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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 3, 2014 4:04:03 GMT
This might just be the way Big Men talk at the club, too - putting everyone down. It could be the mayor knows perfectly well who William is, but he is puffing himself up by pretending he doesn't know who anyone else is. "The Catholic" could be like "Tommy Two Cakes" - the nickname that stuck. I've rewatched this episode again since I now have a digital copy and it's easier to rewind to desired spots. I've reevaluated my opinion of what the mayor said. He does in fact care about the Catholic detective, so much so that he wants Brackenreid to warn him of the deleterious nature of his wife's conduct. The conversation goes as follows; M Your detective, the Catholic. B Murdoch. What about him? M I hear his wife has some notion of running for office, ludicrous idea. Not good for him, her breaking the law. Last thing your boy needs. B Is she breaking the law? M Not the letter I gather but certainly the intent. Have a word, he's gaining a reputation. B You mean she is. M No difference, they are man and wife are they not? So I read in this that the mayor doesn't want William to suffer for Julia's supposed indiscretion. However he is still just the Catholic detective, apparently his religion is more important than his name. That makes some sense actually, and makes the mayor seem like less of a douche. Still, the man should refer to William by his name.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 3, 2014 4:08:12 GMT
I really don't want a pregnancy any time soon but I could go the miscarriage route. This would still be a soap opera-ish focus on "the personal" while Julia really needs to get back into a hardcore science/lab setting. It occurs to me one angst plot could be Julia thinks she is pregnant but it turns out to be a benign tumor. I would say cancer, but were there any treatments yet? Then we'd be straying too far into the serial formula that Peter Mitchell spoke about. No cancer-that was a death sentence back then.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 3, 2014 4:09:53 GMT
I really don't want a pregnancy any time soon but I could go the miscarriage route. I don't want either. Too much angst for me. I like the Forensics Lab idea. I too thought Braxie crossed a line when he told William to wear the pants. It's one thing to express concern about his reputation, but it is quite another to threaten his masculinity. And I like how William shut him down. William was wearing the pants there.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 3, 2014 4:15:50 GMT
Observation: After watching the episode again, I think one of the reasons Emily was so bittier, was the fact that she idolizes Julia, and in a way her idol disappointed her and let her down. Another point, the unmarried Julia with only her reputation at stake would have run hands down, but both Brackenreid and (Murdoch-in a way) pointed out that what they do effects the reputaion of the other, and Julia realized this, and I dont think she was willing to stake his reputation as well as her own. That thing I mentioned eariler of society seeing them as one. Anyway i think im going over well trodden ground now. Emily's undoubtedly disappointed, but she's got to understand Julia's dilemma, and how it's quite different from that of Darcy and the birth control. But, maybe she will. She's just been let down by her idol, so she's allowed to be sad and angry.
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Post by snacky on Dec 3, 2014 4:34:10 GMT
Observation: After watching the episode again, I think one of the reasons Emily was so bittier, was the fact that she idolizes Julia, and in a way her idol disappointed her and let her down. Another point, the unmarried Julia with only her reputation at stake would have run hands down, but both Brackenreid and (Murdoch-in a way) pointed out that what they do effects the reputaion of the other, and Julia realized this, and I dont think she was willing to stake his reputation as well as her own. That thing I mentioned eariler of society seeing them as one. Anyway i think im going over well trodden ground now. I agree - Julia is Emily's feminist hero. How disappointing to see her now "limited" by a man! Julia is no longer autonomous - she is fettered. Her growth is stunted. She is contained by marriage. This is THE feminist complaint of her day. I love how William is trying so hard to make sure that Julia has nothing to complain about in that respect, though. It's so cute that he wants to be a "modern couple"! You can practically see some World's Fair with a Flash Gordon rocket display reflected in his eyes when he says that! Or perhaps the Pendrick Bullet! Oh btw, while I was looking up contemporary automobiles, I found out another manufacturer - Winton - made their own racing "bullet"!
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Post by snacky on Dec 3, 2014 4:35:24 GMT
Emily's undoubtedly disappointed, but she's got to understand Julia's dilemma, and how it's quite different from that of Darcy and the birth control. But, maybe she will. She's just been let down by her idol, so she's allowed to be sad and angry. I hope she's moved to start doing her own kicking ass/chewing bubble gum!
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Post by snacky on Dec 3, 2014 4:40:14 GMT
I don't want either. Too much angst for me. I like the Forensics Lab idea. I too thought Braxie crossed a line when he told William to wear the pants. It's one thing to express concern about his reputation, but it is quite another to threaten his masculinity. And I like how William shut him down. William was wearing the pants there. If you think about it, William has seen Margaret "wearing the pants" on more than one occasion. He knows that Brackenreid is not partaking in the advice he's doling out. Perhaps over tea later he might have some merciful thoughts about where the pressures are coming from and how Brackenreid himself might be affected by William's reputation/status. The cow patties are rolling downhill here.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 3, 2014 4:52:23 GMT
I made this post on my blog but here it as as well: I knew George's romantic story was mirroring Murdoch's but I didn't realize just how much. George and Emily dance around each other in the morgue in S5. (S1 Jilliam). Then he finally asks her out. They have an okay/comfortable time together in S6 but sparks aren't exactly flying. (S3 Jilliam). Then they break up because of a 'mistake' Emily made. (Julia S2, 3 etc.). She starts dating a Garland. He starts dating a blonde haired widow who happens to have a young son. (Enid and Alwin). Now all that needs to happen is George dumps them and goes back to Emily and it's Murdoch and Julia's story for S1-4 repeated in S5-8! ugh, wth - you're right! There better be a swerve in this pattern. Lillian Moss better not turn out to be a mere Hot Air Balloonist. All I'm gonna say is that I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago and I got chided for "just now" noticing this.
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Post by snacky on Dec 3, 2014 4:59:02 GMT
This would still be a soap opera-ish focus on "the personal" while Julia really needs to get back into a hardcore science/lab setting. It occurs to me one angst plot could be Julia thinks she is pregnant but it turns out to be a benign tumor. I would say cancer, but were there any treatments yet? Then we'd be straying too far into the serial formula that Peter Mitchell spoke about. No cancer-that was a death sentence back then. I just looked it up and cancer of the uterus actually has a 90% cure rate just through hysterectomy. No chance to have children after that, though... Apparently the use of radiation to treat cancer started very early in the 20th century, as well, but I can't find any details.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 3, 2014 5:01:33 GMT
William was wearing the pants there. If you think about it, William has seen Margaret "wearing the pants" on more than one occasion. He knows that Brackenreid is not partaking in the advice he's doling out. Perhaps over tea later he might have some merciful thoughts about where the pressures are coming from and how Brackenreid himself might be affected by William's reputation/status. The cow patties are rolling downhill here. I wouldn't disagree with that, but Brax was using a very heavy handed approach to make sure they understood without a doubt what the ramifications were. Brax has never been tactful, and maybe pissing W/J off was his intent so that they didn't just blow him off.
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Post by snacky on Dec 3, 2014 5:01:58 GMT
ugh, wth - you're right! There better be a swerve in this pattern. Lillian Moss better not turn out to be a mere Hot Air Balloonist. All I'm gonna say is that I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago and I got chided for "just now" noticing this. Was it me that did the "chiding"?! I could swear CC has mentioned similar patterns before as well - usually re: Gemily imitating Jilliam. I usually get grumpy at the writers since it's so obviously true.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 3, 2014 5:22:23 GMT
All I'm gonna say is that I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago and I got chided for "just now" noticing this. Was it me that did the "chiding"?! I could swear CC has mentioned similar patterns before as well - usually re: Gemily imitating Jilliam. I usually get grumpy at the writers since it's so obviously true. It wasn't mean spirited, but yeah. . I'm hoping they diverge from this pattern as well!
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Post by snacky on Dec 3, 2014 5:36:46 GMT
Was it me that did the "chiding"?! I could swear CC has mentioned similar patterns before as well - usually re: Gemily imitating Jilliam. I usually get grumpy at the writers since it's so obviously true. It wasn't mean spirited, but yeah. . I'm hoping they diverge from this pattern as well! Hmm. I think there must have been something different about the context (was it part of your "Julia is Dead Meat" mood?). I quite agree about the Gemily-repeats-Jilliam patterns, and CC has been pointing out the same for some time.
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Post by snacky on Dec 3, 2014 5:40:44 GMT
So I read in this that the mayor doesn't want William to suffer for Julia's supposed indiscretion. However he is still just the Catholic detective, apparently his religion is more important than his name. That makes some sense actually, and makes the mayor seem like less of a douche. Still, the man should refer to William by his name. I think this is a class gesture/marker. The mayor pretends not to remember anyone's name more than 2 rungs beneath his class - especially if they don't belong to the "club". What do you want to bet the mayor's wife sends William a special plum pudding every Christmas and it includes a card addressed by name. The mayor remembers William's name very well...in private.
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Post by snacky on Dec 3, 2014 5:43:50 GMT
We also need to give Miss Moss some credit for not balking at Emily holding a human heart. Oooh I didn't notice that. Playing with hearts in the morgue is always a sign of hootchy-kootchy going on!!!!
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