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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 19:17:09 GMT
I hate to sound so pedantic but the reality of lumber camps in the eastern part of Canada was not at all like gold camps--there was no going to town on Saturdays. The men in the camps had no contact with the outside world until the lumber was floated downstream in the spring. Regarding the logging camps: what about camp followers and Indian villages nearby? Where there are lonely single men with change in their pockets, there will be people providing entertainment of some sort. Regarding the Jesuit education, I'm almost sure William referred to that occurring in New Brunswick. He seems to have gotten around as a boy. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 19, 2014 19:22:51 GMT
I remember him saying something to that effect and that he wasn't going to start now or something like that. Don't remember what episode to even check it but it was when Brackenreid wanted him to have a drink. Eddie, and William, made comments about the troubles they got into, Eddie did comment about William believing the body was a temple though. I suspect he became more serious when Liza was ill then died and he was on the fast track to becoming a detective. I believe this was in a latter season episode, which would probably make the absinthe episode the last time William had a drink (excluding the Out of William experience in TMI). Which would mean William wasn't drinking anything alcoholic in the Yukon...? William had the Inspector pour them both a drink in "Murdoch in Wonderland" when he had to explain about Ava Moon. He asked the barkeep for water in MofK. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Oct 19, 2014 19:33:45 GMT
OK, that must be in the books I have yet to read about him studying to be a priest. Don't get me started but, William would be a very attractive Jesuit. Oh my. ( Forgive me Father, for I have sinned ...) I thought that he essentially went through high school before he left the Jesuits. Jesuits are just about the best teachers in the world and it is a hallmark of their order. It's just those black cassocks ... I think I'm going to have to go back and read at least the first book. There's talk on the FB page that Maureen's novella, Shipwreck, is the basis for the ep on William's backstory. Apparently it's available on Kobo but hard copies are hard to find. Just ordered the first three Judith Rock books--they sound intriguing. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 19, 2014 19:37:08 GMT
I think I'm going to have to go back and read at least the first book. There's talk on the FB page that Maureen's novella, Shipwreck, is the basis for the ep on William's backstory. Apparently it's available on Kobo but hard copies are hard to find. Just ordered the first three Judith Rock books--they sound intriguing. They do look interesting. Let us know what you think. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Oct 19, 2014 19:44:37 GMT
I hate to sound so pedantic but the reality of lumber camps in the eastern part of Canada was not at all like gold camps--there was no going to town on Saturdays. The men in the camps had no contact with the outside world until the lumber was floated downstream in the spring. Regarding the logging camps: what about camp followers and Indian villages nearby? Where there are lonely single men with change in their pockets, there will be people providing entertainment of some sort. Regarding the Jesuit education, I'm almost sure William referred to that occurring in New Brunswick. He seems to have gotten around as a boy. A yes, the New Brunswick slip up. WM said that in Season 4 Monsieur Murdoch, but I am almost positive the books and show refer to Nova Scotia as his home. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 20:13:03 GMT
I completely agree with you that conditions in the logging camps were much different than in the Klondike, but historically, anywhere men go there are at least a few women, from the crusades through the Civil War. ...and now I'll backtrack on my own argument...William would definitely not engage with those women. Scraggly camp followers - nay. Local town/Indian village - maybe. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 20:32:52 GMT
It also doesn't add up for me because it undermines the whole notion of William being a "self-made man" without higher education, struggling to hold his own in the middle class against people with a formal education. I'm so confused  . How the heck are we supposed to go hog-wild with speculation if we can't even nail down basic facts?? We need that retrospective ep ASAP! We should get the basic facts from the "background" epidsode at some point! In the meantime, I'm pretty sure William's education was limited to the "high school" level with Jesuit teachers in New Brunswick. After that he kicked around at odd jobs trying to support himself, and those jobs including stints at ranching and time at a logging camp. Seasonal work. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 19, 2014 20:37:15 GMT
I'm so confused . How the heck are we supposed to go hog-wild with speculation if we can't even nail down basic facts?? We need that retrospective ep ASAP! We should get the basic facts from the "background" epidsode at some point! In the meantime, I'm pretty sure William's education was limited to the "high school" level with Jesuit teachers in New Brunswick. After that he kicked around at odd jobs trying to support himself, and those jobs including stints at ranching and time at a logging camp. Seasonal work. That sounds more like my cumulative recollections from the books and the series. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 20:37:39 GMT
You are right about camp followers throughout history, but the Canadian lumber camps were the exception to the rule. They were located in remote parts of the forests where there were no roads, no access whatsoever. The men built roads and paths to move logs along in the fall then cut and positioned the logs to be floated downstream in the spring. There simply was no access in or out for men or women. But wouldn't their routes pass by settlements? In Nothing Too Good for a Cowboy, Rich's wife seem to be able to reach the logging camp where he was working. Also, in episodes where they made their way along obscure trails, they often came across various mountain settlements and Indian villages as well. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 20:40:37 GMT
OK, that must be in the books I have yet to read about him studying to be a priest. Don't get me started but, William would be a very attractive Jesuit. Oh my. ( Forgive me Father, for I have sinned ...) I thought that he essentially went through high school before he left the Jesuits. Jesuits are just about the best teachers in the world and it is a hallmark of their order. It's just those black cassocks ... Yes that's what I meant - he only went through high school with the Jesuits. No black cassock for William, I'm afraid.  I'm almost sure William has mentioned being educated in New Brunswick in the show. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 20:43:26 GMT
OK, that must be in the books I have yet to read about him studying to be a priest. Don't get me started but, William would be a very attractive Jesuit. Oh my. ( Forgive me Father, for I have sinned ...) I thought that he essentially went through high school before he left the Jesuits. Jesuits are just about the best teachers in the world and it is a hallmark of their order. It's just those black cassocks ... I think I'm going to have to go back and read at least the first book. There's talk on the FB page that Maureen's novella, Shipwreck, is the basis for the ep on William's backstory. Apparently it's available on Kobo but hard copies are hard to find. I believe Carco mentioned the plot involves William as a young boy. (Now I think I remember something about casting William as a young boy, too!). He finds the survivors of a shipwreck. One is a woman with a secret. He might know such and such high and mighty political figure is illegitimate or something. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 20:44:46 GMT
OK, that must be in the books I have yet to read about him studying to be a priest. Don't get me started but, William would be a very attractive Jesuit. Oh my. ( Forgive me Father, for I have sinned ...) I thought that he essentially went through high school before he left the Jesuits. Jesuits are just about the best teachers in the world and it is a hallmark of their order. It's just those black cassocks ... I think I'm going to have to go back and read at least the first book. There's talk on the FB page that Maureen's novella, Shipwreck, is the basis for the ep on William's backstory. Apparently it's available on Kobo but hard copies are hard to find. See if your library had Overdrive ebooks. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 20:49:51 GMT
I believe this was in a latter season episode, which would probably make the absinthe episode the last time William had a drink (excluding the Out of William experience in TMI). Which would mean William wasn't drinking anything alcoholic in the Yukon...? William had the Inspector pour them both a drink in "Murdoch in Wonderland" when he had to explain about Ava Moon. He asked the barkeep for water in MofK. hmm, so "haven't had a drink in years" would have to be years after "Murdoch in Wonderland"... |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 20:55:55 GMT
I think I'm going to have to go back and read at least the first book. There's talk on the FB page that Maureen's novella, Shipwreck, is the basis for the ep on William's backstory. Apparently it's available on Kobo but hard copies are hard to find. Just ordered the first three Judith Rock books--they sound intriguing. Wow! Well, I feel pretty confident in my recommendation of them. The historical detail is excellent. I think you will enjoy them. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 19, 2014 21:00:11 GMT
Regarding the logging camps: what about camp followers and Indian villages nearby? Where there are lonely single men with change in their pockets, there will be people providing entertainment of some sort. Regarding the Jesuit education, I'm almost sure William referred to that occurring in New Brunswick. He seems to have gotten around as a boy. A yes, the New Brunswick slip up. WM said that in Season 4 Monsieur Murdoch, but I am almost positive the books and show refer to Nova Scotia as his home. Nova Scotia was his home, but I think the children had to go live with an aunt after their mother died. That might have been in New Brunswick. |
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. How the heck are we supposed to go hog-wild with speculation if we can't even nail down basic facts?? We need that retrospective ep ASAP!
Jan 30, 2013 21:44:55 GMT