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Post by ziggy on Jan 13, 2015 6:00:27 GMT
An interesting episode. I enjoyed it. Lots of things in this one to chew on. A bit spooky in places but I like this kind of spook! Great to see Dr. Bajjali again although the end was unexpected and shocking. I like the woman. Rather out of character for her and the exchange between her and William in the end was like a battle of religions. Hmmmn. Did William just cast a spell on what family he has left to him??? OMG!  . Poor Brackenreid kids. Go to spend some time with Pa and end up fishing up something for Uncle William. George again with all the research and clues. He does read and write a lot for someone who barely made it to grade 4. I thought William was supposed to be The Intelligencia! I always thought George was smart but they keep trying to have us believe he is a goon which he is not. It is obvious that the writers are clearly keeping Julia from Police Investigations. This is not looking good. She didn’t have much to do here either  . Well, I guess they were just trying to make an ode to the final Indiana Jones movie. The blonde haired lady couldn't let the cup go and then she died. If William's faith has been wavering recently I suppose it's reinstated full force now. That was literally the hand of God, not a 'fake' version as was seen in the temple.  I could be wrong but I think they keep changing the kid actors. Last season the eldest boy had straight blond hair. This season he had curly brown hair. And they've changed them before that too! What gives?  I'm really glad he's writing another book. His ideas are always entertaining. Perhaps this will lead to another webseries even? William Murdoch and the Temple of Death. It seems like her having issues with a corset is the most we'll be seeing of her for the rest of the season.  I like Dr. Bajjali and part of me hopes it was just a serious jolt and they can revive her later even if we never see her again. I hate to see these characters get killed in the show. My thoughts exactly about William when that lightening struck. I didn’t really think they needed to go that far but then ….. I think the Brax older boy was the same one last season but the younger one was changed yet again. A different one did RBPB but I think it was this same one that did S1 – The Glass Ceiling. I am surprised that he is still so little. The older one seems to be about the age that he should be. Perhaps the MM kids are away in school or their parents have moved away and it’s not always easy to get them back for single episodes. I’m up for a new webiseries. Not sure if we’ll get one though. I hope we get more than just the corset one. That’s probably the one we saw her in bed with William in the bloopers? There needs to be more to her character than William’s love interest. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 6:07:04 GMT
As far as Julia goes PM said at the 100th ep panel that they would be keeping W&J apart later in the season. I hope that doesn't mean for the entire rest of the season. I'm beginning to think they're taking the title a little too seriously now. Whilst William is still my favourite character I do like seeing the two of them together and definitely want more Julia back. What's happening to my fave programme? It may not be that much longer if things don't get back on track. Later this evening I watched This One Goes to Eleven on City and was surprised at the difference in style between that and the newest eps. I think I liked the older ones better. The newer eps are much more slick and I have to admit I kind of liked the rawness of the older eps, they were much edgier. The newer ones are slicker only in production values. The older ones pwn in script integrity - that's what made them great: the writing. Did MM actually lose some of their better writers along the way? When PM said they were keeping William and Julia apart, I thought there would be a plot point explaining that distance which would then create angst and shippiness. Just a couple lines would do it: "William - why is your work taking you away from me? I miss you..." Or Julia could be physicially put on a boat and William could wave goodbye at the dock. Then the viewer would be filling in the blank space where Julia should be with romantic yearning instead of questions about character marginalization. But Julia is just...absent. MM writers, you're doing it wrong. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 6:09:41 GMT
I agree with you to a point, but I don't think any of the actors are exclusive to the show-they all have other projects. The writers seem to have dropped the ball this season in that they seem to think women=fan service. I think in terms of women, High Voltage was the best this season, and shocker-it was written by a woman (Carol Hay). Carol Hay is also the one with the strong interest in social history, so I think anything she writes is going to be interesting! |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 6:11:34 GMT
Wasn't this the same week that Helene was in Heartland? Probably means they would have filmed around the same time as Murdoch. Could be why she wasn't in this one much. Doesn't explain the rest of the season though. I thought we explained away What Lies Buried as being during Heartland... Dang that Heartland! Someone should kill her character there, lol. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 6:16:52 GMT
Perhaps they need another female writer on the team and as a sounding board for ALL scripts. Hear hear to that, I hope Michelle Ricci & Carol Hay are fighting for Julia & Emily's roles in the show like us!!! I seem to remember PM saying that all the writers go off and write in their secret man caves somewhere. I guess that's a good way to avoid the "written by committee" effect, but I think they should still consider, of their own free will, remedying their possible male-oriented tunnel vision where they just cannot see a "use" for a woman... |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 6:20:07 GMT
As far as Julia goes PM said at the 100th ep panel that they would be keeping W&J apart later in the season. I hope that doesn't mean for the entire rest of the season. I'm beginning to think they're taking the title a little too seriously now. Whilst William is still my favourite character I do like seeing the two of them together and definitely want more Julia back. What's happening to my fave programme? It may not be that much longer if things don't get back on track. Later this evening I watched This One Goes to Eleven on City and was surprised at the difference in style between that and the newest eps. I think I liked the older ones better. The newer eps are much more slick and I have to admit I kind of liked the rawness of the older eps, they were much edgier. The newer ones are slicker only in production values. The older ones pwn in script integrity - that's what made them great: the writing. Did MM actually lose some of their better writers along the way? When PM said they were keeping William and Julia apart, I thought there would be a plot point explaining that distance which would then create angst and shippiness. Just a couple lines would do it: "William - why is your work taking you away from me? I miss you..." Or Julia could be physicially put on a boat and William could wave goodbye at the dock. Then the viewer would be filling in the blank space where Julia should be with romantic yearning instead of questions about character marginalization. But Julia is just...absent. MM writers, you're doing it wrong. I agree but it's the production value I was referring to. I liked the older eps much better in every way including story lines. I came to MM last season and really liked it but I loved it once I saw the older eps. I think they did lose their writers when PM came in and brought some of his own. I'm beginning to think PM will be the end of MM I'm just not liking the way it's going with him as showrunner.  I thought it would be a storyline that continued for several eps but it just seems to be about not having Julia in it and that I just cannot go for. It's stupid, she's one of the main characters, whether PM likes it or not, and she needs to get back into the show as an important character as she was when she worked at the morgue. She should be helping William with his cases. I fear the end is near if things don't improve....  |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 6:21:23 GMT
Hear hear to that, I hope Michelle Ricci & Carol Hay are fighting for Julia & Emily's roles in the show like us!!! I seem to remember PM saying that all the writers go off and write in their secret man caves somewhere. I guess that's a good way to avoid the "written by committee" effect, but I think they should still consider, of their own free will, remedying their possible male-oriented tunnel vision where they just cannot see a "use" for a woman... The easy way around this is to bring some of the old writers back. They were the ones that made the show great! |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 6:27:10 GMT
I agree but it's the production value I was referring to. I liked the older eps much better in every way including story lines. I came to MM last season and really liked it but I loved it once I saw the older eps. I think they did lose their writers when PM came in and brought some of his own. I'm beginning to think PM will be the end of MM I'm just not liking the way it's going with him as showrunner. I thought it would be a storyline that continued for several eps but it just seems to be about not having Julia in it and that I just cannot go for. It's stupid, she's one of the main characters, whether PM likes it or not, and she needs to get back into the show as an important character as she was when she worked at the morgue. She should be helping William with his cases. I fear the end is near if things don't improve.... Well I doubt we're the only ones saying this. Julia is integral to the show. The Fans Have Spoken. But is Christine Jennings, the ultimate decision-maker here, listening? |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 6:33:14 GMT
I seem to remember PM saying that all the writers go off and write in their secret man caves somewhere. I guess that's a good way to avoid the "written by committee" effect, but I think they should still consider, of their own free will, remedying their possible male-oriented tunnel vision where they just cannot see a "use" for a woman... The easy way around this is to bring some of the old writers back. They were the ones that made the show great! Perhaps they were loaners from other projects! But I am disturbed over the idea that the writers were short on ideas. The Edwardian period is majorly under-served. The writers are short on reading. This season has barely covered any history of the year 1902. Just missing the opportunity of the Manhattan train wreck with the steam/electricity issues, the press sensationalism issues, and the engineer's trial that required scientific witness - what a travesty!!! They are running out of ideas because they are a group of inbred writers sitting around, twiddling their thumbs, complaining about how they don't want to write another trite "shippy" scene. Well, then, don't. Read a history book and check out just how much fantastic material you have to work with! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 6:33:58 GMT
As far as Julia goes PM said at the 100th ep panel that they would be keeping W&J apart later in the season. I hope that doesn't mean for the entire rest of the season. I'm beginning to think they're taking the title a little too seriously now. Whilst William is still my favourite character I do like seeing the two of them together and definitely want more Julia back. What's happening to my fave programme? It may not be that much longer if things don't get back on track. Later this evening I watched This One Goes to Eleven on City and was surprised at the difference in style between that and the newest eps. I think I liked the older ones better. The newer eps are much more slick and I have to admit I kind of liked the rawness of the older eps, they were much edgier. Agreed. I still love the show, and I don't mind some angst, but they need to fix the female characterization problem-it's not just Julia-Emily's been getting the shaft as well. The ladies aren't even regulars anymore-they've almost become bit players! I love William as well, and yes, he's my favorite character-but I don't want to watch a show with only him. He needs Julia/others to play off of-he's the straight man of sorts. Thus raising the old question, what do you think was the demarcation line between old MM and new MM? PM at season 5, or the move to CBC at 6. I honestly don't know... |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 6:37:06 GMT
The easy way around this is to bring some of the old writers back. They were the ones that made the show great! Perhaps they were loaners from other projects! But I am disturbed over the idea that the writers were short on ideas. The Edwardian period is majorly under-served. The writers are short on reading. This season has barely covered any history of the year 1902. Just missing the opportunity of the Manhattan train wreck with the steam/electricity issues, the press sensationalism issues, and the engineer's trial that required scientific witness - what a travesty!!! They are running out of ideas because they are a group of inbred writers sitting around, twiddling their thumbs, complaining about how they don't want to write another trite "shippy" scene. Well, then, don't. Read a history book and check out just how much fantastic material you have to work with! But the Manhatten train wreck didn't take place in Toronto. Sorry but we see enough stuff that takes place in the US this show is about Canada and Toronto in particular. If the train wreck had taken place in Toronto bet your life there would have been something about it. Maybe there just wasn't a lot of history being made in Toronto in 1902.... |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 6:42:59 GMT
As far as Julia goes PM said at the 100th ep panel that they would be keeping W&J apart later in the season. I hope that doesn't mean for the entire rest of the season. I'm beginning to think they're taking the title a little too seriously now. Whilst William is still my favourite character I do like seeing the two of them together and definitely want more Julia back. What's happening to my fave programme? It may not be that much longer if things don't get back on track. Later this evening I watched This One Goes to Eleven on City and was surprised at the difference in style between that and the newest eps. I think I liked the older ones better. The newer eps are much more slick and I have to admit I kind of liked the rawness of the older eps, they were much edgier. Agreed. I still love the show, and I don't mind some angst, but they need to fix the female characterization problem-it's not just Julia-Emily's been getting the shaft as well. The ladies aren't even regulars anymore-they've almost become bit players! I love William as well, and yes, he's my favorite character-but I don't want to watch a show with only him. He needs Julia/others to play off of-he's the straight man of sorts. Thus raising the old question, what do you think was the demarcation line between old MM and new MM? PM at season 5, or the move to CBC at 6. I honestly don't know... Yes they do need to fix the female characters but not sure it will happen any time soon. William needs Julia to bounce ideas off just like he used to do when he visited the morgue. Too bad her going back is now out of the question. To be honest I think that was the start of the decline. Then PM came in and the decline just became worse. I really don't like the way the show is going. I wish one of the old showrunners would come back. I'm now thinking PM is the real problem here. He's got too much of his own stamp on the show and seems to ignore what made it great in the first place. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 6:43:01 GMT
Hear hear to that, I hope Michelle Ricci & Carol Hay are fighting for Julia & Emily's roles in the show like us!!! I seem to remember PM saying that all the writers go off and write in their secret man caves somewhere. I guess that's a good way to avoid the "written by committee" effect, but I think they should still consider, of their own free will, remedying their possible male-oriented tunnel vision where they just cannot see a "use" for a woman... If not written by committee, then at least vetted by one! If the old writers have left for various reasons, and PM is only bringing in his protegés from film school, then we have a problem. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 6:46:10 GMT
Christina Jennings please can we get Cal Coons back as the showrunner??? The first two seasons were the best!
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 6:47:14 GMT
I seem to remember PM saying that all the writers go off and write in their secret man caves somewhere. I guess that's a good way to avoid the "written by committee" effect, but I think they should still consider, of their own free will, remedying their possible male-oriented tunnel vision where they just cannot see a "use" for a woman... If not written by committee, then at least vetted by one! If the old writers have left for various reasons, and PM is only bringing in his protegés from film school, then we have a problem. Exactly! I'm now thinking PM is the problem, he sees the show as something other than what it was and what we liked. |
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