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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 6:47:57 GMT
I agree but it's the production value I was referring to. I liked the older eps much better in every way including story lines. I came to MM last season and really liked it but I loved it once I saw the older eps. I think they did lose their writers when PM came in and brought some of his own. I'm beginning to think PM will be the end of MM I'm just not liking the way it's going with him as showrunner.  I thought it would be a storyline that continued for several eps but it just seems to be about not having Julia in it and that I just cannot go for. It's stupid, she's one of the main characters, whether PM likes it or not, and she needs to get back into the show as an important character as she was when she worked at the morgue. She should be helping William with his cases. I fear the end is near if things don't improve....  Well I doubt we're the only ones saying this. Julia is integral to the show. The Fans Have Spoken. But is Christine Jennings, the ultimate decision-maker here, listening? I braved Facebook earlier to read comments, and didn't see anything about Julia. But that doesn't mean that there won't be anything later or tomorrow. I tried to read Twitter, but I don't actually do Twitter, so I'm only seeing the official posts. So far, I haven't seen concern, but let me know if you see anything. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 6:52:06 GMT
Well I doubt we're the only ones saying this. Julia is integral to the show. The Fans Have Spoken. But is Christine Jennings, the ultimate decision-maker here, listening? I braved Facebook earlier to read comments, and didn't see anything about Julia. But that doesn't mean that there won't be anything later or tomorrow. I tried to read Twitter, but I don't actually do Twitter, so I'm only seeing the official posts. So far, I haven't seen concern, but let me know if you see anything. Doubt you'll see any complaints on FB most people are just me tooers. That's one of the reasons I like this forum. A lot of people are saying this is the best season yet, well maybe the first few eps but it's gone downhill since then. It's not that I don't enjoy watching it still it's just that it isn't what it was. It's feeling tired and I know that there could be many more seasons ahead if they could just get that spark back but that would mean bringing Julia back in the personna she had in the morgue, making more of Emily and getting some of that angst back. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 7:01:31 GMT
Agreed. I still love the show, and I don't mind some angst, but they need to fix the female characterization problem-it's not just Julia-Emily's been getting the shaft as well. The ladies aren't even regulars anymore-they've almost become bit players! I love William as well, and yes, he's my favorite character-but I don't want to watch a show with only him. He needs Julia/others to play off of-he's the straight man of sorts. Thus raising the old question, what do you think was the demarcation line between old MM and new MM? PM at season 5, or the move to CBC at 6. I honestly don't know... Yes they do need to fix the female characters but not sure it will happen any time soon. William needs Julia to bounce ideas off just like he used to do when he visited the morgue. Too bad her going back is now out of the question. To be honest I think that was the start of the decline. Then PM came in and the decline just became worse. I really don't like the way the show is going. I wish one of the old showrunners would come back. I'm now thinking PM is the real problem here. He's got too much of his own stamp on the show and seems to ignore what made it great in the first place. I'm not sure they'll fix it this season either. This season is in the can and not much can be done about it now anyway...here's to hoping we get a season 9 where balance is restored.  William and Julia are a team, and I feel that they've been trying to replace her with George this season. I love George, but he's not William's equal/match as she is. He grown so much as a detective/man/person with her by his side, and I miss that-the show needs that balance. With Julia at his side, they were challenging the beliefs and prejudices against women/Catholics/minorities-they were both outsiders with their own strengths that stood together and were all the more stronger for it. Now, that's missing. It's like the writer's gave that to us in 804/805 when they were a team, and now that fan service is done, they've dropped her character. I don't think it's deliberate or on purpose, but I think we have a bunch of men who don't know how to write women unless it involves romanticism with a man. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 7:20:54 GMT
I braved Facebook earlier to read comments, and didn't see anything about Julia. But that doesn't mean that there won't be anything later or tomorrow. I tried to read Twitter, but I don't actually do Twitter, so I'm only seeing the official posts. So far, I haven't seen concern, but let me know if you see anything. Doubt you'll see any complaints on FB most people are just me tooers. That's one of the reasons I like this forum. A lot of people are saying this is the best season yet, well maybe the first few eps but it's gone downhill since then. It's not that I don't enjoy watching it still it's just that it isn't what it was. It's feeling tired and I know that there could be many more seasons ahead if they could just get that spark back but that would mean bringing Julia back in the personna she had in the morgue, making more of Emily and getting some of that angst back. The people on FB scare me-they're none too bright either.  Well, some of them. I don't like to make sweeping generalizations...  Which is why I like this forum-great discussion here! For me, the charm of the show was challenging those long-held views about Victorian society with strong women, homosexuality, racial issues, immigration, etc. This season seems to be holding up the traditional views of Victorian society as opposed to challenging them-like previous seasons. People here have mentioned lots of ways to fix Julia's character, and I believe that the show can do it-if they want to. But right now, I'm not sure that they do. By all means, MM, prove me wrong! Really, I don't mind. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 7:26:37 GMT
I'm not sure they'll fix it this season either. This season is in the can and not much can be done about it now anyway...here's to hoping we get a season 9 where balance is restored. William and Julia are a team, and I feel that they've been trying to replace her with George this season. I love George, but he's not William's equal/match as she is. He grown so much as a detective/man/person with her by his side, and I miss that-the show needs that balance. With Julia at his side, they were challenging the beliefs and prejudices against women/Catholics/minorities-they were both outsiders with their own strengths that stood together and were all the more stronger for it. Now, that's missing. It's like the writer's gave that to us in 804/805 when they were a team, and now that fan service is done, they've dropped her character. I don't think it's deliberate or on purpose, but I think we have a bunch of men who don't know how to write women unless it involves romanticism with a man. It occurs to me another problem is that MM hears about their renewal really late - and then they have to write 18 episodes! Here's a clue to the writers: write the woman as a man's character and then just swap out the gender! It totally works unless the scene involves the man handling his dick!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 7:30:20 GMT
I'm not sure they'll fix it this season either. This season is in the can and not much can be done about it now anyway...here's to hoping we get a season 9 where balance is restored. William and Julia are a team, and I feel that they've been trying to replace her with George this season. I love George, but he's not William's equal/match as she is. He grown so much as a detective/man/person with her by his side, and I miss that-the show needs that balance. With Julia at his side, they were challenging the beliefs and prejudices against women/Catholics/minorities-they were both outsiders with their own strengths that stood together and were all the more stronger for it. Now, that's missing. It's like the writer's gave that to us in 804/805 when they were a team, and now that fan service is done, they've dropped her character. I don't think it's deliberate or on purpose, but I think we have a bunch of men who don't know how to write women unless it involves romanticism with a man. It occurs to me another problem is that MM hears about their renewal really late - and then they have to write 18 episodes! Here's a clue to the writers: write the woman as a man's character and then just swap out the gender! It totally works unless the scene involves the man handling his dick! I suspect they know much earlier than that-and they've been hinting at season 9, so I think they already know. It just won't be official until CBC announces its Fall schedule in April. I think season 9 scriptwriting and pre-production are going now or are about to begin. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 7:39:21 GMT
People here have mentioned lots of ways to fix Julia's character, and I believe that the show can do it-if they want to. But right now, I'm not sure that they do. By all means, MM, prove me wrong! Really, I don't mind. In speaking of which, I actually shoveled down into my deeply buried 19th-century book section, and my memory did not deceive me: I did indeed have a book called Victorian Sexuality! I only read a bit last night, though. What I learned was that doctors were split over the idea of whether to advise pre-marital sex. They felt sex had health benefits, but they didn't want to promote prostitution or the use of contraception to get in the way of the natural child-bearing process. Many also didn't want to recommend "onanism". So they were kind of stuck. This left the door open to all sorts of quack medicine - like the chair in High Voltage! |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 7:41:05 GMT
I suspect they know much earlier than that-and they've been hinting at season 9, so I think they already know. It just won't be official until CBC announces its Fall schedule in April. I think season 9 scriptwriting and pre-production are going now or are about to begin. Time to start parading about with signs and slogans for Julia's forensic lab!  |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 13, 2015 7:49:27 GMT
I enjoyed this episode, especially the location. The temple is the Foster Memorial, build in the 1930s, in Uxbridge, Ontario, which is about an hour north of Toronto. I went through it a number of years ago. There is more information about it in the Making of video......
Cheers
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 8:14:40 GMT
Well I doubt we're the only ones saying this. Julia is integral to the show. The Fans Have Spoken. But is Christine Jennings, the ultimate decision-maker here, listening? I braved Facebook earlier to read comments, and didn't see anything about Julia. But that doesn't mean that there won't be anything later or tomorrow. I tried to read Twitter, but I don't actually do Twitter, so I'm only seeing the official posts. So far, I haven't seen concern, but let me know if you see anything. I just did what I would swear I'd never do...I've joined Twitter! I've found a few complaints about Julia, but not as many as I'd like to see. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 8:24:09 GMT
I braved Facebook earlier to read comments, and didn't see anything about Julia. But that doesn't mean that there won't be anything later or tomorrow. I tried to read Twitter, but I don't actually do Twitter, so I'm only seeing the official posts. So far, I haven't seen concern, but let me know if you see anything. I just did what I would swear I'd never do...I've joined Twitter! I've found a few complaints about Julia, but not as many as I'd like to see. Well it's hard to complain at length in 140 characters. I'd think that the long form complaints would be on Facebook. At least now you can participate in the weekly Twitterfest fun! |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 8:26:46 GMT
I enjoyed this episode, especially the location. The temple is the Foster Memorial, build in the 1930s, in Uxbridge, Ontario, which is about an hour north of Toronto. I went through it a number of years ago. There is more information about it in the Making of video...... Cheers Is the "temple" really lost in the Canadian jungle? |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 13, 2015 8:34:05 GMT
I enjoyed this episode, especially the location. The temple is the Foster Memorial, build in the 1930s, in Uxbridge, Ontario, which is about an hour north of Toronto. I went through it a number of years ago. There is more information about it in the Making of video...... Cheers Is the "temple" really lost in the Canadian jungle? No, actually. It is in the middle of quite well manicured lawns, in a town which has become a bedroom community of Toronto......a lot of CGI went into that temple.........
Cheers
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 9:34:20 GMT
Yay it was up tonight so I got to see it before going to sleep! This was a nice episode which told me that William and Julia should have gone on their honeymoon in Japan, lol. It seems that while William is a "stick in the mud" and a homebody, there's a part of him that wanted to explore the world and have adventures. He missed that chance with both Anna and Dr. Bajjali. Part of the reason William didn't want to be alone with Dr. Bajjali was because he did enjoy her company, and he was probably interrogating himself as to what that meant. There was an amusing insight into life with Orderly!William - dinner with Julia is always PRECISELY at 7pm. Very curious as to how William under-sold Dr. Bajjali's charms when Julia came home later that night. If William was a little more lusty than usual that might have made her even more insecure!  Back to the regular story - much great homage to Indiana Jones as well as the history of MM. ROFLMAO at the swashbuckling archaeologist being trapped in a room full of butterflies. William couldn't get out of that conversation fast enough! I found the ending of the episode especially Indiana Jones-worthy. CC - I think you are right about the curse!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 10:23:43 GMT
Yay it was up tonight so I got to see it before going to sleep! This was a nice episode which told me that William and Julia should have gone on their honeymoon in Japan, lol. It seems that while William is a "stick in the mud" and a homebody, there's a part of him that wanted to explore the world and have adventures. He missed that chance with both Anna and Dr. Bajjali. Part of the reason William didn't want to be alone with Dr. Bajjali was because he did enjoy her company, and he was probably interrogating himself as to what that meant. There was an amusing insight into life with Orderly!William - dinner with Julia is always PRECISELY at 7pm. Very curious as to how William under-sold Dr. Bajjali's charms when Julia came home later that night. If William was a little more lusty than usual that might have made her even more insecure! Back to the regular story - much great homage to Indiana Jones as well as the history of MM. ROFLMAO at the swashbuckling archaeologist being trapped in a room full of butterflies. William couldn't get out of that conversation fast enough! I found the ending of the episode especially Indiana Jones-worthy. CC - I think you are right about the curse! Did I miss something? I thought Emily was running for office, and now Margaret is the candidate? Is this a plothole, or is this another case of the writers not caring because it's a "female problem"?I think you're right about William a bit of a homebody, but I also took that to mean that he was hurt she wasn't making time for him. Maybe they've promised one another that they'll always meet every night at 7 for dinner despite their schedules. This is the sort of angst I could get behind-not just writing her character out of the show. It didn't help that he was attracted to Dr. Bajjali, and he was uncomfortable with being alone with her-that's the sort of angst I'd like, not scriptwriting that's seemingly preparing to kill off a key character. God, I hope that we're not about to have a curse. Or that better not be how they kill Julia off. But it may very well be. |
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