exotic techniques (and melting his socks off in the process...). I could go for that. I expect she'll have to teach/encourage him anyway. He seriously has been a monk for half his life. Logging camp adventures aside. In real life, I think adjusting to marriage would be super-hard for both of them. It would be hard for William because he's used to a lot more privacy and order: and it might be more than a little stressful trying to go through some sex education as a 40 year old man. Julia, on the other hand, is now going to be living with a critical, detail-oriented, perfectionist. While she's tolerant of his religion, who knows where that's going to pop up in their home life as well. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 18:10:38 GMT
I don't think it was some sort of conscious shallow thing...I think he liked her company, as well as respected her, but once she starts showing that she's definitely a woman and that others might be interested in her, William's forced to admit that he's interested in her as something more than a coworker. It's what spurs him into action-it's like you (or Talbotrail) just said-he has an eye for the ladies, but he's clueless how to go about pursuing them. It's what his mother would have told him had she survived, or his sister if she hadn't become a nun, or what the girls in school would have taught him had he not gone to an all boys Jesuit school. Poor William hasn't had much experience with the ladies. Or at the least, much experience with acceptable ladies.There were signs William was interested in Julia from the 1st episode of MM. The only reason they were dragged out into S2 was because William was respectfully still mourning Liza. William has said that he'd always been interested in Julia from the moment they met. As for women, I think he did have experience. He was just outwardly reserved because of Liza, and his personality. I would have agreed with you a week ago, but Talbotrail posted about the original European episode one order of DVDs, and the relationship progression between W/J makes a lot more sense in that light. Apparently they aired in that order in Europe as well, and the order was changed later for North America. However, you're right that William said that about Julia, and since it's canon, it cannot be discounted. However, it always struck me as a bit odd, because wouldn't that have meant W/J met while he was still engaged to Liza? I smell another continuity error.  But I do agree, I think William liked her from early on as well-it just took him a while to realize it consciously. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 18:11:03 GMT
There were signs William was interested in Julia from the 1st episode of MM. The only reason they were dragged out into S2 was because William was respectfully still mourning Liza. William has said that he'd always been interested in Julia from the moment they met. As for women, I think he did have experience. He was just outwardly reserved because of Liza, and his personality. If you mean that line when William was drinking with George, I think that was a flub on the part of the writers: because that would mean William was thinking of Julia when he was dating Enid. There are some people who like to think he had an honest (if short) relationship with Anna, too. So that line was just William in retrospect claiming there was never a moment he wasn't in love with Julia - not a record of what actually happened. I do think he was intrigued by Julia in Season 1 (definitely by Still Waters!!!), but by then he had known her for a while. I'm not sure when Liza died within that timeline, though. Regarding William's prior experience, please join us for the next meeting of the Cult of the Logging Camp Sisterhood. |
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Post by bloodyfruitfly on Sept 19, 2014 18:12:30 GMT
I prefer Julia as the coroner - I find it's a bit creepy she can get into William's head! I don't want her reduced to a sidekick, either. As a coroner in many ways William was dependent on her knowledge: her scientific authority laid the groundwork for his deductions. William called her a "brilliant pathologist" - I'm not sure if he'd ever think of her work in psychiatry the same way. Psychological profiles are more like additional information to have. I never thought of that about Julia over psycho-analyzing Murdoch. Hopefully she won't be annoying about it. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 18:15:32 GMT
I prefer Julia as the coroner - I find it's a bit creepy she can get into William's head! I don't want her reduced to a sidekick, either. As a coroner in many ways William was dependent on her knowledge: her scientific authority laid the groundwork for his deductions. William called her a "brilliant pathologist" - I'm not sure if he'd ever think of her work in psychiatry the same way. Psychological profiles are more like additional information to have. I never thought of that about Julia over psycho-analyzing Murdoch. Hopefully she won't be annoying about it. Have you seen the butterflies episode yet (Season 7)? It's one of my least favorite precisely because it does give William a phony fear just for the sake of Julia being able to psychoanalyze it. |
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