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Post by snacky on Dec 4, 2014 19:20:35 GMT
Wa - unexpected trip! I hope its not bad family news!  And right before you turn your thesis in, too - will you be able to get an extension if the situation is too disruptive? Hope this leads to a better Christmas with family rather than a worse Christmas for whatever reason.  It's not bad news yet-just handling some family business. I hope to be able to knock the projects out this weekend. Knowing I was going to be busy lit a fire under me to get one of the projects done today. Don't know how good it is...  I hope this doesn't impede with me getting MM on Monday. It shouldn't-but still. AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH - I have another appointment Tuesday. And it's a biggie. Gosh darn it. I may not be able to watch MM at all in the morning. Danged appointments. lol.   It's like there is a vortex of busywork with a center of Tuesday.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 0:23:21 GMT
Thanks but I am too old fashioned to read a lot on a pad. My secret dream is to find older copies of the books somewhere. I find the latest release, with the cast of the TV show on the front, just annoying. The picture, where the cast are all dressed up for the ball, has absolutely no relationship with the books. It is a sales ploy, pure and simple. I know what you mean. I prefer actual books, but I'm just too mobile for that. We don't have room in our tiny apartment for any more books, so I have to buy them digitally. I hear you on the covers-I hate when they do that as well. Have you thought about buying them from Amazon as used copies? www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0312168292/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=used&sr=1-1&qid=1417637726Yes that is a good idea. Sorry to hear you have unexpected stress, but glad to hear you are looking forward to lots of Murdoch reading. I hope you enjoy the books. I found they got better as they went along. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 0:27:21 GMT
It's not bad news yet-just handling some family business. I hope to be able to knock the projects out this weekend. Knowing I was going to be busy lit a fire under me to get one of the projects done today. Don't know how good it is... I hope this doesn't impede with me getting MM on Monday. It shouldn't-but still. AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH - I have another appointment Tuesday. And it's a biggie. Gosh darn it. I may not be able to watch MM at all in the morning. Danged appointments. lol. It's like there is a vortex of busywork with a center of Tuesday. What is it about December that makes you feel like your are a hamster on a wheel? Not enough hours: so much to do. And then a gigantic pile of bricks falls on you just to further complicate things!!! I had a real loop thrown at me the other night too, so I hear you, Snacky, about the vortex! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 11, 2014 22:20:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 22:29:32 GMT
Thanks. I did see that but it has been more than a year since I read them so I do not remember enough details to make any comments yet. Will talk when I have had time to look at them. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 19, 2014 11:57:30 GMT
So, watching Poor Tom is Cold, and now having read the the books, it's interesting to compare it to the movies-quite a few differences in this one.
Oh, my. That scene on the gurney...um, wow. Pretty explicit... But, on the gurney? Really, William? That's the place you dreamt of having sex with Julia?
Heh, movie Julia called her boss a pissant.
The movies seem to feature Ettie far more than the books. I kept waiting for Ettie to make another appearance in the books, and she didn't.
I'm curious as to why the movies chose to feature her so prominently.
Also, I'm starting to think that we're supposed to take the movies as the start of the W/J relationship. Also, the first almost W/J kiss interrupted by George-so this is where it starts.
My husband says that he's going to start calling him "Constable Cockblocker".
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 20, 2014 5:26:05 GMT
William's fantasy life: in the movies he fantasizes about getting frisky with Julia in the morgue on a gurney. True to the books, theses fantasies occur at night when he is trying to sleep, not while he is in the same room with Julia. In the movies he seems racked by guilt for theses fantasies. The TV William does not seem too absorbed in what we call Catholic guilt over anything sexual. He is repressed and cautious to a fault, but not full of guilt over having those feelings. Unfortunately for many the guilt is all too much a part of Catholic thinking, especially for those of my parents generation. Yes I was brought up Catholic, but I am certainly no expert in the practices if 1901. I trust the writers to do their job in researching that info. Does he fantasize about hot gurney sex in more than one movie? Also, interesting that he broke the glass on Liza's picture in the midst of his sex with Julia dream. Symbolic, no? |
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Post by snacky on Dec 20, 2014 5:58:56 GMT
William's fantasy life: in the movies he fantasizes about getting frisky with Julia in the morgue on a gurney. True to the books, theses fantasies occur at night when he is trying to sleep, not while he is in the same room with Julia. In the movies he seems racked by guilt for theses fantasies. The TV William does not seem too absorbed in what we call Catholic guilt over anything sexual. He is repressed and cautious to a fault, but not full of guilt over having those feelings. Unfortunately for many the guilt is all too much a part of Catholic thinking, especially for those of my parents generation. Yes I was brought up Catholic, but I am certainly no expert in the practices if 1901. I trust the writers to do their job in researching that info. Does he fantasize about hot gurney sex in more than one movie? Also, interesting that he broke the glass on Liza's picture in the midst of his sex with Julia dream. Symbolic, no? I'm a big fan of all the Freudian/Jungian dream analysis erupting in 1900, too! And according to the Goncourt Journals, literary naturalism had been displaced by "symbolism" in literature, poetry, and art. I always thought this historical fact/situation/mode jived well with William's fantasies and his Catholic repression. I was watching Walk on the Wild Side again with eclair, and in the second part there is that scene where Anna talks about people repressing a "welter of passions" - William starts to say something, or looks like he wants to say something to Anna, but then the scene cuts. I thought this echoed The Kissing Bandit where William lost his cool over the idea of a rival being able to bring out a woman's passions, where he could not. And then, of course, there is the self-awareness that it's because he isn't letting his own passions be brought to the surface. Given what happened at the end of the episode, I suppose William wanted to express his feelings for Anna before saying goodbye. Or perhaps he realized he needed to nip her passions in the bud because they wouldn't be seeing each other ever again (ostensibly!). Hey - last time Anna started talking like that, it led to nookie! Anyway, I do like the idea of William's repressions expressing themselves through dreams and symbols, and I wish they would do more of that on MM, given how appropriate that is to the era. Plus Julia can psychoanalyze William now! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 20, 2014 19:31:43 GMT
Does he fantasize about hot gurney sex in more than one movie? Also, interesting that he broke the glass on Liza's picture in the midst of his sex with Julia dream. Symbolic, no? I'm a big fan of all the Freudian/Jungian dream analysis erupting in 1900, too! And according to the Goncourt Journals, literary naturalism had been displaced by "symbolism" in literature, poetry, and art. I always thought this historical fact/situation/mode jived well with William's fantasies and his Catholic repression. I was watching Walk on the Wild Side again with eclair, and in the second part there is that scene where Anna talks about people repressing a "welter of passions" - William starts to say something, or looks like he wants to say something to Anna, but then the scene cuts. I thought this echoed The Kissing Bandit where William lost his cool over the idea of a rival being able to bring out a woman's passions, where he could not. And then, of course, there is the self-awareness that it's because he isn't letting his own passions be brought to the surface. Given what happened at the end of the episode, I suppose William wanted to express his feelings for Anna before saying goodbye. Or perhaps he realized he needed to nip her passions in the bud because they wouldn't be seeing each other ever again (ostensibly!). Hey - last time Anna started talking like that, it led to nookie! Anyway, I do like the idea of William's repressions expressing themselves through dreams and symbols, and I wish they would do more of that on MM, given how appropriate that is to the era. Plus Julia can psychoanalyze William now! I would love to see something about psychoanalysis! I know Freud never went to Canada, so he's out, but there's still plenty of ways for someone to work it in-such as Julia, or another adherent ofFreud's to come to lecture. In the final Murdoch book, Julia becomes quite smitten with a visiting psychiatrist and begins a tryst with him. Not that I'm saying TV Julia should, but if Julia's going to be a psychiatrist in the golden age of psychiatry, why not use it? |
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Post by snacky on Dec 20, 2014 20:45:55 GMT
I'm a big fan of all the Freudian/Jungian dream analysis erupting in 1900, too! And according to the Goncourt Journals, literary naturalism had been displaced by "symbolism" in literature, poetry, and art. I always thought this historical fact/situation/mode jived well with William's fantasies and his Catholic repression. I was watching Walk on the Wild Side again with eclair, and in the second part there is that scene where Anna talks about people repressing a "welter of passions" - William starts to say something, or looks like he wants to say something to Anna, but then the scene cuts. I thought this echoed The Kissing Bandit where William lost his cool over the idea of a rival being able to bring out a woman's passions, where he could not. And then, of course, there is the self-awareness that it's because he isn't letting his own passions be brought to the surface. Given what happened at the end of the episode, I suppose William wanted to express his feelings for Anna before saying goodbye. Or perhaps he realized he needed to nip her passions in the bud because they wouldn't be seeing each other ever again (ostensibly!). Hey - last time Anna started talking like that, it led to nookie! Anyway, I do like the idea of William's repressions expressing themselves through dreams and symbols, and I wish they would do more of that on MM, given how appropriate that is to the era. Plus Julia can psychoanalyze William now! I would love to see something about psychoanalysis! I know Freud never went to Canada, so he's out, but there's still plenty of ways for someone to work it in-such as Julia, or another adherent ofFreud's to come to lecture. In the final Murdoch book, Julia becomes quite smitten with a visiting psychiatrist and begins a tryst with him. Not that I'm saying TV Julia should, but if Julia's going to be a psychiatrist in the golden age of psychiatry, why not use it? I think it would be freaky if Julia started a correspondence with Jung because they took a class together.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 10, 2015 15:25:09 GMT
So, researching a fic and came across this gem from the second movie: vimeo.com/50037899Why hasn't this happened in the show? No, don't tell me. I get it, I really, really do. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 11, 2015 7:12:48 GMT
So, researching a fic and came across this gem from the second movie: vimeo.com/50037899Why hasn't this happened in the show? No, don't tell me. I get it, I really, really do.You get it better than I do, because I see a missed opportunity. That certainly doesn't show any more skin than Murdoch au Natural. We've determined that religious repression is a big part of the show. There had already been one pseudo-bedroom scene (Convalescence). Yannick is not shy about doing such scenes. This scene is not in itself all that raunchy. All the pent-up eroticism is being communicated via twisting sheets. Perhaps the problem was they couldn't get that kind of sweaty sheen on the actors during the Orange Cake Make Up era... |
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