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Post by snacky on Jan 30, 2015 0:00:32 GMT
Emily was also a bit rude to Julia when Julia walked away from leading the contraception protest. She was disappointed and wanted the people she was supposed to respect and defer to to be the change. Julia keeps disappointing her. Why is everyone so sure Julia, who DID sell out, is going to pull Emily back from Lillian's dangerous radicalism? Maybe Emily is finally ready to be the change instead of choosing safe conservative do-nothingness again... |
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Post by snacky on Jan 30, 2015 0:10:31 GMT
I like this tweet reply from The Hook. I also think that's the gist of it. Also, I realize I 've almost been apologizing for taking an understanding approach to Lillian, which I've attributed to identification from being in a radical political environment. But I realized people might just as well be indulging in over-identification with Julia and privileging conservative/safe values. They might get taken by surprise if the younger Emily doesn't choose what they expect/want!  |
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Post by ziggy on Feb 9, 2015 2:05:28 GMT
Pardon me if I can’t go through 20 pages before posting. I guess most things have been discussed already so I’ll try not to bore you. Please ignore any repetition.
I thought the idea of a killer corset was a good one but the plot was not properly put together. There wasn’t enough in it to keep me interested.
That Nicolette girl, lol – the way she sauntered in at the beginning, like a turkey with its tail in full spread, I knew she would be involved in the goings on. I couldn’t take my eyes off her from that moment on. A very crafty girl that got away with murder.
Lillian Moss is becoming an interesting character. There’s not enough about her yet to know whether she is good or bad. I don’t expect to see a lot of her after this season even if she becomes Emily’s love. It will mostly be off screen, so she won’t be taking up any air time for the prime characters. I’ll have her for Emily than George or any of the constables but it is time they really settled Emily once and for all. It’s been 4 seasons with her and we are still trying to figure out who she really is. She loves experiments and pushing all kinds of boundaries but ironically, she is becoming a good specimen for experiments and boundary pushing for the writers as they test their theories.
I wasn’t impressed with the way they portrayed the Inspector here. With all his piss and vinegar, I had never thought of him as an irresponsible man or father until now. To see him actively picking fights for his young son was disappointing. I suppose that was someone’s idea of having a laugh. That whole situation with him and the constables was not necessary and it wasn’t funny. They could have used the time to add more substance to the mystery by showing us the link between the seamstress and how she acquired her engineering skills to create such a device or explain why William will take home evidence from a crime scene without even stopping to think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 4:39:16 GMT
Pardon me if I can’t go through 20 pages before posting. I guess most things have been discussed already so I’ll try not to bore you. Please ignore any repetition. I thought the idea of a killer corset was a good one but the plot was not properly put together. There wasn’t enough in it to keep me interested. That Nicolette girl, lol – the way she sauntered in at the beginning, like a turkey with its tail in full spread, I knew she would be involved in the goings on. I couldn’t take my eyes off her from that moment on. A very crafty girl that got away with murder. Lillian Moss is becoming an interesting character. There’s not enough about her yet to know whether she is good or bad. I don’t expect to see a lot of her after this season even if she becomes Emily’s love. It will mostly be off screen, so she won’t be taking up any air time for the prime characters. I’ll have her for Emily than George or any of the constables but it is time they really settled Emily once and for all. It’s been 4 seasons with her and we are still trying to figure out who she really is. She loves experiments and pushing all kinds of boundaries but ironically, she is becoming a good specimen for experiments and boundary pushing for the writers as they test their theories. I wasn’t impressed with the way they portrayed the Inspector here. With all his piss and vinegar, I had never thought of him as an irresponsible man or father until now. To see him actively picking fights for his young son was disappointing. I suppose that was someone’s idea of having a laugh. That whole situation with him and the constables was not necessary and it wasn’t funny. They could have used the time to add more substance to the mystery by showing us the link between the seamstress and how she acquired her engineering skills to create such a device or explain why William will take home evidence from a crime scene without even stopping to think about it. I just re-watched this tonight and I agree with you about the side plot with the boys: I did not like it at all, and I really love seeing Crabtree! I guess this was meant to cement his relationship with Simon, as a father figure. I saw the whole trying on the corset thing as those two working together, which I really like. Otherwise it would have been quite difficult to figure out how the corset worked. But I agree that more detail about the chain mail ratchets would have been enlightening. I would have thought Lillian, with her engineering background, would have been the obvious perpetrator. She really grated on my nerves in her scenes with Julia. Maybe she was, originally, going to be the designer of the ratchets, but they changed the story along the way, so it would not be as obvious. She could still have been in cahoots with the cold blooded model who orchestrated the whole thing. But that would have taken her out of Emily's life. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 27, 2015 7:54:49 GMT
Maybe she was, originally, going to be the designer of the ratchets, but they changed the story along the way, so it would not be as obvious. She could still have been in cahoots with the cold blooded model who orchestrated the whole thing. But that would have taken her out of Emily's life. It's possible that they were waiting to see how chemistry developed with Lillian, just as they were with Edna. (This would also explain a lot of the last minute episode swapping and title-changing) So she might have been a potential villain at one point. It bothers me that they didn't explain how the actual villain developed this expertise. It's a rather elaborate - almost absurd - trap. The sort of trap a 5 year old might think up after playing a game of Mouse Trap. I would have liked a better explanation from William, too - particularly how he missed it before he let Julia try it on! |
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Post by Lucy on Apr 25, 2015 9:48:07 GMT
I'm not sure if I would like them to take things further with Emily and Lillian. I found the end scene very uncomfortable, I couldn't quite work out if it was supposed to point at romantic intentions or just the fact that it's a big step for a woman to not wear a corset. If it is romance then I think Lillian was far too forward with her. I much preferred Emily & Crabtree!
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Post by snacky on Apr 25, 2015 18:50:42 GMT
I'm not sure if I would like them to take things further with Emily and Lillian. I found the end scene very uncomfortable, I couldn't quite work out if it was supposed to point at romantic intentions or just the fact that it's a big step for a woman to not wear a corset. If it is romance then I think Lillian was far too forward with her. I much preferred Emily & Crabtree! I still don't get the Emily/George pairing. Emily was so mean to George! On the other hand, George gets to be "the man" around Edna.  While I like Emily/Lillian, that seems to be a very small pirate ship rather than a mainline cruise ship like Jilliam.  |
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Post by Hodge on Apr 25, 2015 23:01:26 GMT
I'm not sure if I would like them to take things further with Emily and Lillian. I found the end scene very uncomfortable, I couldn't quite work out if it was supposed to point at romantic intentions or just the fact that it's a big step for a woman to not wear a corset. If it is romance then I think Lillian was far too forward with her. I much preferred Emily & Crabtree! I still don't get the Emily/George pairing. Emily was so mean to George! On the other hand, George gets to be "the man" around Edna. While I like Emily/Lillian, that seems to be a very small pirate ship rather than a mainline cruise ship like Jilliam. It's not even a pirate ship IMO. It's nothing to do with it being a sapphist relationship though as snacky knows! |
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Post by snacky on Apr 26, 2015 4:06:29 GMT
I still don't get the Emily/George pairing. Emily was so mean to George! On the other hand, George gets to be "the man" around Edna. While I like Emily/Lillian, that seems to be a very small pirate ship rather than a mainline cruise ship like Jilliam. It's not even a pirate ship IMO. It's nothing to do with it being a sapphist relationship though as snacky knows! Hahaha, yeah it's a teeny tiny pirate canoe. That leaks! Yarr! And yes - I'm not imputing anything to prejudice against sapphist relationships. I'm well aware that people were put off by Lillian's grating nature. I just happened to be in a particular political place/time to see her character a bit differently - combined with my historical reading and willingness to appreciate "complicated characters", the latitude I gave Lillian was even wider than everyone else's usual wide latitude. |
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Post by Lucy on Apr 26, 2015 15:32:56 GMT
It seemed so forced and unnatural with Lillian. Emily seemed uncomfortable too. I've got the next episode to watch and then the new one is on tomorrow night  |
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Post by Hodge on Apr 26, 2015 17:22:42 GMT
It seemed so forced and unnatural with Lillian. Emily seemed uncomfortable too. I've got the next episode to watch and then the new one is on tomorrow night If you're talking about the corset removal scene it really didn't seem that comfortable but it could have been designed that way. It was a big step for Emily to go corsetless especially as she thought she'd feel exposed around the men she worked with. A corset was somewhat like a chastity belt even though it covered different areas it made a woman less accessible to men however at the same time it enhanced their figure making them more attractive ... supposedly. Quite ironic really.  |
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Post by snacky on Apr 26, 2015 19:57:48 GMT
It seemed so forced and unnatural with Lillian. Emily seemed uncomfortable too. I've got the next episode to watch and then the new one is on tomorrow night I agree this is the part of the problem everyone is having with Lillian: she has a very abrasive personality, and thus it's difficult to see her even in a relationship with Emily. (Who also has a somewhat abrasive personality, given the way she treated George). It's difficult to see the cuddles there. If you look in the Emily section, I wrote a long "justification of Lillian" there. But in terms of attraction, I think the thrill-seeker in Emily might be intrigued by the Lillian's defiant personality, and what she represents in terms of breaking all sorts of cultural taboos. She may even encourage Emily to act on a larger stage: sort of like the boyfriend/husband who encourages you to do greater things than you ever imagined yourself doing. However, it's going to be hard for the audience to imagine unless we see them being kinder to each other, though.  |
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Post by snacky on Apr 26, 2015 20:06:36 GMT
It seemed so forced and unnatural with Lillian. Emily seemed uncomfortable too. I've got the next episode to watch and then the new one is on tomorrow night If you're talking about the corset removal scene it really didn't seem that comfortable but it could have been designed that way. It was a big step for Emily to go corsetless especially as she thought she'd feel exposed around the men she worked with. A corset was somewhat like a chastity belt even though it covered different areas it made a woman less accessible to men however at the same time it enhanced their figure making them more attractive ... supposedly. Quite ironic really. Fallenbelle had the brilliant insight that Julia's corset comparable to William's tie: it's a Victorian bind on all her sexual energy just waiting to be removed, and, in William's view, would be one of her sexiest attributes. For Emily's generation, however, the corset was a prison - the bra that needed to be burned. Luckily for Lillian that was a very convenient cover for the Victorian symbolism. Also note Emily's hair was down and tied with a rather romantic bow in that scene, too.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Apr 26, 2015 22:56:17 GMT
It seemed so forced and unnatural with Lillian. Emily seemed uncomfortable too. I've got the next episode to watch and then the new one is on tomorrow night If you're talking about the corset removal scene it really didn't seem that comfortable but it could have been designed that way. It was a big step for Emily to go corsetless especially as she thought she'd feel exposed around the men she worked with. A corset was somewhat like a chastity belt even though it covered different areas it made a woman less accessible to men however at the same time it enhanced their figure making them more attractive ... supposedly. Quite ironic really. Very nicely put indeed! |
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Post by lizmc on Sept 20, 2015 16:29:58 GMT
Can you imagine wearing a corset while mountain climbing?
(Then again, I can't imagine wearing a corset at all....)
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