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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 13, 2014 13:17:08 GMT
So, in rewatching the series with my husband, and he says no, William's not a virgin. However, he is insecure and unsure around Julia because she's "out of his league" but he really has a thing for her so he's definitely on his best behavior. This is interesting considering how insecure Julia was - especially when Ruby was around. But perhaps it's mainly the financial/class part that's "out of his league". I guess that also accounts for why William is more forward with Anna than he is with Julia. I also forgot to mention that while watching Murdoch in the Klondike, he does stop at the bordello and there's quite a lascivious look on his face as his companion extols the talents of one of the girls. He's drinking here, and quite possibly visiting the bordello as well. Why not? He doesn't have a career to worry about anymore, and he's nursing a broken heart. He wouldn't be the first man (or woman) to lose himself in booze and meaningless sex. I think it's definitely a class thing with Julia. Although, she doesn't seem as insecure (excepting Ruby) around William. Methinks she got insecure around Ruby's stolen a boyfriend before. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 15:43:27 GMT
This is interesting considering how insecure Julia was - especially when Ruby was around. But perhaps it's mainly the financial/class part that's "out of his league". I guess that also accounts for why William is more forward with Anna than he is with Julia. I also forgot to mention that while watching Murdoch in the Klondike, he does stop at the bordello and there's quite a lascivious look on his face as his companion extols the talents of one of the girls. He's drinking here, and quite possibly visiting the bordello as well. Why not? He doesn't have a career to worry about anymore, and he's nursing a broken heart. He wouldn't be the first man (or woman) to lose himself in booze and meaningless sex. I think it's definitely a class thing with Julia. Although, she doesn't seem as insecure (excepting Ruby) around William. Methinks she got insecure around Ruby's stolen a boyfriend before. Well if he would be having an "Out of William" experience anywhere, it would be the Klondike episode. And William would want to be getting away from all those traits that had been making him miserable in Toronto. However, I still can't shake the idea that there might have been an underlying layer of sensible man left, which would have left William wary of STDs and babies (he was an awfully good husband-trapping prospect, too). Moreover, I think his Catholic upbringing could have reinforced celibacy. The Murdoch in the book is a virgin, having apparently just never gotten the opportunity. It's a lot harder to imagine with Yannick Bisson, though, lol. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 13, 2014 15:56:36 GMT
I also forgot to mention that while watching Murdoch in the Klondike, he does stop at the bordello and there's quite a lascivious look on his face as his companion extols the talents of one of the girls. He's drinking here, and quite possibly visiting the bordello as well. Why not? He doesn't have a career to worry about anymore, and he's nursing a broken heart. He wouldn't be the first man (or woman) to lose himself in booze and meaningless sex. I think it's definitely a class thing with Julia. Although, she doesn't seem as insecure (excepting Ruby) around William. Methinks she got insecure around Ruby's stolen a boyfriend before. Well if he would be having an "Out of William" experience anywhere, it would be the Klondike episode. And William would want to be getting away from all those traits that had been making him miserable in Toronto. However, I still can't shake the idea that there might have been an underlying layer of sensible man left, which would have left William wary of STDs and babies (he was an awfully good husband-trapping prospect, too). Moreover, I think his Catholic upbringing could have reinforced celibacy. The Murdoch in the book is a virgin, having apparently just never gotten the opportunity. It's a lot harder to imagine with Yannick Bisson, though, lol. But it's an out of William experience. I'm telling you-watch that scene as the miners return to town and the look on his face as he stops. I think it's implied. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 13, 2014 16:09:25 GMT
Well if he would be having an "Out of William" experience anywhere, it would be the Klondike episode. And William would want to be getting away from all those traits that had been making him miserable in Toronto. However, I still can't shake the idea that there might have been an underlying layer of sensible man left, which would have left William wary of STDs and babies (he was an awfully good husband-trapping prospect, too). Moreover, I think his Catholic upbringing could have reinforced celibacy. The Murdoch in the book is a virgin, having apparently just never gotten the opportunity. It's a lot harder to imagine with Yannick Bisson, though, lol. But it's an out of William experience. I'm telling you-watch that scene as the miners return to town and the look on his face as he stops. I think it's implied. He definitely looks like he appreciates what he sees, we already know he's a sucker for a pretty lady, but that doesn't mean he's been with her or is going to go with her. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 13, 2014 16:24:33 GMT
But it's an out of William experience. I'm telling you-watch that scene as the miners return to town and the look on his face as he stops. I think it's implied. He definitely looks like he appreciates what he sees, we already know he's a sucker for a pretty lady, but that doesn't mean he's been with her or is going to go with her. It's not strong, but it's enough to definitely make you pause. It's a major out of William moment, and he's not behaving rationally. He's leering at scantily clad ladies in the street, drinking, and getting into bar fights. Understandable, really, when you know he's just lost everything. Of course, once the suit goes back on, proper!William is back in control. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 16:25:29 GMT
Well if he would be having an "Out of William" experience anywhere, it would be the Klondike episode. And William would want to be getting away from all those traits that had been making him miserable in Toronto. However, I still can't shake the idea that there might have been an underlying layer of sensible man left, which would have left William wary of STDs and babies (he was an awfully good husband-trapping prospect, too). Moreover, I think his Catholic upbringing could have reinforced celibacy. The Murdoch in the book is a virgin, having apparently just never gotten the opportunity. It's a lot harder to imagine with Yannick Bisson, though, lol. But it's an out of William experience. I'm telling you-watch that scene as the miners return to town and the look on his face as he stops. I think it's implied. I actually remember just the smile you're talking about.  But I think it might just mean William is enjoying looking at the pretty ladies, and just being there, back in the "civilization" of the town. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 16:28:57 GMT
But it's an out of William experience. I'm telling you-watch that scene as the miners return to town and the look on his face as he stops. I think it's implied. He definitely looks like he appreciates what he sees, we already know he's a sucker for a pretty lady, but that doesn't mean he's been with her or is going to go with her. He doesn't seem to go up with the guys. He ends up all by himself in the bar drinking Near Beer. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 13, 2014 16:35:55 GMT
He definitely looks like he appreciates what he sees, we already know he's a sucker for a pretty lady, but that doesn't mean he's been with her or is going to go with her. He doesn't seem to go up with the guys. He ends up all by himself in the bar drinking Near Beer. I thought it was scotch or whiskey? I asked hubby if he thought he sleeps with Anna in SOtWS, and he's thinking about it. In the end, his opinion isn't law, it's just a male perspective.  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 16:38:15 GMT
He doesn't seem to go up with the guys. He ends up all by himself in the bar drinking Near Beer. I thought it was scotch or whiskey? I doubt it! I need to start shaking Eclair down on this matter, too. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 16:41:13 GMT
He definitely looks like he appreciates what he sees, we already know he's a sucker for a pretty lady, but that doesn't mean he's been with her or is going to go with her. It's not strong, but it's enough to definitely make you pause. It's a major out of William moment, and he's not behaving rationally. He's leering at scantily clad ladies in the street, drinking, and getting into bar fights. Understandable, really, when you know he's just lost everything. Of course, once the suit goes back on, proper!William is back in control. My take is that the humor of it is that "on the edge" William is still basically William. So he's drinking non-alcoholic drinks and not doing anything too stupid even though he has 3-day-old stubble and outback gear on. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 13, 2014 17:47:24 GMT
I thought it was scotch or whiskey? I doubt it! I need to start shaking Eclair down on this matter, too. Oh I think it is scotch, why else would it be in a whiskey glass? The bartender wouldn't be putting near beer (which didn't exist) in a whiskey glass. William's not beyond drinking but only on 'special occasions', what contributes a special occasion ... other than picnicking with Julia, we don't know, maybe finding gold and going to town is special for William in his new life. Plus he told Brackenreid to 'best pour us both a drink' in MiW. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 19:06:12 GMT
The rubric Near Beer is meant to cover Spruce Beer (the non-alcoholic version), sarspararilla, and whatever other non-alcoholic beverage that could be procured in a saloon. Perhaps water!
IMHO, William is too wary of his father's alcoholism to drink casually. He would only drink socially, on very special occasions.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 13, 2014 19:12:32 GMT
The rubric Near Beer is meant to cover Spruce Beer (the non-alcoholic version), sarspararilla, and whatever other non-alcoholic beverage that could be procured in a saloon. Perhaps water! IMHO, William is too wary of his father's alcoholism to drink casually. He would only drink socially, on very special occasions. But he's not our usual William until he dons the suit again then he reverts back to water, in a different glass. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 19:15:38 GMT
I think the whiskey glass is like William's huge smile at the girls- it's a gesture toward an alternative life. But we soon discover he's not reallh leading it. Klondike William just isn't him. It's a fake Out of William experience sincr his memories are intact.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 13, 2014 22:11:58 GMT
I think the whiskey glass is like William's huge smile at the girls- it's a gesture toward an alternative life. But we soon discover he's not reallh leading it. Klondike William just isn't him. It's a fake Out of William experience sincr his memories are intact. Yes it is a fake out of William experience, not really one at all though he isn't quite himself until he puts on the suit ... and tie ... again. |
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