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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 19, 2014 18:45:11 GMT
Their relationship evolved over the course of the series, but when he's drinking with George he makes it sound like he's been kneeling at her altar the whole time - definitely fan service. I agree definitely fan service that's why I'm in the writer's flub camp but I do like the other theory. Sometimes we have to fit our theories around the canon. That really p i s s e d me off while it was happening. Had to believe he wasn't being literal (for once). It was difficult, but I think I've managed it. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 18:45:55 GMT
Yeah, as much as I love my duality theory (and I'm not yet ready to abandon it  ) I'm starting to come around to the idea that William's been with other women, if not Julia. As recently as season 5-with Anna Fulford. OH please, when is the next meeting of the Cult of he Logging Camp Sisterhood? I believe FallenBelle is the Eternal President of that cult? I lead the Cult of the Magic Homburg. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 18:47:27 GMT
I completely agree about the kissing-no way that's a new discovery! It's only been in the last 100 years that people have started to be more open about their sexuality. Also, so, I just finished rewatching Murdoch Identity, and I agree, he's "brash" and forward and yes, there was no hesitation in making the moves on her. He knew what he was doing. I too, would have liked that scene to go on a bit longer. Stupid villains! There's absolutely no way it's a new discovery. It developed from weaning babies, it's been going on for eons. However it doesn't mean that it was known all over the world as a way to court your lady friend. But if it had gone on longer we wouldn't be having all these delicious discussions about Williams sex life, or lack thereof. That being said I too wish it had gone on a bit longer....  You speak the truth. It's more fun this way.  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 18:51:57 GMT
Hmm, that's true - Julia certainly seems to know a thing or two about manipulating men herself. I'm just bummed if "pretty clothes" is the thing that would work on William. Seems shallow. I want him to be primarily attracted to her intelligence. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 18:52:45 GMT
I agree definitely fan service that's why I'm in the writer's flub camp but I do like the other theory. Sometimes we have to fit our theories around the canon. That really p i s s e d me off while it was happening. Had to believe he wasn't being literal (for once). It was difficult, but I think I've managed it. It didn't anger me, (that was 6.12 and 6.13) but it definitely threw me for a loop. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Sept 19, 2014 18:54:11 GMT
OH please, when is the next meeting of the Cult of he Logging Camp Sisterhood? I believe FallenBelle is the Eternal President of that cult? I lead the Cult of the Magic Homburg. Did you see his new hat? I forgot how to add photos, but it is on YB's twitter page. I love his hat. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 18:54:18 GMT
Their relationship evolved over the course of the series, but when he's drinking with George he makes it sound like he's been kneeling at her altar the whole time - definitely fan service. I agree definitely fan service that's why I'm in the writer's flub camp but I do like the other theory. Sometimes we have to fit our theories around the canon. lol - well, I also agree that William has at least had an eye on Julia all along. From the first episode he's been trying to find out how to court her, if not actually courting her. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 19, 2014 18:56:20 GMT
Also, so, I just finished rewatching Murdoch Identity, and I agree, he's "brash" and forward and yes, there was no hesitation in making the moves on her. He knew what he was doing. I too, would have liked that scene to go on a bit longer. Stupid villains! This is still one of my favorite episodes because the "Outside of Murdoch" experience says so much about William's regular identity at the same time. And plus there's angst, romance, and he get's to do a little heroic ass-kicking, too. And there's a bicycle chase! And, as Murdochic likes to point out, William remembers Julia in lingerie... It's one of my favourite, if not favourite, episodes as it shows what William could be if he'd only let go. I can watch this ep over and over and never get tired of it. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 19, 2014 18:56:26 GMT
Hmm, that's true - Julia certainly seems to know a thing or two about manipulating men herself. I'm just bummed if "pretty clothes" is the thing that would work on William. Seems shallow. I want him to be primarily attracted to her intelligence. Well when he describes her to Pensell, he doesn't start with 'beautiful', that came after witty and intelligent I think. But that's also before Julia starting dressing nicer so... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 18:56:53 GMT
I completely agree about the kissing-no way that's a new discovery! It's only been in the last 100 years that people have started to be more open about their sexuality. Also, so, I just finished rewatching Murdoch Identity, and I agree, he's "brash" and forward and yes, there was no hesitation in making the moves on her. He knew what he was doing. I too, would have liked that scene to go on a bit longer. Stupid villains! There's absolutely no way it's a new discovery. It developed from weaning babies, it's been going on for eons. However it doesn't mean that it was known all over the world as a way to court your lady friend. But if it had gone on longer we wouldn't be having all these delicious discussions about Williams sex life, or lack thereof. That being said I too wish it had gone on a bit longer.... But it didn't have to be a way to woo your sweetheart-it could have been done when you were in the throes of passion. Such as being a sexually frustrated William or Julia. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 19, 2014 18:59:45 GMT
That really p i s s e d me off while it was happening. Had to believe he wasn't being literal (for once). It was difficult, but I think I've managed it. It didn't anger me, (that was 6.12 and 6.13) but it definitely threw me for a loop. I was practically yelling at the tv being like what are you TALKING about you big dumb dumb!!  How many (non-alcoholic) spruce beers did you drink?! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 19:00:30 GMT
I could buy into this theory. he's not completely without experience, but he's got some "knowledge" of women, and this allows my duality theory to persist! Thanks, Snacky! Still, what do we do about Anna in season 5, besides it being heavily implied that they slept together, didn't someone go on record saying that's exactly what happened? My Catholic country friend Eclair (tonight's our MM-watching night) had some comments on this. He's pretty busy right now, but I'm hoping he will post eventually. I don't think we should backwards-project our easy assumptions about having sex. There are a lot of up-to-the point alternatives that couples might engage in. If we're talking about an era where pregnancy, STDs, and religious/cultural beliefs were serious concerns, then even "sleeping with" Anna might not have entailed going all the way. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 19:00:50 GMT
Hmm, that's true - Julia certainly seems to know a thing or two about manipulating men herself. I'm just bummed if "pretty clothes" is the thing that would work on William. Seems shallow. I want him to be primarily attracted to her intelligence. I don't think that's all he's attracted to-any number of women could do it for him if that was the case. I think Julia was starting to notice that William was interested I her, but she needed her feminine wiles to lasso him in and make him realize that she was more than a pathologist and fellow nerd, she could do other things as well. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 19:01:52 GMT
That really p i s s e d me off while it was happening. Had to believe he wasn't being literal (for once). It was difficult, but I think I've managed it. It didn't anger me, (that was 6.12 and 6.13) but it definitely threw me for a loop. It made me think there was actual beer in that mug and William was whining. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 19, 2014 19:02:57 GMT
This is still one of my favorite episodes because the "Outside of Murdoch" experience says so much about William's regular identity at the same time. And plus there's angst, romance, and he get's to do a little heroic ass-kicking, too. And there's a bicycle chase! And, as Murdochic likes to point out, William remembers Julia in lingerie... It's one of my favourite, if not favourite, episodes as it shows what William could be if he'd only let go. I can watch this ep over and over and never get tired of it. As I was rewatching it just now, I kept thinking it was a masterpiece. Definitely a fave! |
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How many (non-alcoholic) spruce beers did you drink?! 
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