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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 12, 2014 5:13:42 GMT
She's really saying to him "Yes, I'm a woman in love and I can (be quite tenacious)." They'd already had several kisses in the episode so both are feeling a little "frisky" and William's look seems to be a kind of "Julia, you need to stop, you're killing me here." That's the way I read it...just my wishful thinking maybe but it works for me! I should add that Julia's look as he came towards her indicated she knew exactly what she was doing. She's messing with his head and enjoying every minute of it. I like you're interpretation of the "tenacious scene" ("you're killing me here" - hahahaha  ), but I don't understand why Julia would be such a tease to the poor guy. Why is she messing with William's head? Is this the way to get him to propose, or does she just enjoy what she's doing to him? I just rewatched the episode and I agree with Carco. That look def says "you're killing me here" and he's totally approaching her as prey. But, this also goes with your earlier theory about needing to be invited or prompted. I don't think she's trying to mess with his head to hurt him, I think she's spurring him into action. However, this is not completely to be blamed on William. Julia has broken his heart and given their social differences, he's a bit insecure when it comes to her. Also, how many times has the poor boy proposed to her before she finally agreed? Julia certainly has been tenacious-she wants sexytime and she's getting tired of waiting-so she baits him into action-he won't assert himself if she asks him straight out-it's not proper-but he falls into her snares time and time again. It's not against his will-he happily lets her play him and they're both happy. It's the game they play-albeit an exhausting one. It's stuff like this that leads me to think that nothing physical has happened between them. I know that there's evidence that says that there has been action, but plenty exists that counteract it. Including that tie! That tie is totally symbolic, and a damn fine piece of evidence that there's been no hanky panty. It's his chastity belt of sorts. When that tie finally does come off, it's almost as if William's propriety becomes undone, and the buttoned-up detective becomes undone. What if Julia knows that tie is what holds respectable William together and without it, he's the predator to her prey? Julia knows it too-which is why she's desperate to unleash the beast within so to speak.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 12, 2014 5:21:23 GMT
I'd also like to offer as evidence "the scene" from The Green Muse. William wasn't wearing his tie there and look what happened? Sure, we all cite the Absinthe as cause, and it certainly played a part, but the tie was off, and look what happened? A very horny and insistent William who did not want to stop things! A man of action!
Poor Julia, she's been trying to get that tie back off for years now. If she wants William unleashed, she realized she was going to have to put a ring on it.
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Post by snacky on Jul 12, 2014 5:40:23 GMT
That look def says "you're killing me here" and he's totally approaching her as prey. But, this also goes with your earlier theory about needing to be invited or prompted. I don't think she's trying to mess with his head to hurt him, I think she's spurring him into action. However, this is not completely to be blamed on William. Julia has broken his heart and given their social differences, he's a bit insecure when it comes to her. Also, how many times has the poor boy proposed to her before she finally agreed? Julia certainly has been tenacious-she wants sexytime and she's getting tired of waiting-so she baits him into action-he won't assert himself if she asks him straight out-it's not proper-but he falls into her snares time and time again. It's not against his will-he happily lets her play him and they're both happy. It's the game they play-albeit an exhausting one. It's stuff like this that leads me to think that nothing physical has happened between them. Including that tie! That tie is totally symbolic, and a damn fine piece of evidence that there's been no hanky panty. It's his chastity belt of sorts. When that tie finally does come off, it's almost as if William's propriety becomes undone, and the buttoned-up detective becomes undone. What if Julia knows that tie is what holds respectable William together and without it, he's the predator to her prey? Julia knows it too-which is why she's desperate to unleash the beast within so to speak. Yes that was EXACTLY the sense I got - the game has become exhausting. But I like your theory that Julia has been trying to spur him to action, and I'm intrigued by your thought that this is evidence that that William has been holding back. I love your tie theory as much as I love my own (that the tie is already "in use"). ("Hanky panty" - lol Freudian slip!) I wonder if Julia feels more free to push William's buttons just because she knows he won't take it past a certain point? But William clearly does look exhausted at this point, which means some sort of change is called for, some sort of move has to be made. In Season Three things fell apart because William didn't make any signs of proposing or otherwise moving the relationship forward. Isn't this exhaustion a sign that something needs to start happening soon? And if he's starting to see "prey" when he looks at Julia, she's toyed with him a bit too much.  Credit: 22OntarioStreet |
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Post by snacky on Jul 12, 2014 5:46:14 GMT
William wasn't wearing his tie there and look what happened? but the tie was off, and look what happened? A very horny and insistent William who did not want to stop things! A man of action! Poor Julia, she's been trying to get that tie back off for years now. If she wants William unleashed, she realized she was going to have to put a ring on it. LOOOOOOOOOL~ Point taken, and this definitely has a slot in the quantum entanglement rostrum! But are you saying Julia wanted a ring from William before, but would rather remain a Merry Widow now (but William won't cooperate)? That he's actually *holding out on her* to get her to marry him?!   Credit: 22OntarioStreet |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 12, 2014 6:00:09 GMT
("Hanky panty" - lol Freudian slip!) I wonder if Julia feels more free to push William's buttons just because she knows he won't take it past a certain point? But William clearly does look exhausted at this point, which means some sort of change is called for, some sort of move has to be made. In Season Three things fell apart because William didn't make any signs of proposing or otherwise moving the relationship forward. Isn't this exhaustion a sign that something needs to start happening soon? And if he's starting to see "prey" when he looks at Julia, she's toyed with him a bit too much. Credit: 22OntarioStreetThe game has become exhausting indeed, which is why something did happen-the proposal. William is indeed holding back-he's the man that the Jesuits and society expect him to be, but even with calm, collected William, the cracks do appear, and the red blooded man who does things like have impure thoughts and lust after another man's wife rears it's ugly head. He's a man of values, but he's still a man. That tie represents who William is to the world, with the tie off, so goes the propriety and it's the private, real William. The red blooded man who has lurid sex fantasies and loves how lovely Dr. Ogden openly flaunts some of those very proprieties. But Julia wants William to snap and take her against a wall. Evidence:Bloodlust. She wants him to throw propriety out the window and take her to that dark place with him. She knows it's there-she can sense it, and she wants it. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 12, 2014 6:17:44 GMT
The game has become exhausting indeed, which is why something did happen-the proposal. William is indeed holding back-he's the man that the Jesuits and society expect him to be, but even with calm, collected William, the cracks do appear, and the red blooded man who does things like have impure thoughts and lust after another man's wife rears it's ugly head. He's a man of values, but he's still a man. That tie represents who William is to the world, with the tie off, so goes the propriety and it's the private, real William. The red blooded man who has lurid sex fantasies and loves how lovely Dr. Ogden openly flaunts some of those very proprieties. But Julia wants William to snap and take her against a wall. Evidence:Bloodlust. She wants him to throw propriety out the window and take her to that dark place with him. She knows it's there-she can sense it, and she wants it. What I got from The Kissing Bandit was William's recognition that it took a different sort of "private self" (one he needed to work on) to "arouse a woman's passions". And then Ruby made him feel "feeble and dimwitted" because he was arriving at this realization to late to win Julia: a "strange man" had already "aroused her passions". And worse, William gave his Word of Honor not to interfere. Well, William is hardly one to get his freak on, but you can tell he's trying in Season 7. Actually, if the tie (and the homburg) represent propriety - can the top hat represent a more romantic "grand gesture" persona?" You certainly have me trying to re-imagine the whole series in terms of Julia toying with William while he holds out. I'd like to say he "like it", but I don't think he does. He's just trying to give Julia what she wants, while saving "the full monty" for marriage. (In the "tie-bound" universe, that is).  Credit: 22OntarioStreet |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 12, 2014 6:38:33 GMT
What I got from The Kissing Bandit was William's recognition that it took a different sort of "private self" (one he needed to work on) to "arouse a woman's passions". And then Ruby made him feel "feeble and dimwitted" because he was arriving at this realization to late to win Julia: a "strange man" had already "aroused her passions". And worse, William gave his Word of Honor not to interfere. Well, William is hardly one to get his freak on, but you can tell he's trying in Season 7. Actually, if the tie (and the homburg) represent propriety - can the top hat represent a more romantic "grand gesture" persona?" You certainly have me trying to re-imagine the whole series in terms of Julia toying with William while he holds out. I'd like to say he "like it", but I don't think he does. He's just trying to give Julia what she wants, while saving "the full monty" for marriage. (In the "tie-bound" universe, that is). Credit: 22OntarioStreetI hadn't thought about William not telling Julia he still loved her and to call off the wedding because he promised Darcy. Poor boy, he is a man of his word, and that's something he would do.  Now that Julia's a free woman again, he's definitely trying harder to be the man she needs/wants him to be, and living less in his head. He learned his lesson, and now that he has another chance, he's not going to make the same mistakes again. You're right about the top hat and white tie-I noticed in Ragtime just now that she played with the tie and there was no flinch or attempt to pull back. But, she didn't push his boundaries so much, and quickly left it alone. She's trying to respect his boundaries, but sometimes she can't help herself (can you blame her)? I don't know that Julia wants to make him break all his boundaries, but she's a red blooded woman herself, and she wants her dear boy to be rough with her-she knows that his dark side is lurking just beneath the tie, and she's letting him know that she knows. Starts imagining wedding night fic where dark!William finally makes his appearance. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 12, 2014 7:03:57 GMT
Now that Julia's a free woman again, he's definitely trying harder to be the man she needs/wants him to be, and living less in his head. He learned his lesson, and now that he has another chance, he's not going to make the same mistakes again. You're right about the top hat and white tie-I noticed in Ragtime just now that she played with the tie and there was no flinch or attempt to pull back. But, she didn't push his boundaries so much, and quickly left it alone. She's trying to respect his boundaries, but sometimes she can't help herself (can you blame her)? I don't know that Julia wants to make him break all his boundaries, but she's a red blooded woman herself, and she wants her dear boy to be rough with her-she knows that his dark side is lurking just beneath the tie, and she's letting him know that she knows. Starts imagining wedding night fic where dark!William finally makes his appearance. Still it's hard to imagine what a Victorian woman's idea of "rough" is like beyond the pages of Dracula and anything her husband taught her from a few "French" books. Again, I think Julia is lucky that William is setting some limits, and in a way I think she is relying on him to do that. At the same time, I think think this was cruel to William. He clearly has his "pervy" streak, and he was clearly tempted. One can only imagine what his "confessions" sounded like. The way he talked about a "stranger" "arousing the passions" and winning the love of the dull accountant's fiance made the penis envy crystal clear and made me wonder if he'd heard a word of Julia's martyrdom regarding family/children. Anyway there's clearly a beast waiting to be unleashed, and Julia was playing with fire all Season 7. She's lucky she didn't break the poor guy into a million bitty pieces before he proposed (if your tie-bound theory is true).  |
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Post by snacky on Jul 12, 2014 7:05:12 GMT
Starts imagining wedding night fic where dark!William finally makes his appearance. You're only starting to do that now?
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 12, 2014 7:25:17 GMT
Starts imagining wedding night fic where dark!William finally makes his appearance. You're only starting to do that now?
I've been busy with a thesis, trying to catch up on episodes, and pondering the question of Virgin!William. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 12, 2014 7:31:13 GMT
You're only starting to do that now?
I've been busy with a thesis, trying to catch up on episodes, and pondering the question of Virgin!William. Stop imagining how to unleash Beast!William and get back to writing your thesis. You need to earn a living. Allow me to speculate on William's unleashing in proxy. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 12, 2014 7:31:33 GMT
Again, I think Julia is lucky that William is setting some limits, and in a way I think she is relying on him to do that. At the same time, I think think this was cruel to William. He clearly has his "pervy" streak, and he was clearly tempted. One can only imagine what his "confessions" sounded like. The way he talked about a "stranger" "arousing the passions" and winning the love of the dull accountant's fiance made the penis envy crystal clear and made me wonder if he'd heard a word of Julia's martyrdom regarding family/children. Anyway there's clearly a beast waiting to be unleashed, and Julia was playing with fire all Season 7. She's lucky she didn't break the poor guy into a million bitty pieces before he proposed (if your tie-bound theory is true). Perhaps so. I don't think she always set out to deliberately torment him (they were both sexually repressed Victorians), and both had a dark side just waiting to be explored I think. i think she wanted to bait him, but not necessarily break him. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 12, 2014 7:35:57 GMT
Perhaps so. I don't think she always set out to deliberately torment him (they were both sexually repressed Victorians), and both had a dark side just waiting to be explored I think. i think she wanted to bait him, but not necessarily break him. Hmm this would almost make an interesting Psychiatry themed episode. Did you ever see the X-Files episode where Scully gets the tattoo? Sometimes highly repressed people are compelled to look into dark mirrors. I agree Julia didn't intend to break William, but she pushed him kind of close. And then she rejected his proposal. Even if she had no way of knowing that would happen, she did sort of deliberately push him into a pretty fragile, anxious state. I think his reaction should have been something more than over-focus on fixing bicycles. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 12, 2014 7:36:20 GMT
LOOOOOOOOOL~ Point taken, and this definitely has a slot in the quantum entanglement rostrum! But are you saying Julia wanted a ring from William before, but would rather remain a Merry Widow now (but William won't cooperate)? That he's actually *holding out on her* to get her to marry him?! Credit: 22OntarioStreetI don't know that I'm definitively stating as such, but it's as good a theory as any. Plus, I think there's propriety behind his desire not to put out before marriage as well. I don't think he's deliberately using it as bait. I don't think either is actively trying to hurt the other, it's just proof positive that the game has hone on too long and they need to be married yesterday. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 12, 2014 7:39:14 GMT
I've been busy with a thesis, trying to catch up on episodes, and pondering the question of Virgin!William. Stop imagining how to unleash Beast!William and get back to writing your thesis. You need to earn a living. Allow me to speculate on William's unleashing in proxy. My thesis is off with my Prof for feedback right now, thank you very much. I'm on vacation, plus Mr. Tokyobelle helps out with the bills. |
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), but I don't understand why Julia would be such a tease to the poor guy. Why is she messing with William's head? Is this the way to get him to propose, or does she just enjoy what she's doing to him?
