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Post by carco on Nov 25, 2014 23:57:39 GMT
btw, what's the Appleby and Perkins reference...? Restaurants They were also "Bert and Ernie"  |
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Post by shangas on Nov 25, 2014 23:58:30 GMT
Hahaha!! Yes that too!!
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 0:00:54 GMT
Speaking of bad photoshop, how long does it take Henry to flip through 20 pics? D'oh! And if William took the trouble Murdoch had to go home to have an urgent 'conversation' with Julia. Could you bad photoshop that into the ep? |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 26, 2014 0:23:47 GMT
Don't tell me Lillian Moss invented the vibrator.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 1:41:07 GMT
Don't tell me Lillian Moss invented the vibrator. That would be better than my blow-up doll theory, and it would also interest Emily very much.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 1:48:24 GMT
They were also "Bert and Ernie" LOL! I never knew Bert and Ernie had last names!  I knew Appleby's was a restaurant, but not Perkins. By the way, Tweedledee and Tweedledum are from Through the Looking Glass (1871). Was this book a sensation fast enough for cops to take up the nickname? Wikipedia says nothing about the publishing history. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 1:55:29 GMT
Hey it's hard making people look 20 years younger. That said... Tommy Two Cakes!! Hehehehehe... But attaching their heads to their necks shouldn't be that hard. I have to watch again - was that photograph in color? That would have been painted in 1871, which would have made the picture look odd. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 26, 2014 1:55:38 GMT
I've always found Giles to be just as morally principled as William but there was always an anger behind it rather than William's faith in truth and justice. I'm thinking about how Nigel handled Giles's indignation over CG. It was like there was a red hot poker up his backside. Then during Crime and Punishment he turned his fury at Brax and William into embracing a new truth with just a much zeal. I'm not sure if this was the end-game since S6 but it's possible. I don't think it was the end game given what Paul Aitken said in the Making of... clip. I have to admit to having always liked Giles, more loved to hate him perhaps, but he was a good cop. Just had a bad attitude for anyone that didn't think the way he did. Seems it was all an act unless he'd actually put it out of mind for those 20 years or so. Sorry-forgot to mention that I did see that clip, which is what makes me doubt that this was endgame all along...which makes me wonder the ideas they originally had behind his behavior. Don't get me wrong, I loved how the ep turned out, but that was a nagging detail for me. I think I agree he was a "good cop" who for the most part adhered to the letter of the law, but he was always in contrast to William who was a "good cop" who could distinguish the law from justice, and realize that the two weren't always the same. I guess I'm just disappointed that they portrayed Giles as a hypocrite in the end, but maybe it's more realistic and anti-climactic that way. |
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Post by shangas on Nov 26, 2014 2:04:02 GMT
One thing I loved about this episode. It only happened for a second...
The inspector saying he remembers the photograph because he arrested his wife!!
Can you imagine the conversations at the Station 4 Christmas Party?
"So how did you and Mrs. Brackenreid meet, Inspector?"
"Well Dr. Grace, actually...uh..."
"He arrested me!"
"How romantic!!"
"Oh shut it!"
"Hehehehehe..."
"It was rather thrilling..."
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:04:37 GMT
Sorry-forgot to mention that I did see that clip, which is what makes me doubt that this was endgame all along...which makes me wonder the ideas they originally had behind his behavior. Don't get me wrong, I loved how the ep turned out, but that was a nagging detail for me. I think I agree he was a "good cop" who for the most part adhered to the letter of the law, but he was always in contrast to William who was a "good cop" who could distinguish the law from justice, and realize that the two weren't always the same. I guess I'm just disappointed that they portrayed Giles as a hypocrite in the end, but maybe it's more realistic and anti-climactic that way. I prefer to view him as a tragic figure rather than a hypocrite. I wrote in an earlier comment that his tragedy is the same as Lamb's: he couldn't integrate several moral codes/perspectives. The inconsistency of the interview was just Giles back-peddling when his assumptions about William (based on his own behavior, and apparent disgust with himself) proved wrong. While I don't think this was the end game all along for MM, I wonder if Nigel might have been playing the motive that way or perhaps discussed this with Paul at some point? Giles was just begging for the Javert treatment. I'm not sure if Nigel has played any other gay roles, but if his "deceived lover" is excellent, and it wouldn't surprise me if the script was written around that idea. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:06:40 GMT
One thing I loved about this episode. It only happened for a second... The inspector saying he remembers the photograph because he arrested his wife!! Can you imagine the conversations at the Station 4 Christmas Party? "So how did you and Mrs. Brackenreid meet, Inspector?" "Well Dr. Grace, actually...uh..." "He arrested me!" "How romantic!!" "Oh shut it!" "Hehehehehe..." "It was rather thrilling..." And this is why I can't wait for MM to get it's Historic Memory on and remember that the Temperance Movement merged with the Suffragette Movement...  If Julia is a pistol, Margaret was a firecracker! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 26, 2014 2:10:44 GMT
OK here I am. I really enjoyed this episode. It was a real thriller. All the nasty businesses of the past being dug up again!! Ooohh!! Very exciting. I felt it was a very cathartic episode. Everyone getting things off their chests. Hodge. Giles. Murdoch. Etc etc. Now, this is just me being me, and me being a pedantic history buff, but there's a HUGE anachronism in this episode. The photograph of Giles, Hodge, Brackenried, Stockton, et. al. There's something in that photograph which isn't correct. Crabtree says that the photograph was taken in "May, 1881". All the constables are wearing period uniforms and custodian helmets. Which is correct. All the constables have whistle-chains on their breast-pockets like the present batch of constables (Higgins, C'tree, Jackson etc). ...Whistles were not officially issued to the police until 1884. And even then, it started in London in 1884. It would've been a year or so before they would've been issued to officers in other parts of the Empire. Before then, officers carried rattles. Someone in the props department didn't do their research. The real problem with the photo is it looked badly photoshopped. But I seem to be the only one who felt this way. No, I noticed it as well, I just decided to let it go. Plus, I was too busy trying to get a good look at Brax. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:10:56 GMT
OMG! That's almost as bad as Snacky's blow up doll idea!  Hey, but it's historically accurate. www.alternet.org/story/154489/the_strange,_fascinating_history_of_the_vibrator Self-treatment for "hysteria" circa 1900s, so doctors don't have to heroically intervene in lady's parts... |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:16:09 GMT
...Whistles were not officially issued to the police until 1884. And even then, it started in London in 1884. It would've been a year or so before they would've been issued to officers in other parts of the Empire. Before then, officers carried rattles. Are you sure Canada was doing the same as London, though?  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 26, 2014 2:16:22 GMT
OMG! That's almost as bad as Snacky's blow up doll idea! And Ilove how William just sits there watching it. William, you perv!  Also, I did love that little moment from Invention Convention and am glad to see that they brought it back! |
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