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Post by Hodge on Jan 14, 2015 5:44:07 GMT
After weeks of fraught American politics, it gives me the giggles to think of fandom uprising with pitchforks and fiery torches over getting Julia and Emily more crime time. XD Oh my, the visuals of this had me in stitches!  |
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Post by snacky on Jan 14, 2015 5:50:23 GMT
Many of the suffragettes were married, and there were various strains including nasty racists. But I've been reading some theory of the era lately, and women had to confront the issue they gave up many rights if they married. The ideal New Woman was single.
Also keep in mind MM doesn't have much screen time to establish Lillian's character. The more time they give her, the less they can give to other characters. They need to draw her character quickly and with broad strokes.
Lillian struck me as mean at first, too. At first I thought it was she regarded Julia as The Competition. But the way she referred to William as being beneath Julia - containing her, as it were - enabled me to see more of the bitter hippie/sell out parallel. Pergaps that's a function of where I live. But hippies who sacrificed for their ideals can be extremely bitter about those that sold out for a life of wealth and comfort.
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Post by snacky on Jan 14, 2015 6:22:07 GMT
Btw, in the History/Forensics section I put links on Charlotte Perkns Gilman. Her book Woman and Economics was the "coffee chat" book for every woman at Vassar during this era ( and Lillian looks like she could have gone to Vassar). The central thesis was that marriage had deformed women's natural Darwinian evolution.
But Fallenbelle might like that Gilman preferred the term Humanist to Feminist.
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Post by murdochic on Jan 14, 2015 12:34:37 GMT
Iris got struck down by lightning for sniffing around Julia's husband. Be warned, ladies
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 14, 2015 13:31:30 GMT
Iris got struck down by lightning for sniffing around Julia's husband. Be warned, ladies LOL!!!! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 14, 2015 15:26:32 GMT
I think last night was the tipping point for a lot of folk. Julia at least had some good lines(what few there were). Emily is hardly recognized as a professional anymore. She's now the pretty young thing who flits in, declares someone dead, and flits off again. Plus, throw in a few token lines about suffragism. Voila! Which is a shame, and I think the team is stunned by reaction to the ep. It was a good episode on its own, but combined with the season as a whole, it was definitely a nail in the coffin for strong female characters. As a rule people are falling over themselves saying how much they enjoyed the ep, this time whilst people did for the most part enjoy it the lack of the women became glaringly obvious especially Julia when she was absent for dinner. That I think was the tipping point. People are now thinking about the women's roles in the 'new' MM and not liking what they're seeing. Hence the tweet about 'Julia's ep'. I hope we don't have to wait another 3 weeks before we see more of the ladies though. I also saw that PM tweeted "grateful for passionate fans". He won't be if things don't turn around! I also saw that CBC Murdoch tweeted "please wait for the balance of the season before judging, more to come that you will love..." I'm holding you to that, MM. 
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Post by murdochic on Jan 14, 2015 16:12:14 GMT
I wasn't a big fan of the latest episode, the lack of Julia and even Emily made it feel sluggish. W/J not having a scene together was weird.
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Post by Hodge on Jan 14, 2015 16:38:07 GMT
As a rule people are falling over themselves saying how much they enjoyed the ep, this time whilst people did for the most part enjoy it the lack of the women became glaringly obvious especially Julia when she was absent for dinner. That I think was the tipping point. People are now thinking about the women's roles in the 'new' MM and not liking what they're seeing. Hence the tweet about 'Julia's ep'. I hope we don't have to wait another 3 weeks before we see more of the ladies though. I also saw that PM tweeted "grateful for passionate fans". He won't be if things don't turn around! I also saw that CBC Murdoch tweeted "please wait for the balance of the season before judging, more to come that you will love..." I'm holding you to that, MM.
Please tweet that! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 14, 2015 17:08:07 GMT
I also saw that CBC Murdoch tweeted "please wait for the balance of the season before judging, more to come that you will love..." I'm holding you to that, MM.
Please tweet that! Stupid question...but how? I know how to retweet, but where I do add my text? |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Jan 14, 2015 18:38:14 GMT
Stupid question...but how? I know how to retweet, but where I do add my text?  Just click the icon I circled and type your response! (just you know on the tweet you wish to reply to) |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 14, 2015 23:05:41 GMT
The most surprising thing I found is that Peter Mitchell has five eps on my 'go to' list. The second, which isn't obvious from the list is that it was in S7 that the new writers came in and S7 was the shippiest and most Julia heavy season although S6 was pretty good for shippers too. What this does prove to me is that despite the fact that I'm not sure about PM as a showrunner I don't mind his eps as much as I thought but Carol Hay and Paul Aitken are, as I suspected, my favourite writers. They are the most prolific however that doesn't necessarily automatically make them the best. That is a very interesting list. Now it begs the question "who is responsible for the dramatic changes to the qualities of the show that so attracted us in the first place?" Your list seems to let Peter Mitchell off the hook somewhat. Carol Hay is probably my favourite writer. Now I'm going to have to go and 'rate the writers' . Having thought about this I'm not sure it does let PM off the hook. It was he that brought in the new character and needed something to do with her, so he put her in the morgue. That bumped Julia out of the morgue and into what? Her own practice. She was no longer no longer a main character or necessary to the show. Julia, once an important original character was now demoted to someone that could be ignored and Emily was now the important character to the investigation. Making Julia a psychiatrist was a reasonable move to bring her back however she still wasn't necessary to the investigations. As Emily wasn't as important a character as Julia had once been that still left the ladies as secondary characters. Yes we did get quite a bit of Julia in S7&8 but she wasn't important to most of the storylines and that's what began the decline, IMNSHO! I'm now going to go back to my writers list to figure out who wrote the eps I dislike the most. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 15, 2015 1:37:32 GMT
That is a very interesting list. Now it begs the question "who is responsible for the dramatic changes to the qualities of the show that so attracted us in the first place?" Your list seems to let Peter Mitchell off the hook somewhat. Carol Hay is probably my favourite writer. Now I'm going to have to go and 'rate the writers' . Having thought about this I'm not sure it does let PM off the hook. It was he that brought in the new character and needed something to do with her, so he put her in the morgue. That bumped Julia out of the morgue and into what? Her own practice. She was no longer no longer a main character or necessary to the show. Julia, once an important original character was now demoted to someone that could be ignored and Emily was now the important character to the investigation. Making Julia a psychiatrist was a reasonable move to bring her back however she still wasn't necessary to the investigations. As Emily wasn't as important a character as Julia had once been that still left the ladies as secondary characters. Yes we did get quite a bit of Julia in S7&8 but she wasn't important to most of the storylines and that's what began the decline, IMNSHO! I'm now going to go back to my writers list to figure out who wrote the eps I dislike the most. But at least the attempt was made to include her! This season, she's an afterthought! As is Emily. It's like scripts are written, and then the show says "oh, yeah, we need to tack on some Julia and Emily" and adds on a scene or two. I just don't know how big of a Twitter bitch I want to be, but I've thought of a few. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 15, 2015 2:06:48 GMT
Having thought about this I'm not sure it does let PM off the hook. It was he that brought in the new character and needed something to do with her, so he put her in the morgue. That bumped Julia out of the morgue and into what? Her own practice. She was no longer no longer a main character or necessary to the show. Julia, once an important original character was now demoted to someone that could be ignored and Emily was now the important character to the investigation. Making Julia a psychiatrist was a reasonable move to bring her back however she still wasn't necessary to the investigations. As Emily wasn't as important a character as Julia had once been that still left the ladies as secondary characters. Yes we did get quite a bit of Julia in S7&8 but she wasn't important to most of the storylines and that's what began the decline, IMNSHO! I'm now going to go back to my writers list to figure out who wrote the eps I dislike the most. But at least the attempt was made to include her! This season, she's an afterthought! As is Emily. It's like scripts are written, and then the show says "oh, yeah, we need to tack on some Julia and Emily" and adds on a scene or two. I just don't know how big of a Twitter bitch I want to be, but I've thought of a few. That's a good way to describe what it seems like. I don't tweet much myself but sometimes things come up on Twitter before anywhere else so I stay on there. If you can think of a few things to make people think by all means post them! |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2015 6:08:40 GMT
But at least the attempt was made to include her! This season, she's an afterthought! As is Emily. It's like scripts are written, and then the show says "oh, yeah, we need to tack on some Julia and Emily" and adds on a scene or two. I just don't know how big of a Twitter bitch I want to be, but I've thought of a few. That's a good way to describe what it seems like. I don't tweet much myself but sometimes things come up on Twitter before anywhere else so I stay on there. If you can think of a few things to make people think by all means post them! I'm still amazed that we have no backstory for Emily after all this time. The only other "regular" character like that is Henry Higgins....what's that say about Emily as a character? (Not counting Margaret as she isn't in a lot of episodes.) Yet publicity shots etc. have always presented her as one of the main characters. I can't believe it's all because Gemily didn't catch on as the new Jilliam. No one can predict or force on screen chemistry .... there has to be some other reason that the character seems to have de-railed somewhere along the line Well, Fallenbelle did it so I did too...signed up for twitter yesterday. At least I have some time before Monday to figure out how to send a tweet. Things I do for MM! Seems to be the only way they seem to want to hear from us so I'll comply. I'm GoldensRule3 ( for our 10 yr old boy we had to put down on Friday) but don't expect anything to "clever" at first! |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 15, 2015 6:39:40 GMT
That's a good way to describe what it seems like. I don't tweet much myself but sometimes things come up on Twitter before anywhere else so I stay on there. If you can think of a few things to make people think by all means post them! I'm still amazed that we have no backstory for Emily after all this time. The only other "regular" character like that is Henry Higgins....what's that say about Emily as a character? (Not counting Margaret as she isn't in a lot of episodes.) Yet publicity shots etc. have always presented her as one of the main characters. I can't believe it's all because Gemily didn't catch on as the new Jilliam. No one can predict or force on screen chemistry .... there has to be some other reason that the character seems to have de-railed somewhere along the line Well, Fallenbelle did it so I did too...signed up for twitter yesterday. At least I have some time before Monday to figure out how to send a tweet. Things I do for MM! Seems to be the only way they seem to want to hear from us so I'll comply. I'm GoldensRule3 ( for our 10 yr old boy we had to put down on Friday) but don't expect anything to "clever" at first! Emily was PM's trademark - bring in a new character. Trouble is it wasn't thought through enough and now they don't know what to do with her. Too bad as she could be an interesting character however one that was never needed. Now one original character, Julia, pathologist and love interest, has basically been split in two creating a problem for the writers in that there's not enough time in an episode for both of them. Perhaps time for Julia to return to the morgue and Emily to move on. |
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