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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 13, 2015 15:12:53 GMT
Yay it was up tonight so I got to see it before going to sleep! This was a nice episode which told me that William and Julia should have gone on their honeymoon in Japan, lol.  It seems that while William is a "stick in the mud" and a homebody, there's a part of him that wanted to explore the world and have adventures. He missed that chance with both Anna and Dr. Bajjali. Part of the reason William didn't want to be alone with Dr. Bajjali was because he did enjoy her company, and he was probably interrogating himself as to what that meant. There was an amusing insight into life with Orderly!William - dinner with Julia is always PRECISELY at 7pm. Very curious as to how William under-sold Dr. Bajjali's charms when Julia came home later that night. If William was a little more lusty than usual that might have made her even more insecure!  Back to the regular story - much great homage to Indiana Jones as well as the history of MM. ROFLMAO at the swashbuckling archaeologist being trapped in a room full of butterflies. William couldn't get out of that conversation fast enough! I found the ending of the episode especially Indiana Jones-worthy. CC - I think you are right about the curse!  Did I miss something? I thought Emily was running for office, and now Margaret is the candidate? Is this a plothole, or is this another case of the writers not caring because it's a "female problem"?I think you're right about William a bit of a homebody, but I also took that to mean that he was hurt she wasn't making time for him. Maybe they've promised one another that they'll always meet every night at 7 for dinner despite their schedules. This is the sort of angst I could get behind-not just writing her character out of the show. It didn't help that he was attracted to Dr. Bajjali, and he was uncomfortable with being alone with her-that's the sort of angst I'd like, not scriptwriting that's seemingly preparing to kill off a key character. God, I hope that we're not about to have a curse. Or that better not be how they kill Julia off. But it may very well be. You're confusing the show with my Lemily fic I think...it was up in the air as to who would take over in 808. I don't get why Lilian was so rude to Julia if Lilian herself didn't have the stones to step up to the plate. Glad she repented her harsh words later on but still, I'm starting to not like Lilian, especially if she's going to get more screen time than Julia herself. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 16:18:05 GMT
Did I miss something? I thought Emily was running for office, and now Margaret is the candidate? Is this a plothole, or is this another case of the writers not caring because it's a "female problem"?I think you're right about William a bit of a homebody, but I also took that to mean that he was hurt she wasn't making time for him. Maybe they've promised one another that they'll always meet every night at 7 for dinner despite their schedules. This is the sort of angst I could get behind-not just writing her character out of the show. It didn't help that he was attracted to Dr. Bajjali, and he was uncomfortable with being alone with her-that's the sort of angst I'd like, not scriptwriting that's seemingly preparing to kill off a key character. God, I hope that we're not about to have a curse. Or that better not be how they kill Julia off. But it may very well be. You're confusing the show with my Lemily fic I think...it was up in the air as to who would take over in 808. I don't get why Lilian was so rude to Julia if Lilian herself didn't have the stones to step up to the plate. Glad she repented her harsh words later on but still, I'm starting to not like Lilian, especially if she's going to get more screen time than Julia herself. I could have sworn Emily said she'd do it...and then we were waiting for her to hit a snag and it eventually go to Margaret. Maybe I'll feel like rewatching 808 again and find out for sure. Yeah, after laying on the sapphism rather thick, they've definitely backed off. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 18:11:08 GMT
I just did what I would swear I'd never do...I've joined Twitter! I've found a few complaints about Julia, but not as many as I'd like to see.  Well it's hard to complain at length in 140 characters. I'd think that the long form complaints would be on Facebook. At least now you can participate in the weekly Twitterfest fun! Well I didn't think it would happen but it finally has. People on FB are complaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They're finally fed up with the lack of Jilliam and Julia as a strong character. They've mentioned her marginalization (along with Emily) and want our female characters back as they were. Someone even mentioned Julia back in the morgue! I've put in more than my 2¢ worth and even mentioned a change of writers if that's what it takes. We'll see what happens next season, I'm pretty sure there'll be one. I hope Christina Jennings sees some of these posts or at least is told what they contain. Seems last night's episode didn't go down too well....  |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 18:43:27 GMT
I braved Facebook earlier to read comments, and didn't see anything about Julia. But that doesn't mean that there won't be anything later or tomorrow. I tried to read Twitter, but I don't actually do Twitter, so I'm only seeing the official posts. So far, I haven't seen concern, but let me know if you see anything. I just did what I would swear I'd never do...I've joined Twitter! I've found a few complaints about Julia, but not as many as I'd like to see. Did you join as Fallenbelle? I'll look for you and follow you. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Jan 13, 2015 19:29:11 GMT
Well I still haven't been able to get a hold of the episode, but hopefully I'll be able to get my grubby little hands on it soon.
After competing an entire rewatch of season 7 and can definatly say that this season has been very very very light on Julia. She seemed to be popping up all over the place in Season 7 with lectures, profiling, and had some very strong lines (I'm reminded of her one in The Filmed Adventures... where she says "If you're playing a modern woman, perhaps you shouldn't be trying to define her though her relationship with a man.") And this concerns me. It's like they're trying to write her out without writing her out.
If they do something silly like kill her off at the end of the season, then that's it. I'm done. Mainly because then Murdoch Mysteries will be entering the realam of soap and that will be it's death and I don't think I could watch that happen.
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 20:01:57 GMT
Well I still haven't been able to get a hold of the episode, but hopefully I'll be able to get my grubby little hands on it soon. After competing an entire rewatch of season 7 and can definatly say that this season has been very very very light on Julia. She seemed to be popping up all over the place in Season 7 with lectures, profiling, and had some very strong lines (I'm reminded of her one in The Filmed Adventures... where she says "If you're playing a modern woman, perhaps you shouldn't be trying to define her though her relationship with a man.") And this concerns me. It's like they're trying to write her out without writing her out. If they do something silly like kill her off at the end of the season, then that's it. I'm done. Mainly because then Murdoch Mysteries will be entering the realam of soap and that will be it's death and I don't think I could watch that happen. Are you sure? This ep seemed widely available last night - though the links weren't titled yet. Keep trying! Wasn't there some suggestion that the last episode took place in a museum? Because William did curse himself and his family... On the other hand, I think he was saved by his true faith in God, so Julia might have to convert after all.  I do think the writers created this "crisis of Julia" unnecessarily. The character could have been absent, yet more present in the show, reassuring viewers of her importance to William and using her absence as an opportunity for drama. Instead she's just MIA, giving people the impression her character is being de-prioritized. Whatever happens at the end of Season 8, though, keep your mind open. If you look back at the posts on this forum, so many people were "done" at the end of Season 4...but who is William married to now? |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 20:08:00 GMT
Well it's hard to complain at length in 140 characters. I'd think that the long form complaints would be on Facebook. At least now you can participate in the weekly Twitterfest fun! Well I didn't think it would happen but it finally has. People on FB are complaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They're finally fed up with the lack of Jilliam and Julia as a strong character. They've mentioned her marginalization (along with Emily) and want our female characters back as they were. Someone even mentioned Julia back in the morgue! I've put in more than my 2¢ worth and even mentioned a change of writers if that's what it takes. We'll see what happens next season, I'm pretty sure there'll be one. I hope Christina Jennings sees some of these posts or at least is told what they contain. Seems last night's episode didn't go down too well.... lol, maybe you need a hashtag twitterstorm like #foxnewsfacts . How about #JuliaToTheFront In all fairness, though, last night's episode was good. If there is less discussion, I think it only proves that there's more to "gossip" about in the shippy bits. So I'm more likely to over-analyze what William's sweet smile meant over dinner than than how much I enjoyed the references to Turkish history or how tightly the plot was constructed. But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate those latter things. Perhaps we just need more people to go to bat for those sorts of discussions. I have tried to whip out the historical discussion in the "History and Forensics" section, but I see no takers. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 20:24:00 GMT
I could have sworn Emily said she'd do it...and then we were waiting for her to hit a snag and it eventually go to Margaret. Maybe I'll feel like rewatching 808 again and find out for sure. Yeah, after laying on the sapphism rather thick, they've definitely backed off. I think both Lillian and Emily were irritated with Julia because with her money and public standing, she would have had a better chance than Margaret Haile who was not only a socialist (representing suspect poorer classes) but was an outsider who had only recently come from Boston. Lillian made it clear that she thought Julia gave it all up for marriage (to a "stick in the mud" middle class salaryman no less). She was being ruled by a man "lower" than herself. This was the darker side of early feminism - women claimed the vote because lower class men and black men (who should be "beneath them" in the Victorian hierarchy) already had it. Also, most women who chose to be "modern" and lead their own professional lives had to choose not to marry. Julia didn't make that choice, so Lillian might have resented that as a sort of surrendering of the values of the New Woman. Sort of like the younger generation mocks hippies who "sold out". As for the sapphism, I believe they will try to play that symbolically and test what the audience makes of it. IIRC, that's what happened on Xena. First they were companions, but then the fandom started actively assuming and celebrating more of a relationship. I didn't think it was ever formally declared on TV, but CC proved me wrong. If they did go in that direction, I believe MM would ultimately declare it just because this is their own brand of "edgy". But for now there will just be hints for the audience to interpret. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 13, 2015 20:31:18 GMT
I think you're right about William a bit of a homebody, but I also took that to mean that he was hurt she wasn't making time for him. Maybe they've promised one another that they'll always meet every night at 7 for dinner despite their schedules. This is the sort of angst I could get behind-not just writing her character out of the show. It didn't help that he was attracted to Dr. Bajjali, and he was uncomfortable with being alone with her-that's the sort of angst I'd like, not scriptwriting that's seemingly preparing to kill off a key character. Yes! MM writers could have easily slipped in a line A COUPLE OF EPISODES AGO about William feeling Julia was not making time for him. Then missing Julia is explained and angsty. William could take a second at work to look at a token of their relationship, just as he looked at Liza's horse necklace (cue tears). Julia is present even though absent. This is what I mean about the missed opportunity of USING Julia's absence. I would have loved that. Instead the writing team just made fans wonder whether they are writing out Julia's character. Sorry PM - that's a showrunner fail! I did love that Bajjali scene though. William was uncomfortable, yet he enjoyed Dr. Bajjali's company, and he looked so helpless about it! Good acting, YB! (Perhaps this is the "I'm at your mercy" look that comes from dealing with a house full of women...) |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 21:02:56 GMT
I just did what I would swear I'd never do...I've joined Twitter! I've found a few complaints about Julia, but not as many as I'd like to see. Did you join as Fallenbelle? I'll look for you and follow you. Fallenbelle2 |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 13, 2015 21:04:31 GMT
Well I still haven't been able to get a hold of the episode, but hopefully I'll be able to get my grubby little hands on it soon. After competing an entire rewatch of season 7 and can definatly say that this season has been very very very light on Julia. She seemed to be popping up all over the place in Season 7 with lectures, profiling, and had some very strong lines (I'm reminded of her one in The Filmed Adventures... where she says "If you're playing a modern woman, perhaps you shouldn't be trying to define her though her relationship with a man.") And this concerns me. It's like they're trying to write her out without writing her out. If they do something silly like kill her off at the end of the season, then that's it. I'm done. Mainly because then Murdoch Mysteries will be entering the realam of soap and that will be it's death and I don't think I could watch that happen. Are you sure? This ep seemed widely available last night - though the links weren't titled yet. Keep trying! Wasn't there some suggestion that the last episode took place in a museum? Because William did curse himself and his family... On the other hand, I think he was saved by his true faith in God, so Julia might have to convert after all. I do think the writers created this "crisis of Julia" unnecessarily. The character could have been absent, yet more present in the show, reassuring viewers of her importance to William and using her absence as an opportunity for drama. Instead she's just MIA, giving people the impression her character is being de-prioritized. Whatever happens at the end of Season 8, though, keep your mind open. If you look back at the posts on this forum, so many people were "done" at the end of Season 4...but who is William married to now? I sure won't be done any time soon as long as William Murdoch is still in the show but it does change the dynamic and not in a good way. I feel that the female characters are being de-prioritized and I'm not sure why. It could just be that the writers don't know what to do with them. The current writers and PM need to be sat down in front of a screen and shown every episode in S1-4 then told to go away and write scripts that match the quality they've just seen and make sure that all the characters get the same representation that they got in those seasons. Of course introducing a new character didn't help with the time allowed for the other characters and whilst I don't think she should be written out now her character should get the time necessary for her job and nothing more. I've just thought of a new project for myself.... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 13, 2015 21:12:12 GMT
Well it's hard to complain at length in 140 characters. I'd think that the long form complaints would be on Facebook. At least now you can participate in the weekly Twitterfest fun! Well I didn't think it would happen but it finally has. People on FB are complaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They're finally fed up with the lack of Jilliam and Julia as a strong character. They've mentioned her marginalization (along with Emily) and want our female characters back as they were. Someone even mentioned Julia back in the morgue! I've put in more than my 2¢ worth and even mentioned a change of writers if that's what it takes. We'll see what happens next season, I'm pretty sure there'll be one. I hope Christina Jennings sees some of these posts or at least is told what they contain. Seems last night's episode didn't go down too well.... As a single episode, it wouldn't have been a big deal if she were gone or mostly missing. But when you combine that with she's been seen so little this season, and when she has, she's mostly just been the little wife (the rousing speech in this ep an exception) well, good. Maybe this finally woke some people up. I really did like the ep, but when combined with the lack of women/Jilliam this season, it's major cause for concern. Unfortunately for me, this concern has overridden the enjoyment of the episode.  |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 13, 2015 21:47:54 GMT
MM posted on Twitter last night that the 8 February episode will focus on Julia's psychiatry practice.....
Cheers
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Jan 14, 2015 1:09:46 GMT
Okay thanks to @fallenbelle I got a link to see this episode-though no screencaps until I can get something that resembles good quality.
And now lets queue up the thoughts:
Brackenreid & Sons fishing. Just adorable. I'm seeing a tackle shop "Brackenreid & Sons" which is constantly out of Nightcrawlers because someone keeps letting them go! Be free wormies! Be free!
I enjoyed seeing Murdoch fluster some when Iris finds out he is married. Flustered William is just precious. I do wish Julia had been at dinner though as I would have gotten to see Murdoch fluster more.-"Look what your husband brought home for dinner!"
Disappointed in the lack of Julia and the censer Julia recieved by the members of the Toronto Suffragette Society. Yeah I know she chickened out but she could have done it at a much worse time such as mid campaign. Even though I am in favor of a bisexual Emily-I am not sure that Lillian Moss is such a good influence on her.
Trust Julia to kick everyone in line. You tell 'em girl. You tell 'em.
Am I the only one who is seriously uncomfortable with Bajjali calling Murdoch "William"? Gurl, you are not part of the 2 people who are allowed to call him by his given name. So stop. kthanksbai (That would be Julia, Susannah and meh I guess Anna can be allowed to call him William as well. Though I'd like to see her with him now that he is married to see if I can deem it acceptable.)
I loved his irked expression when he saw that his bike had been stolen! I was half expecting him to add "theft" into his offcial arrest. Unfortuantly whats-his-name-not-Enoch decided to see if he can fly...yeah about that. Not very smart.
I thought George was on real top form this episode-It was great seeing that he is continuing his writing career(ish) and that he was actually able to apply his research into real life. BUTTERFLIES---> That was probably the highlight of the episode. Murdochs Face. PRICELESS!
I don't think the curse affected William. As he wanted to give the "not the Holy Grail" back to society-the Vatican-a museuem. And he didn't seem too pleased with the attention it would draw to himself. While all the other adventurers/seekers-Bajjali included were after it for personal "selfish" reasons-money, fame etc..
Annnddd Cue cheesy lightning bolt in 3....2......1...BZZAPP!
Meh. Not sure I'm going to miss Bajjali. She was beginning to seriously annoy me by the end of the episode-I liked her in Evil Eye of Egypt, but in this episode-she just got annoying with her "Williams" and just her in general. I guess that's what happens sometimes when you get to know a character a little better. (at least for me anyway. For example-in Doctor Who I really liked River Song in the Season 4 Library episodes, but later on in seasons 5-6 & even 7 she really began to annoy me.)
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 14, 2015 3:42:23 GMT
Well I still haven't been able to get a hold of the episode, but hopefully I'll be able to get my grubby little hands on it soon. After competing an entire rewatch of season 7 and can definatly say that this season has been very very very light on Julia. She seemed to be popping up all over the place in Season 7 with lectures, profiling, and had some very strong lines (I'm reminded of her one in The Filmed Adventures... where she says "If you're playing a modern woman, perhaps you shouldn't be trying to define her though her relationship with a man.") And this concerns me. It's like they're trying to write her out without writing her out. If they do something silly like kill her off at the end of the season, then that's it. I'm done. Mainly because then Murdoch Mysteries will be entering the realam of soap and that will be it's death and I don't think I could watch that happen. Are you sure? This ep seemed widely available last night - though the links weren't titled yet. Keep trying! Wasn't there some suggestion that the last episode took place in a museum? Because William did curse himself and his family... On the other hand, I think he was saved by his true faith in God, so Julia might have to convert after all. I do think the writers created this "crisis of Julia" unnecessarily. The character could have been absent, yet more present in the show, reassuring viewers of her importance to William and using her absence as an opportunity for drama. Instead she's just MIA, giving people the impression her character is being de-prioritized. Whatever happens at the end of Season 8, though, keep your mind open. If you look back at the posts on this forum, so many people were "done" at the end of Season 4...but who is William married to now? If she's dead, there will be no fix for that. Unintentionally or not, that's how she's been written this season. I love Jilliam, but I'm more upset about female characterization this season. Julia's all but gone already, and Emily flits in, declares someone dead, and is off again. Plus, a few token mentions about suffragettes, and that's it. Complex female characters this is not. |
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