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Post by Hodge on Oct 9, 2014 5:34:33 GMT
More than that, I think he's going to have to get used to Julia choosing a lifestyle for herself, and completely funding it for herself. She is a completely autonomous woman. William should feel secure in that she has freely chosen to love him, but men are used to love being shaped by the dependency of their women. There's going to be some cognitive dissonance there. William has known from the start that Julia is an independent woman and doesn't need a man (which makes me wonder why she chose to marry Darcy). She has freely chosen to love him, and marry him because of love not need and William is aware of this too. I don't see any dissonance with regard to any of this. He chose to court and marry an independent woman that he knows he can't control. I've always wondered why such a socially, mentally and physically repressed man would choose such a modern, independent woman. I guess opposites attract. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 6:52:24 GMT
I took the top hat, tux, fancy dates to be an indicator of him working much harder to woo Julia an "arouse he passions". Again, he's not a Rockefeller, but he's not destitute either. He is looking to move up, and the Inspector's already admonished him for not owning formal wear-dress for the position you want-not the one you have! Poor William: he's wont to make those grand gestures, but it seems like he needs to be prompted first!  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 6:54:42 GMT
Nope-it's unbuttoned around Emily before Julia walks in-and then she unexpectedly walks in! Oops- he's half undone! hmm, that's almost suspicious where William is concerned. Good thing I'm certain Emily is a sapphist! |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 6:56:32 GMT
In all 7 seasons and now S8E1 I have NEVER seen William's jacket buttoned. Trust me, I'd have noticed, I love William's suits, especially the vests. Someone has been watching very closely indeed!  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 7:15:04 GMT
William has known from the start that Julia is an independent woman and doesn't need a man (which makes me wonder why she chose to marry Darcy). She has freely chosen to love him, and marry him because of love not need and William is aware of this too. I don't see any dissonance with regard to any of this. He chose to court and marry an independent woman that he knows he can't control. I've always wondered why such a socially, mentally and physically repressed man would choose such a modern, independent woman. I guess opposites attract. I think Julia has some internal contradictions going on - like whether William should rescue her or not. And whether she wants to be equal in all things, or whether she wants William to take charge and sweep her off her feet, etc. Julia probably faced another contradiction in whether she "needed" to get married or not. She obviously resented the pressure from her father, and her marriage to Darcy seemed partially to relieve that pressure. However, some of her earlier behavior around William seemed to me be that of a desperate spinster who knew this was her last shot at getting married and couldn't let that that chance slip through her fingers. I think it was important for Julia to feel independent, like she didn't have to get married. But when push came to shove in her 30s, she caved in to the pressure. She might not have married Darcy if William hadn't happened first, but William opened the door to the possibility of marriage, and then she was on the rebound from that disappointment, and she was probably looking for proof that a man would make a lifetime commitment to her. After Julia "did" marriage with Darcy, she could easily live as an independent woman again, and now she has even more means to do so. But she does love William, and for her marriage means coming to some accommodation that will allow her to retain the autonomy she has forged throughout her life while engaging in freely chosen moments of intimacy. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 9:43:07 GMT
hmm, I noticed it was unbuttoned at the end of the twiddle, but I thought it was because Julia unbuttoned it. I'll have to watch again. Julia certainly knows how to play him like a Stradivarius! In all 7 seasons and now S8E1 I have NEVER seen William's jacket buttoned. Trust me, I'd have noticed, I love William's suits, especially the vests. Do you mean buttoned around Julia? Because he's usually quite buttoned up around. I've also been looking for instances where he was just wearing a vest around Julia, and Unfinished Business and Murdoch Air are all that come to mind. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 9:59:50 GMT
Yep, SH4 coppers. Looks like William doesn't break J/E out of jail though as they're in court next week. Now you're talking! He'll never be as rich as George though. I always wondered how he could afford the top hat and tails unless he rents them. I did note it's always the same top hat though. Did I mention how much I hate top hats? They really don't suit anyone, well, maybe there's one exception and I'm stunned at that. Anyway William has to find other alternatives now. If he can't get around the prejudice in the police force, he can find other ways to build his reputation and make a career: write articles, write books, lecture, etc. I'm sure Julia will have ideas about that. He doesn't have to leave-once Julia makes it clear to him that she doesn't care what his position is/how much money he makes, he may be fine with where he is. But that discussion needs to happen first-and I think it will. Once he realizes that, he may be fine with his current position-but right now, he's worried that it's not good enough for Julia. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 13:44:26 GMT
hmm, I noticed it was unbuttoned at the end of the twiddle, but I thought it was because Julia unbuttoned it. I'll have to watch again. Julia certainly knows how to play him like a Stradivarius! In all 7 seasons and now S8E1 I have NEVER seen William's jacket buttoned. Trust me, I'd have noticed, I love William's suits, especially the vests. I don't know, there are times when it's unbuttoned, or he's in just his vest, but not usually in front of Julia. Maybe not all the time, but he tends to be buttoned up around her. I'm keeping an eye out for these occurrences-I might be mistaken but it just seems to be a thing. We got through season 3, when we decided last weekend to binge watch season 7 so he'd be up to date. Now, we're back in season 4 and just finished Buffalo Shuffle.  Can I say that I hope there's more of William in just his vest this season? That needs to happen a lot more. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 9, 2014 14:34:00 GMT
In all 7 seasons and now S8E1 I have NEVER seen William's jacket buttoned. Trust me, I'd have noticed, I love William's suits, especially the vests. Do you mean buttoned around Julia? Because he's usually quite buttoned up around. I've also been looking for instances where he was just wearing a vest around Julia, and Unfinished Business and Murdoch Air are all that come to mind. His suit jacket has never been buttoned, anywhere, ever. Even in winter with his overcoat on both coats are unbuttoned. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 9, 2014 14:43:25 GMT
In all 7 seasons and now S8E1 I have NEVER seen William's jacket buttoned. Trust me, I'd have noticed, I love William's suits, especially the vests. I don't know, there are times when it's unbuttoned, or he's in just his vest, but not usually in front of Julia. Maybe not all the time, but he tends to be buttoned up around her. I'm keeping an eye out for these occurrences-I might be mistaken but it just seems to be a thing. We got through season 3, when we decided last weekend to binge watch season 7 so he'd be up to date. Now, we're back in season 4 and just finished Buffalo Shuffle. Can I say that I hope there's more of William in just his vest this season? That needs to happen a lot more. William may be buttoned up but his jacket never is and there have been several occasions where he's been in a vest, two have been mentioned but also The Green Muse, at the picnic, and Shades of Grey when Julia visits him at work. Hmm, both moments of intimacy.... |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 9, 2014 14:45:07 GMT
In all 7 seasons and now S8E1 I have NEVER seen William's jacket buttoned. Trust me, I'd have noticed, I love William's suits, especially the vests. Someone has been watching very closely indeed! Clothes maketh the man!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 9, 2014 16:08:44 GMT
Do you mean buttoned around Julia? Because he's usually quite buttoned up around. I've also been looking for instances where he was just wearing a vest around Julia, and Unfinished Business and Murdoch Air are all that come to mind. His suit jacket has never been buttoned, anywhere, ever. Even in winter with his overcoat on both coats are unbuttoned. It seems you're right-I wonder why I always thought it was buttoned up? |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 17:00:21 GMT
In all 7 seasons and now S8E1 I have NEVER seen William's jacket buttoned. Trust me, I'd have noticed, I love William's suits, especially the vests. Do you mean buttoned around Julia? Because he's usually quite buttoned up around. I've also been looking for instances where he was just wearing a vest around Julia, and Unfinished Business and Murdoch Air are all that come to mind. Maybe you've just seen the vest buttoned!  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 17:02:23 GMT
Anyway William has to find other alternatives now. If he can't get around the prejudice in the police force, he can find other ways to build his reputation and make a career: write articles, write books, lecture, etc. I'm sure Julia will have ideas about that. He doesn't have to leave-once Julia makes it clear to him that she doesn't care what his position is/how much money he makes, he may be fine with where he is. But that discussion needs to happen first-and I think it will. Once he realizes that, he may be fine with his current position-but right now, he's worried that it's not good enough for Julia. I'm hoping there will also be another more positive discussion about other things William can do to forge his career (if he wants to). Re: write some articles, write a book... |
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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 17:06:46 GMT
I don't know, there are times when it's unbuttoned, or he's in just his vest, but not usually in front of Julia. Maybe not all the time, but he tends to be buttoned up around her. I'm keeping an eye out for these occurrences-I might be mistaken but it just seems to be a thing. We got through season 3, when we decided last weekend to binge watch season 7 so he'd be up to date. Now, we're back in season 4 and just finished Buffalo Shuffle. Can I say that I hope there's more of William in just his vest this season? That needs to happen a lot more. At the very least, William is extremely ironed! It was funny to see Julia wrinkle up his lapels like that! I second the vested casanova action hero hottie! |
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