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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 17, 2014 21:00:10 GMT
He also didn't want her to go to Buffalo in the first place, even though that was a better move for her career-he wanted her to remain where she was. This is a good point. William wouldn't have moved to Buffalo. Would we have called him selfish? Instead we would have defended him on the basis of his "family" being in Toronto and William being such a homebody. It takes two to tango. By little things, I meant super little things: taking the last slice of pie, taking all the hot water in the bathroom, hogging the covers in bed. William is going to have to be vigilant to not let her get away with it! While I agree the first impulse of humans is to be selfish, I hope the second is to be socially cooperative. I must confess to hating Ayn Rand the middle class economy destroying horse she rode in on.  Exactly-we defend William's acts of selfishness because they're who he is, while we admonish Julia for similar patterns. It does indeed take two to tango-and these two have indeed tangoed! As for the little things, these are the little moments I want to see addressed in either fanfic, or in sweet moments in the show. Not as a plotline.  There's only a couple of individuals I am a devotee of wholly and unreservedly, and Ayn Rand is not one of them. However, I think her thoughts on selfishness are spot on! |
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Post by snacky on Oct 17, 2014 21:39:23 GMT
Exactly-we defend William's acts of selfishness because they're who he is, while we admonish Julia for similar patterns. It does indeed take two to tango-and these two have indeed tangoed! As for the little things, these are the little moments I want to see addressed in either fanfic, or in sweet moments in the show. Not as a plotline. There's only a couple of individuals I am a devotee of wholly and unreservedly, and Ayn Rand is not one of them. However, I think her thoughts on selfishness are spot on! Selfishness has to be combined with intelligence and foresight and social awareness to get "enlightened self-interest" - and here is where, IMHO, Rand got everything wrong. Altruism has been proven as an actual biological impulse, too. I totally agree about the sweet little moments in the show - I was just speculating on how the idea "Julia is selfish" gets reinforced when she does make big sacrifices for William. It does seem curious that William's psychopathologies become issues of sympathy while Julia's "daddy issues" become irritants. I like this "two to tango" metaphor even if I did come up with it myself. They both have their selfish motives and are in ongoing negotiations. But both are willing to make sacrifices for the other as well. That's what love is all about. Julia does love William. |
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Post by carco on Nov 7, 2014 6:49:52 GMT
Btw can someone tells me what language Slorach's mother and the women were speaking (is it Swedish, Finnish or something close to that?). I'm glad Brackenreid is back on the side of the law, he was a bit scary being bent on revenge like he was and I'm very happy he's getting his job and office back (although I admit I will miss Det. Slorach it was very nice to see him again on the show). George and Edna….hum I'm intrigued now (I'm sure Emily & George will get back together at some point but in the meantime I'm happy to see Edna back as George and her had a good connection in the pilot episode). Now for the spineless brat Leslie Garland, hopefully that's the last time we hear or see from him ever again as William "law of the jungle" attitude probably scared him off for good (at least I hope so). Very sorry for the novel like post but I've had so many good things to say about it. Roll on episode #3 now I'm more than ready!!!! Slorach's mother was speaking Hungarian if I remember correctly. I liked Edna and I recall a lot of fans saying last year that they'd like to see Edna again.....and lo and behold they brought her back! I don't know what they have in mind for her as in how many episodes she'll be in but she was very sweet but a little more risque than George in the first episode. It seems that life has given her some knocks since then and now she is raising a stepson alone. In a way she remind me of Enid with Murdoch and we know how that ended---and why. I'm wondering if we'll see Leslie again. We could since they haven't killed him yet.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 7, 2014 7:10:04 GMT
Now for the spineless brat Leslie Garland, I'm wondering if we'll see Leslie again. We could since they haven't killed him yet. My theory is we will see Leslie back as a shady Black Hand/ Waterfront lawyer since no one else will hire him. But he will do good, and die for it, in the end because MM loves a twist. |
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Post by carco on Nov 7, 2014 7:19:47 GMT
I'm wondering if we'll see Leslie again. We could since they haven't killed him yet. My theory is we will see Leslie back as a shady Black Hand/ Waterfront lawyer since no one else will hire him. But he will do good, and die for it, in the end because MM loves a twist. Hmmmm, interesting thought. But I guess before I add anything further to a discussion of the perceived future of Leslie Garland we'd have to take it to the Season 8 thread or Spoilers Ahoy thread (spoilers). Meanwhile, it's 2 am here so that may be for tomorrow for me.  |
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Post by snacky on Apr 20, 2015 7:32:34 GMT
Finally reached Season 8 with eclair! In retrospect, OtW 1 and 2 were good - especially when viewed together. One thing that caught my eye was the difference between William's efforts to keep an eye on Julia then and in The Incurables. In OtW William was concerned that Julia's activities would get her arrested. Even though we didn't see the scene where he talked to her in jail, we were informed that he was concerned with that. And, of course, when William makes his surprise intervention against Leslie at the end we get the impression that he's been keeping an eye on Julia, from a respectful distance, all along. We didn't get that impression from The Incurables. Instead, we got the impression that William was oblivious to Julia's fears and just deferred when Julia pushed him away. At the end when William identified the murderer, he was playing catch-up - that's why he got there too late. And, of course, during the coda scene all they do is chat about the case rather than make up over clever tie play. Bah humbug. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Apr 20, 2015 7:42:37 GMT
Finally reached Season 8 with eclair! In retrospect, OtW 1 and 2 were good - especially when viewed together. One thing that caught my eye was the difference between William's efforts to keep an eye on Julia then and in The Incurables. In OtW William was concerned that Julia's activities would get her arrested. Even though we didn't see the scene where he talked to her in jail, we were informed that he was concerned with that. And, of course, when William makes his surprise intervention against Leslie at the end we get the impression that he's been keeping an eye on Julia, from a respectful distance, all along. We didn't get that impression from The Incurables. Instead, we got the impression that William was oblivious to Julia's fears and just deferred when Julia pushed him away. At the end when William identified the murderer, he was playing catch-up - that's why he got there too late. And, of course, during the coda scene all they do is chat about the case rather than make up over clever tie play. Bah humbug. Agreed, OtW viewed together were awesome! Yes, ITA about your thoughts regarding William; he was keeping nice distance, but still keeping an eye on her. In the Incurables, he does go back to the office after she admonishes him for expecting her home to do some investigating of his own, but he's definitely more reserved here. I was was hoping the distance was intentional, but apparently it wasn't. At least PM admitted they may have panned out a bit too much on the core characters and too much focus on supporting characters. This wasn't the best core character season, but a good George/Emily season. Problem is, the show is not Crabtree's Capers or Grace's Anatomy! |
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Post by snacky on Apr 20, 2015 9:03:31 GMT
This wasn't the best core character season, but a good George/Emily season. Problem is, the show is not Crabtree's Capers or Grace's Anatomy! ROFL! That's the perfect way to put it! I still need to bloc out the time to finish your novel and get my Jilliam fix.  Need to see what happened with this week's Infernal Device Webisode, too. I'm surprised no one reported on that! |
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Post by Hodge on Apr 20, 2015 15:54:33 GMT
This wasn't the best core character season, but a good George/Emily season. Problem is, the show is not Crabtree's Capers or Grace's Anatomy! ROFL! That's the perfect way to put it! I still need to bloc out the time to finish your novel and get my Jilliam fix. Need to see what happened with this week's Infernal Device Webisode, too. I'm surprised no one reported on that! To be honest I'm finding The Infernal Device a little ho hum. Perhaps in another couple of weeks when there are more clues I'll be more interested. I did enjoy Nightmare on Queen St. but I did the whole thing in one go long after it was put up. I hate WIP I don't have the patience to wait for the next chapter, I'd rather wait until the end.  |
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Post by snacky on Apr 22, 2015 16:02:21 GMT
ROFL! That's the perfect way to put it! I still need to bloc out the time to finish your novel and get my Jilliam fix. Need to see what happened with this week's Infernal Device Webisode, too. I'm surprised no one reported on that! To be honest I'm finding The Infernal Device a little ho hum. Perhaps in another couple of weeks when there are more clues I'll be more interested. I did enjoy Nightmare on Queen St. but I did the whole thing in one go long after it was put up. I hate WIP I don't have the patience to wait for the next chapter, I'd rather wait until the end. Still haven't had time to check out this week's installment, so maybe it's for the better. I do think the game structure is kind of cool. The set visits show there are some wannabe game-designers on staff with all the meticulous item arranging. |
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Post by lea on Sept 22, 2015 3:39:44 GMT
1. Waaa I'm forever sad we didn't get to see William talking to Julia after she was arrested. Is there a fic of this?! (I assume there probably is and I should probably go read it ) 2. Edna! Yay! I did really like her in the first episode. I am glad they brought her back. And I hope those two work out and they stop focusing on George's love life She can appear occasionally like Mrs. B does! 3. Leslie is annoying now. I hope they don't bring him back for season 9. He can stay mad somewhere else. 4. It was nice to see the Inspector really reconsider his job in these two episodes. We don't get to see the effect of what they do take a toll on them very often. I don't expect to see much of that with William as he is generally unaffected so it was nice that they touched on it with someone else. 5. Minus the cheesiest smile/laugh we'll ever see from William, I do like when he told Leslie to buzz off. I'm sure Julia could have gotten rid of him herself but it's nice to see William step in every now and then. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 22, 2015 5:23:17 GMT
3. Leslie is annoying now. I hope they don't bring him back for season 9. He can stay mad somewhere else. 5. Minus the cheesiest smile/laugh we'll ever see from William, I think it would be lame for Leslie to keep on trying to get revenge. I think he should end up as Black Hand or Waterfront gang lawyer (since no one else will hire him now). I also think it would be more interesting if Leslie seeks William's help or tries to change somehow. The only problem I have with his character is the risk of it becoming a one-dimensional parody of an obsessive bad date. I'm glad you said something about William's smile - it struck me as out of character much like the Vaudeville one. I'm not against William smiling: there's a post somewhere around here where I was collecting William smiles. I loved the fact they seemed to be reserved for totally geeky discoveries. I suppose it is romantic, as George pointed out, that William also smiles for Julia, but the cheesy smile doesn't seem to be the right one for her.  |
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Post by lea on Sept 22, 2015 13:59:32 GMT
3. Leslie is annoying now. I hope they don't bring him back for season 9. He can stay mad somewhere else. 5. Minus the cheesiest smile/laugh we'll ever see from William, I'm glad you said something about William's smile - it struck me as out of character much like the Vaudeville one. I'm not against William smiling: there's a post somewhere around here where I was collecting William smiles. I loved the fact they seemed to be reserved for totally geeky discoveries. I suppose it is romantic, as George pointed out, that William also smiles for Julia, but the cheesy smile doesn't seem to be the right one for her. Yeah it seemed out of place. It certainly fits better with the geeky stuff, like my favorite "Allowing me to change gears without dismounting!" |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 22, 2015 15:21:36 GMT
I think it would be lame for Leslie to keep on trying to get revenge. I think he should end up as Black Hand or Waterfront gang lawyer (since no one else will hire him now). I also think it would be more interesting if Leslie seeks William's help or tries to change somehow. The only problem I have with his character is the risk of it becoming a one-dimensional parody of an obsessive bad date. I'd be happier if Leslie just stayed away for good. Maybe he could move back to Buffalo! Never really liked his character. |
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Post by lea on Sept 22, 2015 22:20:09 GMT
I think it would be lame for Leslie to keep on trying to get revenge. I think he should end up as Black Hand or Waterfront gang lawyer (since no one else will hire him now). I also think it would be more interesting if Leslie seeks William's help or tries to change somehow. The only problem I have with his character is the risk of it becoming a one-dimensional parody of an obsessive bad date. I'd be happier if Leslie just stayed away for good. Maybe he could move back to Buffalo! Never really liked his character. Agreed! Heck, I could have done without Leslie all together. |
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