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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 6:55:09 GMT
Iris got struck down by lightning for sniffing around Julia's husband. Be warned, ladies Iris denied god, ergo Julia is god.
god strikes down snacky for blasphemy
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 6:56:16 GMT
Iris got struck down by lightning for sniffing around Julia's husband. Be warned, ladies LOL!!!! William's unwavering faith in Julia god saved him! Actually, if you read Jung's autobiography, there's this freaky part where synchronicities start to cross into the real world. It's the point where Freud parts ways with Jung (and I thing I did too). If I remember correctly there are various spectacular special effects, and the table where Freud and Jung are sitting cracks! In his authobiography (Memories, Dreams, and Reflections), Jung records this as some sort of final triumph where he proved a point to Freud. To the outside reader, though, it looks like the point where Jung kind of lost it. Anyyyyyyway...I forgot what psychological mechanisms were involved, but perhaps the lightning WAS Julia!  |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 7:04:50 GMT
I also saw that CBC Murdoch tweeted "please wait for the balance of the season before judging, more to come that you will love..." I'm holding you to that, MM. 
It seems like they front loaded the season with a lot of "filler" eps. This was a very dangerous strategy to take, since, without strong narrative hold, they risked losing a lot of viewers. Wasn't MM going up against Gotham in Canada? It seems like that's the time to work to draw viewers in instead of get lazy and just throw random episodes around. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 7:06:32 GMT
I also saw that CBC Murdoch tweeted "please wait for the balance of the season before judging, more to come that you will love..."
I don't know, my standards are pretty high...  |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 7:08:21 GMT
I wasn't a big fan of the latest episode, the lack of Julia and even Emily made it feel sluggish. W/J not having a scene together was weird. I felt this could have been diffused with William himself experiencing this as weird - and he should have been doing that for several episodes now. That would have given the writers an out. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 7:18:30 GMT
Having thought about this I'm not sure it does let PM off the hook. It was he that brought in the new character and needed something to do with her, so he put her in the morgue. That bumped Julia out of the morgue and into what? Her own practice. She was no longer no longer a main character or necessary to the show. Julia, once an important original character was now demoted to someone that could be ignored and Emily was now the important character to the investigation. Making Julia a psychiatrist was a reasonable move to bring her back however she still wasn't necessary to the investigations. As Emily wasn't as important a character as Julia had once been that still left the ladies as secondary characters. Yes we did get quite a bit of Julia in S7&8 but she wasn't important to most of the storylines and that's what began the decline, IMNSHO! I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Helene Joy herself wanted out of the morgue. It made her queasy or something, and she was interested in the psychiatry angle. Emily was a straight up substitute for Julia's role in providing medical-scientific info to solve the mysteries. I think there was a vague plan to make Julia a "profiler", but the writers discovered this type of character is actually boring unless tormented and possibly evil. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 7:21:14 GMT
But at least the attempt was made to include her! This season, she's an afterthought! As is Emily. It's like scripts are written, and then the show says "oh, yeah, we need to tack on some Julia and Emily" and adds on a scene or two. It is interesting/unnerving that Emily is being just as marginalized as Julia. But it's possible the Powers That Be are telling the truth, and now that the random eps are out of the way, both Julia and Emily will have juicy parts in a "narrative-driven" latter half of the season. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 7:26:28 GMT
That's a good way to describe what it seems like. I don't tweet much myself but sometimes things come up on Twitter before anywhere else so I stay on there. If you can think of a few things to make people think by all means post them! How do you avoid addiction? That's the scariest part of Twitter for me: the temptation to sit there and just keep retweeting like you're responding to some Pavlovian stimulus... |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 7:30:20 GMT
I'm still amazed that we have no backstory for Emily after all this time. The only other "regular" character like that is Henry Higgins....what's that say about Emily as a character? (Not counting Margaret as she isn't in a lot of episodes.) Yet publicity shots etc. have always presented her as one of the main characters. I can't believe it's all because Gemily didn't catch on as the new Jilliam. No one can predict or force on screen chemistry .... there has to be some other reason that the character seems to have de-railed somewhere along the line Well, Fallenbelle did it so I did too...signed up for twitter yesterday. At least I have some time before Monday to figure out how to send a tweet. Things I do for MM! Seems to be the only way they seem to want to hear from us so I'll comply. I'm GoldensRule3 ( for our 10 yr old boy we had to put down on Friday) but don't expect anything to "clever" at first! I suspect we're going to get some. We got the thing about Emily's father saying "doozy one". We probably don't have much background on Emily because the writers still haven't agreed on it! As someone who has dealt with a lot of social media, I should advise you to be very careful with Twitter. It's addictive, and I think it actively eats your braincells with each retweet. Try to limit your time on it. |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2015 7:39:46 GMT
Some random thoughts about this episode - Henry delivered a few of Higgins special dry one liners" to George: "It's just a cup...." and "...were they short on goblets in those days?" aaahhh, Higgins & George - ok, so how did George know about Wm being afraid of butterflies?  I thought only Julia aware of that. I don't recall...was George in the room with Julia's patients when Wm made that statement? Did Julia tell Emily and she told George? And I love how Wm's y voice was barely a squeak when he tried to get George to shut up about it. - Brackenreid's boys...I agree with earlier thoughts that John is the same boy but now older, Bobby appears to be different but hey, those kids only show up once or twice a year on the show. I don't imagine the child actors are still at it or available, etc. over that period of time. Not surprising they would change a lot. -speaking of kids on the show...for those in Canada...the latest Canadian Tire commercial has "Simon" in it (the iced pick up truck) he's all decked out in touque and hockey gear but I'd know that grin anywhere and the Cdn tire guy of course was one of the brothers that was a play on the Ford bros last season - loved the visual and other special effects in this episode..the temple, the traps, spikes, blades, fire and the ball of course  - I liked the Iris character previously and in this episode but did not like her overt flirting or whatever it was that was supposed to be happening. I mean Wm had trouble getting out the words when he was telling her he was married.....what's with that? Has she been working at the museum all these years and this is the first time he's spoken to her in all that time and she's jumping right back into googly eyes mode? Doesn't she read newspapers? - and yes. That phone call in the suite at dinner time. What was that? I thought he was talking to the desk clerk for crying out loud! I wasn't expecting him to end it with a "love ya, babe!" or anything but really, that phone call had a wind chill of minus 20 c !! - so which employee or other guest at the hotel is going to be the first one to let the cat out of the bag to Julia that an exotic lady had dinner with William in their suite. Or does William fess up before he's busted? Oh, Television God...please let me be there for that scene (either scene actually) and more importantly---the aftermath  - so when Murdoch ran after Steven onto the edge of the cliff...there was a heart stopping second when I thought Steven was going to run up to William and plant a big kiss on him before he took the dive. Then it cut to William calling out "Noooooooooo". Really creepy deja vu all over again. - Lillian, yeck. Did notice that when the 3 of them were having tea and she made some sarcastic comment to Julia, Julia said nothing and turned to Emily. But then she did turn back to Lillian and gave her a "look" and then they all turned to leave. Julia had a whole lot to say to that woman with that look...she can speak with her eyes. Remember the "look" moms used to give you when you were acting up in public? Could stop you dead in your tracks without a word being spoken. - the whole discussion about such a lack of Julia and Emily...spot on. There's no real storyline to let us understand why its happening so it just seems they want to make it a boys club. Yawn. |
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Post by monty151 on Jan 15, 2015 7:40:01 GMT
Haven't fully watched this episode (want to wait until shown on Alibi) but get the feeling I will like and dislike in equal measure. Like the mystery part and dislike lack of Julia. If they got rid of Emily I wouldn't be too bothered but Julia would not go back into the morgue. Maybe she could become the expert witness, going to the court cases giving evidence on behalf of the Crown. This would require her to visit the morgue to speak to the coroner and review the file and speak to the investigating officer.
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 7:40:17 GMT
Emily was PM's trademark - bring in a new character. Trouble is it wasn't thought through enough and now they don't know what to do with her. Too bad as she could be an interesting character however one that was never needed. Now one original character, Julia, pathologist and love interest, has basically been split in two creating a problem for the writers in that there's not enough time in an episode for both of them. Perhaps time for Julia to return to the morgue and Emily to move on. Emily's original character was very interesting. She was extremely efficient and precise: she had that interest in the gross things of science that reminded me of the X-Files or Wednesday Addams from the Addams Family. I thought Staircase to Heaven was a great direction to go for her character: she's a "new woman" who is exploring the boundaries of science, and she's focused on her achievements rather than chasing men. IMHO the mistake occurred in Season 6 when they tried to make Emily more "compatible" to George by giving her middle class origins. Her character has been a mess ever since. Now the writers have to come up with a backstory that unites all their past spins on Emily - and I hope they know sharp fandom eyes will be watching if they miss/contradict any details. I liked the original conception of Emily - I hope the character is moving back toward that. I felt William was unnecessarily harsh on her, though. Probably just because she wasn't Julia. |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2015 7:45:43 GMT
I'm still amazed that we have no backstory for Emily after all this time. The only other "regular" character like that is Henry Higgins....what's that say about Emily as a character? (Not counting Margaret as she isn't in a lot of episodes.) Yet publicity shots etc. have always presented her as one of the main characters. I can't believe it's all because Gemily didn't catch on as the new Jilliam. No one can predict or force on screen chemistry .... there has to be some other reason that the character seems to have de-railed somewhere along the line Well, Fallenbelle did it so I did too...signed up for twitter yesterday. At least I have some time before Monday to figure out how to send a tweet. Things I do for MM! Seems to be the only way they seem to want to hear from us so I'll comply. I'm GoldensRule3 ( for our 10 yr old boy we had to put down on Friday) but don't expect anything to "clever" at first! Emily was PM's trademark - bring in a new character. Trouble is it wasn't thought through enough and now they don't know what to do with her. Too bad as she could be an interesting character however one that was never needed. Now one original character, Julia, pathologist and love interest, has basically been split in two creating a problem for the writers in that there's not enough time in an episode for both of them. Perhaps time for Julia to return to the morgue and Emily to move on. Which is a shame too because as Helene and others have said, the morgue set is one of their finest sets. So not only do they have 2 floating characters but a detailed, quality set that is barely used anymore. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 8:00:52 GMT
- ok, so how did George know about Wm being afraid of butterflies? I thought only Julia aware of that. I don't recall...And I love how Wm's y voice was barely a squeak when he tried to get George to shut up about it. - loved the visual and other special effects in this episode..the temple, the traps, spikes, blades, fire and the ball of course - I liked the Iris character previously and in this episode but did not like her overt flirting or whatever it was that was supposed to be happening. I mean Wm had trouble getting out the words when he was telling her he was married.....what's with that? Has she been working at the museum all these years and this is the first time he's spoken to her in all that time and she's jumping right back into googly eyes mode? Doesn't she read newspapers? - and yes. That phone call in the suite at dinner time. What was that? I thought he was talking to the desk clerk for crying out loud! I wasn't expecting him to end it with a "love ya, babe!" or anything but really, that phone call had a wind chill of minus 20 c !! - so which employee or other guest at the hotel is going to be the first one to let the cat out of the bag to Julia that an exotic lady had dinner with William in their suite. Or does William fess up before he's busted? Oh, Television God...please let me be there for that scene (either scene actually) and more importantly---the aftermath - so when Murdoch ran after Steven onto the edge of the cliff...there was a heart stopping second when I thought Steven was going to run up to William and plant a big kiss on him before he took the dive. Then it cut to William calling out "Noooooooooo". Really creepy deja vu all over again. -Remember the "look" moms used to give you when you were acting up in public? Could stop you dead in your tracks without a word being spoken. Butterflies - I like to imagine that George assisted William in a situation where William was intimidated by some butterflies, lol. George has been William's wingman for a loooooooooong time.  Of it's a psychic lucky guess. Maybe George inherited sharp women's intuition from his Aunts? Dinner flirting - I actually liked it. William was attracted to Iris before, and he can't just turn it off now. That's why he's so uncomfortable being alone with her: he wants a chaperone to appease his own conscience about it. I think the phone call was chilly because William expected Julia to "rescue" him from this situation, and he understood the ramifications were he would have to explain dining alone with a beautiful woman later. He was pretty gracious to both Julia and Dr. Bajjali under the circumstances! My theory is William mentioned Dr. Bajjali when Julia got home that night, but probably everything after that led to some misunderstanding because Julia then felt insecure. At the same time William was probably extra-horny and extra-guilty - not sure how that would play out, especially if an earlier fight put him on the couch. Maybe it means high-octane make up sex, lol. By the way - were they eating dinner in their suite, or were they eating dinner in the parlor of the hotel? The 2 tables seemed generous furniture-wise for the suite. I guess the phone call proves in their suite. Cliff - lol about the kiss vision! I didn't get that notion, but I'll be checking for it when I watch again. I don't think William would ever have any defense against that achilles heel. Regarding the "look" - I believe lovemondays claims to have it! That was a great scene in the show where Julia showed those young ladies that she had it going on. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 15, 2015 8:03:49 GMT
Which is a shame too because as Helene and others have said, the morgue set is one of their finest sets. So not only do they have 2 floating characters but a detailed, quality set that is barely used anymore. I think this also might suggest some education lacking in the younger writers? So you don't see as much strong science, as well as historical scaffolding...(fake Holy Blood, Holy Grail history doesn't count!) |
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I thought only Julia aware of that. I don't recall...was George in the room with Julia's patients when Wm made that statement? Did Julia tell Emily and she told George? And I love how Wm's y voice was barely a squeak when he tried to get George to shut up about it. 
Jan 30, 2013 21:44:55 GMT