|
Post by mrsbrisby on Jan 28, 2015 19:30:09 GMT
One goes to sleep for eightish hours and like 12 pages of conversations crop up! Same thing when one has a relapse. By the way, does anyone know anything about Yannick? He wasn't looking well in the "making of" segment and he has been uncharacteristically quiet on twitter.
|
|
|
Post by Hodge on Jan 28, 2015 20:20:39 GMT
One goes to sleep for eightish hours and like 12 pages of conversations crop up! Same thing when one has a relapse. By the way, does anyone know anything about Yannick? He wasn't looking well in the "making of" segment and he has been uncharacteristically quiet on twitter. He's away.
|
|
|
Post by carco on Jan 28, 2015 23:14:20 GMT
Lillian did seem 'somewhat' interested in the dead girl's injuries and I think she almost felt guilty at her death, at least as long as she thought she'd caused it. Unfortunately once it was determined it wasn't the brick I don't think she gave it another thought. This woman is so shallow to the point she skims the surface. I really don't care what the reason behind it is and I too hope she's gone soon. I think PM was stunned at the reaction to LM, perhaps he thought because she was fighting for women's suffrage that we'd all flock to her but it seems our reaction isn't what he was expecting. PM doesn't understand women, explains a lot! The women's suffrage plot was a good idea, but PM didn't account for a lot of things that would frak it up. Some of them I think could have been caught with more input from women, and also by standing back and looking at how the whole arc plays out. But most of the problem has to do with some unpredictable cultural polarization that -at the risk of over-inflating the importance of US culture/events - I suspect has its source in recent events in the US. 1) Julia's absence from mystery plots would be taken as marginalization - exacerbated by her hiatus while she worked on other shows and bicycle accident. The suffrage plot shouldn't have been allowed to "reduce" Julia to William's offscreen wife. 2) The debate over banning the word "Feminism" in the US, and several related debates over misogyny in video games and comic books and nasa t-shirts and whatnot, brought to the fore negative feelings about stereotypically strident feminists just as MM, which, because of its limited time frame deals out stories in stereotypes, brought on the strident feminists. (Me being the proud "give no fraks" outspoken FEMINIST, I'm with Team MM on this one and would like the viewers to check where their judgments are coming from...) 3) The depiction of the women's suffrage movement protesting against the "immovable object" of men's government took place parallel to a massive protest movement and debate about the nature of protest in the U.S. This gave MM writers a model and/or some insight into the earlier suffrage movement - but by depicting the issues this way, the viewers brought the same hardened reactions to that debate (very similar to the reactions to "Feminism"). So while MM is showing a fair mirror of several sides of the debate, each type of viewer is just bringing their own perspective and judgment and going "WTH! That's wrong!" or "Right on!" (Frankly I think this is good writing, and it will survive the test of time. It's the viewers who are are too close to it here.) 4) The Lesbian plot crossed wires with the Feminism/Generational plot which created the impression of the dreaded "Man-hating Lesbian". I really, truly hope that was an accident. Politically, I see the MM team made some "edgy" moves this year that were in the spirit of "multicultural Canada", and I applaud that. All good and interesting points snacky. I just wonder if MM is simply giving us a "sense" of the atmosphere in Toronto in 1902 while the police are doing their day to day work and investigations. To deep dive into all the facets of the Suffragette and Temperance movements in Toronto would be a whole separate show. I imagine that the best they can/want to do with this topic, while keeping the main theme of a Mystery show, is to show in broad strokes how it's affecting the women of Murdoch Mysteries because what affects them will affect the men of Murdoch Mysteries. It's not unlike their handling of the dock workers and organized crime in Toronto, etc. at the beginning of the season. It served to let us know that the Police were dealing with crime they weren't even aware existed before. Now it's the women that are in their face like they haven't been before. I think that all they (MM) can do is skim the surface on these topics. I'm sure PM is aware (through his writers if nothing else...plus HJ seems to know the topic pretty well and apparently pushed for suffragette storylines). Maybe what surprises him, assuming he IS surprised by audience reaction, is just how much attention is being paid to a backdrop topic rather than the main characters and the mystery storyline.
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 23:33:03 GMT
I agree with Carco that the writers try to give us a sense of historical background with a parsimony of lines/scenes. I think this problem is an easy diagnosis though: the mysteries have not been strong (sorry writers, its just true) and the suffragette storyline separated the women from the men. Shipper eyes followed the women and each episode felt strangely disconnected into "subplots" while we waited for our OTPs to reunite and make the show feel whole again. Part of the anger about Lillian might be that she is a pull away from SH4 and in to soap opera.
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 23:39:22 GMT
And Poutine! I was in Dallas last month and my cousin took me to a hot new hipster restaurant Is it Smokes? We just got that one, and I ran to go try it lol. It is a hipster chain of doubtful authenticity, though..
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Jan 29, 2015 0:09:38 GMT
One goes to sleep for eightish hours and like 12 pages of conversations crop up about Yannick? He wasn't looking well in the "making of" segment and he has been quiet on twitter. MM WRITERS TAKE NOTE : when the mystery involves both William and Julia, the forum coms to life! Wherever Yannick is vacationing, I hope he is restingcand recovering well. Carrying MM is a heavy burden!
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Jan 29, 2015 2:03:32 GMT
Funny thing about poutine - after Yannick made several remarks about poutine last year ( giving me the impression poutine was a fad food of Canada sort of like the cronut in the US) - I did a little research. It seems there was a TV show thatvcompiled Canada's top inventions and gifts to the world. Poutine made that list, a rather silly entry among more traditional great inventions. That might have kicked off the recent fad and identification as a great Canadian thing. I can't look for a link now but I believe I found it via a list of Canadian inventions on Wikipedia? Yep poutine is in the Wikipedia list of Canadian inventions, but I don't see a reference to the TV show I'm thinking of: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_inventions
|
|
|
Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 29, 2015 2:15:18 GMT
And Poutine! I was in Dallas last month and my cousin took me to a hot new hipster restaurant Is it Smokes? We just got that one, and I ran to go try it lol. It is a hipster chain of doubtful authenticity, though.. Nope. The Blind Butcher. theblindbutcher.com/menu/food-menu/Come on-you know hipsters don't do chains! To bring this back on topic, can you see modern day William as a hipster? Should I write fic about this?
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Jan 29, 2015 2:57:17 GMT
hmm, William as a hipster? I think I'd rather see him come back to the future via The Murdoch Effect and bring down a few hipsters!
LET THEM EAT CRUMPETS!
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Jan 29, 2015 6:56:39 GMT
Is it Smokes? We just got that one, and I ran to go try it lol. It is a hipster chain of doubtful authenticity, though.. Nope. The Blind Butcher. theblindbutcher.com/menu/food-menu/Come on-you know hipsters don't do chains! To bring this back on topic, can you see modern day William as a hipster? Should I write fic about this? I just read that menu. Duck fat fries? Are you sure that's hipster? As pretentious as they can be, seems above their pay grade. Here is Smoke's Poutinerie: smokespoutinerie.com/Menu.aspxEven though it's a chain, I would count it as hipster, because the grad students in faux grunge might eat there to have cheap "international" food after seeing a pretentious foreign film. The chicken peppercorn poutine was yummy, but I'd recommend having alka seltzer with that... EDIT: Just compared prices, and our chain prices are your Texas gourmet prices.
|
|
|
Post by shangas on Jan 29, 2015 8:57:28 GMT
Watched this episode. Not bad. It twisted and turned a LOT, though!! Had some rather impressive moments. I liked it. Perhaps a 3.5-4-out-of-5.
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Jan 29, 2015 10:16:43 GMT
Watched this episode. Not bad. It twisted and turned a LOT, though!! Had some rather impressive moments. I liked it. Perhaps a 3.5-4-out-of-5. Greatest disappointment - I really wanted someone to explain how the whole ratchets thing worked. I wasn't sure that I bought that they weren't that heavy, that a woman wouldn't notice these while wearing the corset, and the corset would still be flexible and not pinch without "things sticking out" if those ratchet things were inside. If they were thin enough to be light, it seems like they might be brittle enough to break. The seamstress's skills as an engineer never were explained. Someone observed somewhere amidst the conversation that the ending would have been stronger if it looked like Heloise and the male corset-entrepreneurs were mutually plotting to take each other down at the same time they were having their wicked way with each other. Sans that thought, I'm grumpy that Heloise needed to be "rescued by love".
|
|
|
Post by shangas on Jan 29, 2015 20:57:44 GMT
I imagined that the ratchets were assembled kind of like mail. Little rings riveted together. Light, but very strong. Certainly not something you could just tear off in an instant.
|
|
|
Post by carco on Jan 29, 2015 21:51:44 GMT
I like this tweet reply from The Hook.
|
|
|
Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 29, 2015 22:37:15 GMT
I like this tweet reply from The Hook. I like that too. I'm not opposed to the relationship-just the person she's exploring it with.
|
|