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Post by snacky on Mar 18, 2015 7:37:12 GMT
The CBC is replaying this episode tonight and I just watched it. Every time I see it, I am amazed at how powerful it is. This has to be my favourite episode....even though I knew what happened, I was still on the edge of my seat during the interviews scenes between Murdoch and Giles. Cheers This was the episode I wanted to lure my housemate in with. Unfortunately he saw Glory Days first. I'm still trying to explain that one to him.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 18, 2015 10:24:59 GMT
The CBC is replaying this episode tonight and I just watched it. Every time I see it, I am amazed at how powerful it is. This has to be my favourite episode....even though I knew what happened, I was still on the edge of my seat during the interviews scenes between Murdoch and Giles. Cheers This was the episode I wanted to lure my housemate in with. Unfortunately he saw Glory Days first. I'm still trying to explain that one to him. As awesome as this ep is, I don't think it's one you draw people in with-you really need the backstories for the ep to have its full-effect. |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 28, 2015 21:55:53 GMT
I'm rewatching the season in anticipation of Monday night. MM has been on my mind even more than usual after the events of this week.
In my post to PM I said there had been no inventions this season (I didn't know about the taser yet  ). Anyhow, in rewatching WLB I have discovered that to be incorrect. William invented his slide thingy to compare physical measurements based on the Bertillon System that was widely used by law enforcement after it was invented in 1879. The premise was that physical characteristics, particularly head and facial measurements were unique to each individual. This required actual people to be measured. William took the theory one step further by finding a way to use Bertillon measurement theory on 2D images rather than on 3D people. Given that we credit William for innovations on existing gadgets and ideas, this "Bertillon Picture Slide" must qualify. The Bertillon System began to fall out of favour in after 1903 when 2 prisoners at Jolliet prison, both with the name William West were found to have almost identical Bertillon measurements and had very similar physical appearances. It was only their fingerprints that consistently distinguished them. As a result, fingerprinting became the 'gold standard' for identification. However, with the advance of computer software, the Bertillon System has evolved into what we now know as facial recognition.
I have to admit that I missed this because I classified the slide as something of a stereoscope. I did not pick up on the reference to Bertillon principles until today...probably my 6th or 7th viewing of this episode...then a little research. Ahhh, a perfect Murdoch day!
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Post by snacky on Mar 28, 2015 22:01:27 GMT
I'm rewatching the season in anticipation of Monday night. MM has been on my mind even more than usual after the events of this week.
In my post to PM I said there had been no inventions this season (I didn't know about the taser yet ). Anyhow, in rewatching WLB I have discovered that to be incorrect. William invented his slide thingy to compare physical measurements based on the Bertillon System that was widely used by law enforcement after it was invented in 1879. The premise was that physical characteristics, particularly head and facial measurements were unique to each individual. This required actual people to be measured. William took the theory one step further by finding a way to use Bertillon measurement theory on 2D images rather than on 3D people. Given that we credit William for innovations on existing gadgets and ideas, this "Bertillon Picture Slide" must qualify. The Bertillon System began to fall out of favour in after 1903 when 2 prisoners at Jolliet prison, both with the name William West were found to have almost identical Bertillon measurements and had very similar physical appearances. It was only their fingerprints that consistently distinguished them. As a result, fingerprinting became the 'gold standard' for identification. However, with the advance of computer software, the Bertillon System has evolved into what we now know as facial recognition.
I have to admit that I missed this because I classified the slide as something of a stereoscope. I did not pick up on the reference to Bertillon principles until today...probably my 6th or 7th viewing of this episode...then a little research. Ahhh, a perfect Murdoch day! I did some reading on this a while back, and there were actually several competitors for the Bertillon System. Is it a coincidence that the best ep of the season also had the best invention, and the one most related to the history of forensics?  |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 28, 2015 22:04:29 GMT
I'm rewatching the season in anticipation of Monday night. MM has been on my mind even more than usual after the events of this week.
In my post to PM I said there had been no inventions this season (I didn't know about the taser yet ). Anyhow, in rewatching WLB I have discovered that to be incorrect. William invented his slide thingy to compare physical measurements based on the Bertillon System that was widely used by law enforcement after it was invented in 1879. The premise was that physical characteristics, particularly head and facial measurements were unique to each individual. This required actual people to be measured. William took the theory one step further by finding a way to use Bertillon measurement theory on 2D images rather than on 3D people. Given that we credit William for innovations on existing gadgets and ideas, this "Bertillon Picture Slide" must qualify. The Bertillon System began to fall out of favour in after 1903 when 2 prisoners at Jolliet prison, both with the name William West were found to have almost identical Bertillon measurements and had very similar physical appearances. It was only their fingerprints that consistently distinguished them. As a result, fingerprinting became the 'gold standard' for identification. However, with the advance of computer software, the Bertillon System has evolved into what we now know as facial recognition.
I have to admit that I missed this because I classified the slide as something of a stereoscope. I did not pick up on the reference to Bertillon principles until today...probably my 6th or 7th viewing of this episode...then a little research. Ahhh, a perfect Murdoch day! I did some reading on this a while back, and there were actually several competitors for the Bertillon System. Is it a coincidence that the best ep of the season also had the best invention, and the one most related to the history of forensics? Nope. It 's another notch in the column for Best Episode of the Series. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 28, 2015 22:20:50 GMT
I'm rewatching the season in anticipation of Monday night. MM has been on my mind even more than usual after the events of this week.
In my post to PM I said there had been no inventions this season (I didn't know about the taser yet ). Anyhow, in rewatching WLB I have discovered that to be incorrect. William invented his slide thingy to compare physical measurements based on the Bertillon System that was widely used by law enforcement after it was invented in 1879. The premise was that physical characteristics, particularly head and facial measurements were unique to each individual. This required actual people to be measured. William took the theory one step further by finding a way to use Bertillon measurement theory on 2D images rather than on 3D people. Given that we credit William for innovations on existing gadgets and ideas, this "Bertillon Picture Slide" must qualify. The Bertillon System began to fall out of favour in after 1903 when 2 prisoners at Jolliet prison, both with the name William West were found to have almost identical Bertillon measurements and had very similar physical appearances. It was only their fingerprints that consistently distinguished them. As a result, fingerprinting became the 'gold standard' for identification. However, with the advance of computer software, the Bertillon System has evolved into what we now know as facial recognition.
I have to admit that I missed this because I classified the slide as something of a stereoscope. I did not pick up on the reference to Bertillon principles until today...probably my 6th or 7th viewing of this episode...then a little research. Ahhh, a perfect Murdoch day! This is one of the episodes I keep going back to. I think it will be a long time before we have another as good as this. I didn't think of the photo slide as being an invention at the time as it wasn't based on science but you're right it is. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 1, 2015 11:58:55 GMT
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet or not, but there's a slight issue with the timeline of this ep. So all of that stuff goes down in '81, right? Well...SH4 wasn't established until '89...as evidenced by numerous shots of the front of it in earlier seasons. |
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Post by lovemondays on Apr 1, 2015 13:50:35 GMT
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet or not, but there's a slight issue with the timeline of this ep. So all of that stuff goes down in '81, right? Well...SH4 wasn't established until '89...as evidenced by numerous shots of the front of it in earlier seasons. Shangas picked up on that right away. Such is the problem when you return to comment on a thread that has 25 pages! Consensus is it's a large plot hole. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 1, 2015 14:39:02 GMT
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet or not, but there's a slight issue with the timeline of this ep. So all of that stuff goes down in '81, right? Well...SH4 wasn't established until '89...as evidenced by numerous shots of the front of it in earlier seasons. Shangas picked up on that right away. Such is the problem when you return to comment on a thread that has 25 pages! Consensus is it's a large plot hole. Haha. I wonder what backstory they're going to go with for Brax in that book? I gather their newer version...but maybe not. |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 7, 2016 12:17:11 GMT
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Post by mrsbrisby on Jan 7, 2016 14:18:31 GMT
Asolutely His a wonderful actor and his Chief Constable was always a challenge for Murdoch. I hope they find a way to bring him back. |
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). Anyhow, in rewatching WLB I have discovered that to be incorrect. William invented his slide thingy to compare physical measurements based on the Bertillon System that was widely used by law enforcement after it was invented in 1879. The premise was that physical characteristics, particularly head and facial measurements were unique to each individual. This required actual people to be measured. William took the theory one step further by finding a way to use Bertillon measurement theory on 2D images rather than on 3D people. Given that we credit William for innovations on existing gadgets and ideas, this "Bertillon Picture Slide" must qualify. The Bertillon System began to fall out of favour in after 1903 when 2 prisoners at Jolliet prison, both with the name William West were found to have almost identical Bertillon measurements and had very similar physical appearances. It was only their fingerprints that consistently distinguished them. As a result, fingerprinting became the 'gold standard' for identification. However, with the advance of computer software, the Bertillon System has evolved into what we now know as facial recognition.
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