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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 9:09:51 GMT
Emily would treat a relationship with LM as a science experiment. I don't think Emily is attracted to women per se but the unknown aspect. She has done the men part of her experiment so now it's time to try women. She never got to try the experiment in S5 fully so this time she will go the whole way. I agree with this, but can't that be said in regard for adolescent sexuality in general? Everything is an experiment until you try it. There would be no literature and very little cultural context (I say "very little" because I think there may have been some sensational trials around this time) for Emily to frame her feelings and explorations in. Today if someone decides they are "lesbian" the experience would be very different. They have literature and role models to refer to. They have "reality checks". They can go to therapy if they so chose to explore those feelings. They have places to meet partners. There's still probably a feeling of social social liberation/rebellionsness/terror in coming out to your parents, but its not the Total Unknown of the early 20th century. I take it back - it wasn't a Total Unknown. Historically, sapphism is something that occasionally went on between companionable women before they got married and sometimes, stealthily, during marriage, among the aristocracy. It wasn't seen as a barrier to marriage. It was definitely not a "middle class" thing, though, so I don't know what Emily's exposure would be. She did have upper class friends in college. Anyway I agree this is a sexual adventure for Emily. But you know what - a relationship with a man would be a sexual adventure for Emily, too. IMHO, that's just how she would see it either way. That's what she's in the relationship for at this point in her life. She's an explorer, a thrill-seeker, and secretly she wants to be a non-conformist. One thing she does NOT need, though, is to be contained by a man's needs. Also, while I am straight, I'm trying to tell myself that just because *I* am not turned on by Lillian, doesn't mean Emily isn't.  |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 28, 2015 9:11:33 GMT
Canadian culture is something that has been ever evolving and changing and we often define ourselves as something we are not, as in we are not American. In Murdoch's time, that probably would have been the primary defining thing. This is one of the reasons I love Murdoch and hope it carries on. It is a programme based on Canadians telling their own story, for a change, because that is something we haven't done a very good job of . Now. I'll get off of my soapbox...... I don't think Canadians really know what their culture is themselves. It's only outsiders that see that things are different here, even if they can't put their finger on what. It's like when you go over the border to the US it just feels different no matter how many times you cross. It's like the air is different. Canadians haven't done any kind of job telling their own story, I don't think they've tried until recently. That's one of the things I love about MM, it's a Canadian made show telling a Canadian story and EXPORTING it! Despite the fact it's written by a transplanted Brit!! How many Canadian shows pretend to be in the US? Admittedly not as many as their use to be, times are finally changing, but they're still out there. It's time Canadians realized that they're just as important and interesting as the US or Europe. I agree that in Murdoch's time not being American would probably be the primary defining feature. It was after all one of the reasons Canada was founded in the first place. I also love the way MM deals with 'the Americans'. Actually I'm surprised Americans love it so much considering the way America is treated in the show. I quite agree, and I think that is partly because it has been quite fluid with each wave of Immigration, and partly being located next to a one powerful nation, which has occasionally had designs on it, and as a collection of former colonies, was historically dominated by Great Britain, from whom we inherited our institutions and system of government.
The fact that Murdoch is the creation of a transplanted Brit is appropriate somehow, especially given the period it covers. I've forgotten the percentage, but the majority of men who enlisted in the Canadian Army at the beginning of WWI were British born. It is high time we started telling our own stories, with pride, but not ignoring the warts along the way.
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 9:12:39 GMT
I get the vibe she literally isn't long for this world just because of a certain look she has. But that just makes me more interested in what her fate will be. Hopefully it will be a good sendoff. It'd be satisfying for me if she pulled a Sally Pendrick and committed some extremist act and went on the run. That reminds me, I wonder what kind of story it would take bring Sally Pendrick back ? Ooh I hope Sally comes back! I keep hoping she comes back as an Unseen Mastermind for a while - using Leslie as an underworld "mob lawyer" because that's the only work he can get now. (Of course Leslie ends up dead because this is all way above his pathetic plottings - though he might attempt to do the right thing in the end, too). Nice new avatar! |
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 9:16:42 GMT
I quite agree, and I think that is partly because it has been quite fluid with each wave of Immigration, and partly being located next to a one powerful nation, which has occasionally had designs on it, and as a collection of former colonies, was historically dominated by Great Britain, from whom we inherited our institutions and system of government.
The fact that Murdoch is the creation of a transplanted Brit is appropriate somehow, especially given the period it covers. I've forgotten the percentage, but the majority of men who enlisted in the Canadian Army at the beginning of WWI were British born. It is high time we started telling our own stories, with pride, but not ignoring the warts along the way.
As an American viewer, I love that MM is told solidly from a Canadian perspective (and unafraid to critique the US historic legacy in the process). I also enjoy learning about Canadian history, which was almost a total blank to me before. I also know historic Toronto better than any major American city now.  |
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 9:19:56 GMT
In the episode set in Chinatown, you heard the Chinese businessman refer to bringing people over and paying the head tax. They really were treated appallingly, and would have been a fairly small minority.
Whilst the Chinese community in Toronto may have been small the number of Chinese in Canada at the time was staggeringly high. I believe one of the largest groups of immigrants at the time. As you said, imported as cheap labour. I brought it up because the Chinese played a significant role in building the US railroads and were then treated terribly instead of as a "founding culture". I was wondering if the same thing happened in Canada. Apparently so! |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 28, 2015 9:21:29 GMT
In the episode set in Chinatown, you heard the Chinese businessman refer to bringing people over and paying the head tax. They really were treated appallingly, and would have been a fairly small minority.
Whilst the Chinese community in Toronto may have been small the number of Chinese in Canada at the time was staggeringly high. I believe one of the largest groups of immigrants at the time. As you said, imported as cheap labour. About 10,000 Chinese labourers were brought in to work on the railway alone 1881,mostly to British Columbia which only had a population of about 35,000. They were paid $1 a day, whereas white labourers were paid at least $3. They also did a lot of the work involving explosives, so their death rate was higher. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 9:21:56 GMT
I don't think Canadians really know what their culture is themselves. It's only outsiders that see that things are different here, even if they can't put their finger on what. I We know exactly what. You have healthcare!  |
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Post by lilac on Jan 28, 2015 9:23:09 GMT
Hopefully it will be a good sendoff. It'd be satisfying for me if she pulled a Sally Pendrick and committed some extremist act and went on the run. That reminds me, I wonder what kind of story it would take bring Sally Pendrick back ? Ooh I hope Sally comes back! I keep hoping she comes back as an Unseen Mastermind for a while - using Leslie as an underworld "mob lawyer" because that's the only work he can get now. (Of course Leslie ends up dead because this is all way above his pathetic plottings - though he might attempt to do the right thing in the end, too). Nice new avatar! I wouldn't mind Leslie having a nice offscreen death. I was going to ask if MM has ever had an unseen mastermind before and funnily enough they've had two albeit one more shocking than the other. First Sally Pendrick, who committed crimes behind the scenes all the while framing her husband and and secondly with the dock manager who controlled the Waterfront although I guessed she was up to something the first time she talked to William. Thanks! I got tired of the default icon and Sherlock/Ben Kingsley's my favourite guest star. If there was Sherlock centric episode every season I wouldn't mind (although the material would probably run dry after one or two more, preferably one of those being a wedding to Nanny Webb) |
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 9:24:06 GMT
Whilst the Chinese community in Toronto may have been small the number of Chinese in Canada at the time was staggeringly high. I believe one of the largest groups of immigrants at the time. As you said, imported as cheap labour. About 10,000 Chinese labourers were brought in to work on the railway alone 1881,mostly to British Columbia which only had a population of about 35,000. They were paid $1 a day, whereas white labourers were paid at least $3. They also did a lot of the work involving explosives, so their death rate was higher. To me "multiculturalism" is appreciating the history of stuff like this. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 28, 2015 9:28:55 GMT
Whilst the Chinese community in Toronto may have been small the number of Chinese in Canada at the time was staggeringly high. I believe one of the largest groups of immigrants at the time. As you said, imported as cheap labour. I brought it up because the Chinese played a significant role in building the US railroads and were then treated terribly instead of as a "founding culture". I was wondering if the same thing happened in Canada. Apparently so! You got it!! |
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 9:34:13 GMT
I wouldn't mind Leslie having a nice offscreen death. I was going to ask if MM has ever had an unseen mastermind before and funnily enough they've had two albeit one more shocking than the other. First Sally Pendrick, who committed crimes behind the scenes all the while framing her husband and and secondly with the dock manager who controlled the Waterfront although I guessed she was up to something the first time she talked to William. Hmm I guess you're right, we've already had female hidden master minds. The problem with the Waterfront one is they got rid of her after 2 episodes, though. They should have let her get away. One thing MM is missing is an ongoing Moriarty that is NOT ANNOYING. Gillies was annoying. Not just because he kept escaping the noose at the last minute, but because he had the annoying type of insanity, did stuff for stupid reasons, and set up traps that looked like something out of The Prisoner. Of course, the last time we saw Sally Pendrick she was firing a Tesla Death Ray from a wagon, so that's almost as bad in terms of schlock factor. Sally had potential for great genius, though, if the writers would treat her like one. She could be the cold and calculating kind of Moriarty, not the annoying giggly kind. |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 28, 2015 9:58:48 GMT
I don't think Canadians really know what their culture is themselves. It's only outsiders that see that things are different here, even if they can't put their finger on what. I We know exactly what. You have healthcare! And tuques........ |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 28, 2015 12:08:05 GMT
We know exactly what. You have healthcare! And tuques........ And Poutine! I was in Dallas last month and my cousin took me to a hot new hipster restaurant that served this amazing dish called Poutine. I just laughed and told him it was purportedly the national dish of Canada. Like me, he can't understand how it hasn't become more popular in the States. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Jan 28, 2015 15:16:00 GMT
One goes to sleep for eightish hours and like 12 pages of conversations crop up!
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Post by lizmc on Jan 28, 2015 17:44:36 GMT
And Poutine! I was in Dallas last month and my cousin took me to a hot new hipster restaurant that served this amazing dish called Poutine. I just laughed and told him it was purportedly the national dish of Canada. Like me, he can't understand how it hasn't become more popular in the States. Interesting about poutine......as far as traditional foods go, it isn't that old.....it was developed in Montreal in the 1950s and it didn't get really popular across Canada until the last decade or so.......a few years ago, on a trip to London, I took some English friends to the Maple Leaf pub and introduced them to poutine.....after looking at it with uncertainty for a few minutes, they loved it.....
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