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Post by randomkiwibirds on Feb 17, 2015 15:46:51 GMT
Well I can't say I'm surprised. Lillian is Emily's type after all.
I'll post the rest of my thoughts once I've actually seen the episode & have caught up with the last 10 pages of discussion.
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Post by Hodge on Feb 17, 2015 17:19:23 GMT
But, I like Brax a lot this episode, and I think this season has shown an interesting dynamic with him vs. women. He's old enough to where he thinks what he says goes because he's the man, but he's also young enough to be a little modern and still thoughtful towards women. He thinks he should control the women around him, yet he clearly doesn't. Rather than be angry about it, he does still try too treat them with respect in his own way. Think about it, Margaret's obviously the boss of him, Julia listened to him, but certainly didn't cower in fear, and Emily hears him and goes off and does the opposite. Yet, he still respects them in his own way-but he's a man of his era. He's no misogynist pig-but he's definitely got some thinking to do in how women fit into this modern world he's a part of whether he likes it or not. When George was looking at the jewelry store, I thought he was going to pick out an engagement ring! Still, I got the impression, that he might have feelings for Emily, and that the show might get them back together yet. Murdoch accepted Julia's abortion and divorce, George accepts Emily's sapphism. Brackenreid's come a long way since the beginning of the show. In Glass Ceiling he was very reluctant to give Julia the respect she deserves as a pathologist, he was quite dismissive in the way he looked at her and spoke to her, his body language said he didn't respect her. He did however value her information enough to use it. Over the years his attitude towards her has changed enormously. Whilst he still somewhat dismisses her as a person (she doesn't know a woman's place) he respects her as a professional. I think he feels she has too much influence on 'his' detective, this influence however usually helps him in his work. His experience with Julia as a professional has worked in Emily's favour as she hasn't had to go through as rigorous a test where her professionalism is concerned. I suspect he considers her even more of a wild card that Julia though outside work. She is younger and perhaps almost young enough to be his daughter so that would have an influence on the way he looks at her. I think George has always had feelings for Emily but he doesn't trust her wandering eye and doesn't want to go through another Leslie Garland incident. He's better off sticking with Edna. Not sure how he would feel about her sapphism, I'm not sure he caught on. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 18:10:46 GMT
Well I have read all the comments here and on FB. I think we can split the FBs into 3 groups 1 those that were holding out for Gemily to return 2 the ones left over from Yannicks Sue Thomas days and expect MM to be the same sickly moralistic show 3 The ones who think it is acceptable to show someone who has been decapitated but not 2 people kissing. They will allow their children to watch people who have been shot stabbed raped but god forbid you show 2 people being loving to each other. I think the ones who were holding out for Gemily can always hold out hope. You never know how the characters will develop, and Emily is big on experimentation. Personally I'm on Team Lillian, though. I always thought Gemily seemed unnatural. The Sue Thomas hold out thing is just weird, especially this many years later. I've seen vids that import the Sue Thomas "country values" theme, and it is just such a cognitive discontent with a Victorian period show - my brain just goes TILT every time I see it. I figure these are Yannick-worshippers who just brought the values they wanted to see with them. Depressing how this goes from "I have the right to see things my way" to "everyone better see things my way", though. The third point about acknowledging alternative sexual *options* exist in the world being worse than acknowledging violence exists in the world is chilling. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 18:12:43 GMT
Perhaps four groups as there are some on fb that think the way I do and I'm definitely not in one of the above groups, we may be a minority though. I suspect many of the people have been watching MM with rose coloured glasses thinking it was purely 'family' entertainment. I actually would agree with that somewhat but it depends what kind of family you belong to. If only FB allowed sigs so you could put: "I don't give a toss" - Inspector B" Perhaps we could replace the Internet drama cliche *eats popcorn* with *eats crumpets*? |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 18:15:03 GMT
When Emily and Lillian step out of the carriage the night they go under cover...I think she's wearing a corset there-a very Gibson Girl shape going on there... but, they are undercover. It makes sense that they want to dress up and wear "Spanx" to ensure proper shape. LOL, spank.  They were stylin' in that slo mo! I'd like to see a lot more of that on MM. That was a good episode even though we are focusing on the last scene. By the way, I bought the last scene. Nice "attack", Georgina! |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 18:23:15 GMT
Finally got home and saw the ep (darn that pesky job). I liked it-it was solid, it was interesting, and my husband said at the beginning of the ep that Emily and Lillian were gonna kiss. Actually, he's been waiting for them to do that for a while... No, he doesn't read spoilers or the like... But, I like Brax a lot this episode, and I think this season has shown an interesting dynamic with him vs. women. He's old enough to where he thinks what he says goes because he's the man, but he's also young enough to be a little modern and still thoughtful towards women. He thinks he should control the women around him, yet he clearly doesn't. Rather than be angry about it, he does still try too treat them with respect in his own way. Think about it, Margaret's obviously the boss of him, Julia listened to him, but certainly didn't cower in fear, and Emily hears him and goes off and does the opposite. Yet, he still respects them in his own way-but he's a man of his era. He's no misogynist pig-but he's definitely got some thinking to do in how women fit into this modern world he's a part of whether he likes it or not. When George was looking at the jewelry store, I thought he was going to pick out an engagement ring! Still, I got the impression, that he might have feelings for Emily, and that the show might get them back together yet. Murdoch accepted Julia's abortion and divorce, George accepts Emily's sapphism. Mind you, I hope I'm wrong... I thought Emily and Lillian were together much earlier in the season as well. I also like how the Inspector has been written all season. He's just sexist enough to be right for his character, but not enough that I want a mob of women to come toss him through a window. Nice sensitive "volume control" on the part of the writers. I also think they've depicted the way he is mellowing and settling into his "chairman" years really well. lol at Margaret being the boss of him. Maybe George was thinking of an engagement ring for Edna...?  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 18:28:44 GMT
I thought that too but it would've been too cliched I guess...though that's the second time they made us THINK he was gonna do it. In S7 the preview had him talking about waiting at the jeweler's all day... Yup, same impression I got. But I don't think he knows yet. At least not consciously. On the other hand, George might feel a little less rejected if he knew it wasn't about his class or his personal short-comings. If Emily just prefers women, they can be good friends again. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 18:30:16 GMT
Well I can't say I'm surprised. Lillian is Emily's type after all. I'll post the rest of my thoughts once I've actually seen the episode & have caught up with the last 10 pages of discussion. Yes, the only thing that surprised me was that anyone was surprise. WTF, lol.  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 18:43:41 GMT
Brackenreid's come a long way since the beginning of the show. In Glass Ceiling he was very reluctant to give Julia the respect she deserves as a pathologist, he was quite dismissive in the way he looked at her and spoke to her, his body language said he didn't respect her. I think George has always had feelings for Emily but he doesn't trust her wandering eye and doesn't want to go through another Leslie Garland incident. He's better off sticking with Edna. Not sure how he would feel about her sapphism, I'm not sure he caught on. hmm, I have to look at MM again in the "true" order to see if there is an Inspector B/Julia arc there. The only thing I remember is how eager he was to set her up on a date with William by Season 2. That old gossip hound! George does crush on Emily, but she is abrasive to him. I think he would feel better to know the source of that abrasiveness isn't because he's a mere constable. He definitely has some insecurities in that area. He was reluctant to approach her in the first place (Twentieth Century Murdoch). Also there's that discussion he had with Ruby in Future Imperfect about how he thought he was a good man despite how he would probably be one of the ones eradicated by the eugenics program. Also it's got to make him wonder that he never gets promoted. If there is a civil service exam, does he keep failing it? He's not totally lacking in education - he has to read stuff all the time for his job. Anyway, even if he likes Emily, I don't think George sees in himself "Emily's type" - which would be more confident and ambitious, if not adventurous. He probably is her type in his imagination, and he certainly is a good, reliable man (which Emily recognizes and chides herself for not appreciating more). I guess there is a time in a man's life where he has to choose between the "girl" and the "wife", and George is coming to terms with the fact that Emily is the "girl". |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Feb 17, 2015 18:52:36 GMT
I thought that too but it would've been too cliched I guess...though that's the second time they made us THINK he was gonna do it. In S7 the preview had him talking about waiting at the jeweler's all day... Yup, same impression I got. But I don't think he knows yet. At least not consciously. On the other hand, George might feel a little less rejected if he knew it wasn't about his class or his personal short-comings. If Emily just prefers women, they can be good friends again. Well this is Ricci's take on the matter: "I think it’s important to note that she isn’t falling for a woman. She’s falling for a person. She’s not turning gay on a dime. She isn’t all of a sudden discovering she’s a lesbian. This woman has opened her eyes to a whole world of possibilities. That’s an important distinction to not cheapen the relationships that she had in the past. She absolutely loved Crabtree. She was absolutely hoodwinked by Leslie Garland. This is a different person at a different stage in her life and a different journey for her." |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Feb 17, 2015 19:06:51 GMT
Well I'm gald that Brackenreid saw through his nephew eventually and appreciated his staff.
They mystery was pretty good a few nice little twists in there. The misdirection was well done.
Good character development from Brackenried, he has come very far from the season 1 days.
I just hope Emily is careful-and doesn't lose her job over this.
Lillian Moss was better this episode. I think she might be growing on me. Still rather wary of her though. But I think she does genuinely care for Emily and I think this might be softening her a little. But I could still be wrong.
I'm seeing Emily becoming a little "tougher" and Lillian becoming a little "softer".
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Feb 17, 2015 19:07:55 GMT
On the other hand, George might feel a little less rejected if he knew it wasn't about his class or his personal short-comings. If Emily just prefers women, they can be good friends again. Well this is Ricci's take on the matter: "I think it’s important to note that she isn’t falling for a woman. She’s falling for a person. She’s not turning gay on a dime. She isn’t all of a sudden discovering she’s a lesbian. This woman has opened her eyes to a whole world of possibilities. That’s an important distinction to not cheapen the relationships that she had in the past. She absolutely loved Crabtree. She was absolutely hoodwinked by Leslie Garland. This is a different person at a different stage in her life and a different journey for her." I think that is probably the best way to descirbe it. And I can see it over the couse of these past two seasons. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 19:26:36 GMT
On the other hand, George might feel a little less rejected if he knew it wasn't about his class or his personal short-comings. If Emily just prefers women, they can be good friends again. Well this is Ricci's take on the matter: "I think it’s important to note that she isn’t falling for a woman. She’s falling for a person. She’s not turning gay on a dime. She isn’t all of a sudden discovering she’s a lesbian. This woman has opened her eyes to a whole world of possibilities. That’s an important distinction to not cheapen the relationships that she had in the past. She absolutely loved Crabtree. She was absolutely hoodwinked by Leslie Garland. This is a different person at a different stage in her life and a different journey for her." Nice statement, but I just can't buy she "absolutely loved" Crabtree. Her body language and line delivery - and the lines themselves - told me otherwise. But yes - people fall in love with people, not "genders categories". |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 19:32:49 GMT
Well I'm gald that Brackenreid saw through his nephew eventually and appreciated his staff. They mystery was pretty good a few nice little twists in there. The misdirection was well done. Good character development from Brackenried, he has come very far from the season 1 days. I just hope Emily is careful-and doesn't lose her job over this. Lillian Moss was better this episode. I think she might be growing on me. Still rather wary of her though. But I think she does genuinely care for Emily and I think this might be softening her a little. But I could still be wrong. I'm seeing Emily becoming a little "tougher" and Lillian becoming a little "softer". I liked that Charlie actually had a motive for planting evidence - he felt righteous in his own way. Inspector B saw his reasoning but also saw Charlie needed to learn the error of that reasoning before going into a career in law enforcement. I was reading the Twitter response ahead of the episode and a bunch of people were angry at Inspector B and never disliked him more. Because of that, the entire episode I was expecting him to side with Charlie and abet the planting of evidence! Then when he did the right thing after all, I was baffled why people were mad at Inspector B. Now I guess it's because he "didn't give a toss" about Emily? Or is it because he lectured Emily about the risk to her job...? Both were in character - I don't see why people were irked about him. I also see Emily getting "tougher" (those Middle Class roots showing?) and Lillian getting "softer"! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Feb 17, 2015 20:18:32 GMT
Well this is Ricci's take on the matter: "I think it’s important to note that she isn’t falling for a woman. She’s falling for a person. She’s not turning gay on a dime. She isn’t all of a sudden discovering she’s a lesbian. This woman has opened her eyes to a whole world of possibilities. That’s an important distinction to not cheapen the relationships that she had in the past. She absolutely loved Crabtree. She was absolutely hoodwinked by Leslie Garland. This is a different person at a different stage in her life and a different journey for her." Nice statement, but I just can't buy she "absolutely loved" Crabtree. Her body language and line delivery - and the lines themselves - told me otherwise. But yes - people fall in love with people, not "genders categories". Yes, for me too. I can't really buy that part. Sure she was fond of him (at first) but I never got the impression she was in absolute love with him the way that George was with her. If that were truly the case, Leslie wouldn't have stood a chance. |
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