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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 4:52:36 GMT
Yes, this! That tie is truly starting to reach mythical powers status. If we ever do see him without it alone in her presence, is that going to be code for intimacy is about to happen or has just happened? So, like, is he going to be the first Chippendale or something?  Everything can come off except the black tie? Ok, have to go away and dwell on that thought for a while......  While shirtless William is indeed a nice thought,  I was more in line with that the tie is the keeper of William's "dark places" or erotic urges. If the tie is firmly in place, he's a respectable, proper man. If the tie is off, he's a lusty beast! At least around Julia. You know how a couple smoking used to be code for intimacy had just taken place-I think William being calm around Julia sans tie is going to be MM code for the same thing. Which is why Julia keeps going after the tie-she wants to take it off! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 5:04:05 GMT
When she mentioned in passing that the area seemed nice, he saw only that it would likely be too expensive. Once again, she laughed it off but that can be really annoying if you get that reaction time after time and especially when you are having to build a life with that person. Getting off topic a bit, I think the Inspector has ID'd the change that the police (including Murdoch) are going to face day in and day out from hereon, they don't rule the roost in Toronto anymore. What they say doesn't necessarily go and respect for the uniform and the position is nothing like the good old days. Everything is changing. Julia is becoming a staunch supporter of women's rights and thanks to her suggestion, the woman are fighting with the police and being arrested -- on the streets, in public! William may understand it because he sees Julia as a whole person not just a woman, but the law is the law and everything is going to hell in a handbasket. Even if he CAN let her out of jail (assuming she and/or Emily are jailed....looks like Emily is behind bars anyway), its quite possible he will choose to leave her (and/or Emily) to do her/their time in jail. I don't think he'd care how that would "look" (detective's bride to be in jail) but he will know Julia would be furious with him since she knows he let Eva Moon out of jail instead of "choosing" her. I'm really looking forward to Pt 2!! Well said. I don't think this is going to be a big crisis, but it is something Julia's going to have to address soon (probably next episode). She may even have planned on bringing it up when she was talking to William when Slorach and later Emily interrupted them. No, she doesn't expect William to finance her higher standard of living, but she may just now be aware how much of a sore spot it is for him. Having watched this again finally, I'm pretty sure she's figured out that this is what's behind the delayed date, and she's going to take care of it in a respectful way. No, she doesn't expect William to provide for her in her current manner (that's why she has a job) but she probably is going to have to compromise on a house-maybe something that William can at least pay half of. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 5:07:50 GMT
Yep, SH4 coppers. Looks like William doesn't break J/E out of jail though as they're in court next week. Now you're talking! He'll never be as rich as George though. I always wondered how he could afford the top hat and tails unless he rents them. I did note it's always the same top hat though. Did I mention how much I hate top hats? They really don't suit anyone, well, maybe there's one exception and I'm stunned at that. I found it funny when they put William in a top hat because in the past MM has always used top hats to indicate ridiculousness or the "toff" class. I'm not sure, but I thought one of the guys carrying the corpse in On the Waterfront had a top hat, which was worth a giggle. But William didn't look bad in it, and I thought that was supposed to represent his rising prospects... (which were then dashed by the promotion of Slorach). Anyway William has to find other alternatives now. If he can't get around the prejudice in the police force, he can find other ways to build his reputation and make a career: write articles, write books, lecture, etc. I'm sure Julia will have ideas about that. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 5:08:48 GMT
So, like, is he going to be the first Chippendale or something? Everything can come off except the black tie? Ok, have to go away and dwell on that thought for a while...... That lapel twiddle in On the Waterfront is really messing with my head now. Was that fan service...? I don't think so. I think she knows he doesn't like it when she touches the tie/lapels, and she was doing it to distract him from his scolding. Anyone notice that while he wearing the jacket, it wasn't buttoned. He's usually fully buttoned up when he sees her-he may have felt uncomfortable about that too. The only time I can think of him not wearing a jacket around her is in Last Train to Kingston, and Unfinished Business.  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 5:09:09 GMT
Once you rewatch it, I'd love to know your take on it. I've re-watched this scene several times now and I've come to the conclusion that William's reply was just too flippant. There has to be something more behind this. I still read it as defensive, but it could be defensive because he's already purchased a place. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 5:10:38 GMT
So, like, is he going to be the first Chippendale or something? Everything can come off except the black tie? Ok, have to go away and dwell on that thought for a while...... While shirtless William is indeed a nice thought, I was more in line with that the tie is the keeper of William's "dark places" or erotic urges. If the tie is firmly in place, he's a respectable, proper man. If the tie is off, he's a lusty beast! At least around Julia. You know how a couple smoking used to be code for intimacy had just taken place-I think William being calm around Julia sans tie is going to be MM code for the same thing. Which is why Julia keeps going after the tie-she wants to take it off! It's going to be fun to watch for William's tie off in unconventional places, then.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 5:11:05 GMT
Whether we like it or not, I think Julia is dressing up for William. And William appreciates physical beauty. I agree that Julia can get irritated at William's foibles. That's part of what I like about MM. It incorporates those little irritations which make the relationship more "real". Before Talbotrail goes postal, I don't think such things have to destroy the relationship - but they do complicate the relationship and have to be dealt with in some way. The question on Julia's side then becomes: will she have to nag? Can William change? I don't think William would let either Julia or Emily stew in jail - but he wouldn't be able to break them out unless the other station house conveniently left for a wedding! Even though William is open-minded, circumstances are changing too fast for his worldview to shift. I'm sure he has no problem with women's suffrage. But women paying the bills...? I don't go postal for anything. I love the foibles, that's what makes the relationship interesting. I actually enjoyed their first row in Lovers in a Murderous Time. I thought it was about time the air was cleared. What I don't like is angst for angst sake, it's as bad as catering to the shippers. We've had enough angst to last a lifetime with this relationship, I'd just like to see things go smoothly, at least for a little time. Don't know if you noticed but the number on the uniform collar was 4, they should be taken to SH4's jail. William may just have to get used to being a kept man ... unless his Cdn. Bonds have a good rate of return and he's secretly been making as much as George and his stocks. Perhaps they'll mature just at the right time.... I adore the foibles too-they add lovely layers of complexity to the show. I don't think William has to get used to being a kept man, but he is going to have to accept that he's not going to be the sole provider. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 5:12:31 GMT
but she probably is going to have to compromise on a house-maybe something that William can at least pay half of. William would probably be fine with a payment plan. The best solution would still be magically inheriting something, though. That way no one is paying for anything. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 5:14:40 GMT
I love the foibles, that's what makes the relationship interesting. I actually enjoyed their first row in Lovers in a Murderous Time. I thought it was about time the air was cleared. What I don't like is angst for angst sake, it's as bad as catering to the shippers. We've had enough angst to last a lifetime with this relationship, I'd just like to see things go smoothly, at least for a little time. Don't know if you noticed but the number on the uniform collar was 4, they should be taken to SH4's jail. William may just have to get used to being a kept man ... unless his Cdn. Bonds have a good rate of return and he's secretly been making as much as George and his stocks. Perhaps they'll mature just at the right time.... Wait those were Station House 4 coppers roughing up the ladies???!!! Aren't they all down at the docks? That's confusing.  It would be very interesting if William did just adapt to being a "kept man". Julia would have to talk him into it gradually, I'm sure. The whole point of the angst discussion, though, is William has those feelings, and they can't just be run over roughshod. I'm a bit worried about Carco's take on it, though. If Julia just reads this as William being "auto-negative/cautious", then she will just be irritated about it instead of delving a little more deeply into William's feelings about the difference in their financial resources. The writers could always spring your happy theory on us, too: perhaps William is a secret millionaire and that detached tone of voice was the "I've got a secret" one...  Hey, he had to get the money for that French restaurant and top hat from somewhere! I made a point to check. They are indeed SH4 boys. My thought was "Shouldn't you be down at the docks helping out your brothers in a known hostile and violent area instead of women who were peacefully protesting and were attacked by a man?" I wonder how that's going to be dealt with next week. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 5:15:20 GMT
Anyone notice that while he wearing the jacket, it wasn't buttoned. He's usually fully buttoned up when he sees her-he may have felt uncomfortable about that too. The only time I can think of him not wearing a jacket around her is in Last Train to Kingston, and Unfinished Business. hmm, I noticed it was unbuttoned at the end of the twiddle, but I thought it was because Julia unbuttoned it. I'll have to watch again. Julia certainly knows how to play him like a Stradivarius! |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 5:18:29 GMT
I adore the foibles too-they add lovely layers of complexity to the show. I don't think William has to get used to being a kept man, but he is going to have to accept that he's not going to be the sole provider. More than that, I think he's going to have to get used to Julia choosing a lifestyle for herself, and completely funding it for herself. She is a completely autonomous woman. William should feel secure in that she has freely chosen to love him, but men are used to love being shaped by the dependency of their women. There's going to be some cognitive dissonance there. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 5:20:04 GMT
I made a point to check. They are indeed SH4 boys. My thought was "Shouldn't you be down at the docks helping out your brothers in a known hostile and violent area instead of women who were peacefully protesting and were attacked by a man?" I wonder how that's going to be dealt with next week. Let's see where the women are jailed next week. I bet we haz found a nitpicky error. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 5:22:23 GMT
Yep, SH4 coppers. Looks like William doesn't break J/E out of jail though as they're in court next week. Now you're talking! He'll never be as rich as George though. I always wondered how he could afford the top hat and tails unless he rents them. I did note it's always the same top hat though. Did I mention how much I hate top hats? They really don't suit anyone, well, maybe there's one exception and I'm stunned at that. I found it funny when they put William in a top hat because in the past MM has always used top hats to indicate ridiculousness or the "toff" class. I'm not sure, but I thought one of the guys carrying the corpse in On the Waterfront had a top hat, which was worth a giggle. But William didn't look bad in it, and I thought that was supposed to represent his rising prospects... (which were then dashed by the promotion of Slorach). Anyway William has to find other alternatives now. If he can't get around the prejudice in the police force, he can find other ways to build his reputation and make a career: write articles, write books, lecture, etc. I'm sure Julia will have ideas about that. I took the top hat, tux, fancy dates to be an indicator of him working much harder to woo Julia an "arouse he passions". Again, he's not a Rockefeller, but he's not destitute either. He is looking to move up, and the Inspector's already admonished him for not owning formal wear-dress for the position you want-not the one you have! He probably also dipped into his considerable savings which were augmented with Yukon Gold money. I don't like the idea of him secretly inheriting a house or large sum of cash because it's too neat and unrealistic. Keep it real, MM! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 5:26:18 GMT
Anyone notice that while he wearing the jacket, it wasn't buttoned. He's usually fully buttoned up when he sees her-he may have felt uncomfortable about that too. The only time I can think of him not wearing a jacket around her is in Last Train to Kingston, and Unfinished Business. hmm, I noticed it was unbuttoned at the end of the twiddle, but I thought it was because Julia unbuttoned it. I'll have to watch again. Julia certainly knows how to play him like a Stradivarius! Nope-it's unbuttoned around Emily before Julia walks in-and then she unexpectedly walks in! Oops- he's half undone! |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 9, 2014 5:27:38 GMT
Anyone notice that while he wearing the jacket, it wasn't buttoned. He's usually fully buttoned up when he sees her-he may have felt uncomfortable about that too. The only time I can think of him not wearing a jacket around her is in Last Train to Kingston, and Unfinished Business. hmm, I noticed it was unbuttoned at the end of the twiddle, but I thought it was because Julia unbuttoned it. I'll have to watch again. Julia certainly knows how to play him like a Stradivarius! In all 7 seasons and now S8E1 I have NEVER seen William's jacket buttoned. Trust me, I'd have noticed, I love William's suits, especially the vests. |
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Everything can come off except the black tie? Ok, have to go away and dwell on that thought for a while...... 
I was more in line with that the tie is the keeper of William's "dark places" or erotic urges. If the tie is firmly in place, he's a respectable, proper man. If the tie is off, he's a lusty beast! At least around Julia. You know how a couple smoking used to be code for intimacy had just taken place-I think William being calm around Julia sans tie is going to be MM code for the same thing. 
Hey, he had to get the money for that French restaurant and top hat from somewhere!