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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:17:34 GMT
OMG! That's almost as bad as Snacky's blow up doll idea!  And Ilove how William just sits there watching it. William, you perv!  Also, I did love that little moment from Invention Convention and am glad to see that they brought it back! Hey, he is totally thinking of getting Julia one for Christmas!  Wait did William invent that chair?  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:20:53 GMT
Everyone dislikes Stockton so he will probably be a red herring. I think perhaps Giles contributed in some way, and that guilt made him super righteous later. *slow clap* *bows* Hey, I know how the angst plots go down! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:32:15 GMT
Sacrificing Hodge did make me sad, but it didn't gut me as if George were to get busted for doing something similar for William. Then I'd be curled in the fetal position on the floor crying real tears. No joke. Dear MM writers, if you do read this, DO NOT use this suggestion. Kthankxbai! Oh man. That would break me. I don't think the writers can play George that way because they have never set him up as a "moral straight man". If he has a tragedy, it's going to be a sad puppy sort of tragedy, not epic Greek tragedy. We might see this card being played for Henry, though - especially if the Powers That Be decide to up the visibility of his character. Henry is in a weird situation: he's funny, but he's not type cast into the comic relief sidekick role like George. He's mostly a blank slate like Emily. So if the writers decided to give him a bigger role, and they want to make him more emotionally sympathetic fast, they could have him make some big sacrifice for George. The other serious "partnership" is William/Julia. I guess Julia already did already sacrifice to spare William (by hiding the Gillies letter). Anyway she is not "comic relief", so it's more likely that she would be party to a moral dilemma situation. |
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Post by shangas on Nov 26, 2014 2:33:32 GMT
...Whistles were not officially issued to the police until 1884. And even then, it started in London in 1884. It would've been a year or so before they would've been issued to officers in other parts of the Empire. Before then, officers carried rattles. Are you sure Canada was doing the same as London, though?  Constables were issued with Metropolitan police whistles. Not invented until 1883 in Birmingham, England. Not issued until 1884. I see no reason why the Toronto constabulary wouldn't follow what the London constabulary did at the same time. They copied everything else. Ranks. Uniforms. Etc. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:35:03 GMT
Are you sure Canada was doing the same as London, though? Constables were issued with Metropolitan police whistles. Not invented until 1883 in Birmingham, England. Not issued until 1884. I see no reason why the Toronto constabulary wouldn't follow what the London constabulary did at the same time. They copied everything else. Ranks. Uniforms. Etc. No possibility of London taking on a successful Canadian practice...?  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:48:44 GMT
I think that this episode provided a way for William to confess what he had done without risking anything. As has been said, only Brax, Giles, and William knew and Stockton is in la-la-land and anything he said would be but down to the ravings of a senile old man. Now that he as said it out loud, to use a phrase, it no longer has the power over him that a secret has. That was my first thought as well: that this episode unburdens William of his secret. But it really doesn't. It just extends the circle of who knows the secret - but it's still a secret, and what William did is still at odds with the law. The difference between William and Giles is that William has successfully integrated what he did with his conscience. Giles never reconciled what he did with his own conscience: thus he regarded himself as a hypocrite, and he assumed William was living under that burden, too. That's why he assumed he would be able to deflect William's questions by invoking that secret. Instead, William showed him that he had made peace with himself, and this forced Giles to "de-compartmentalize" - the Righteous Man finally collided with the Loyal Man. This collision may have afforded Giles some relief, but I don't think this episode offered William any. Nothing changed for William. His secret is still a secret. I don't think it's a "terrible" burden, because I do think William has made it right with his conscience, and perhaps Julia has helped him smooth out the psychological edges as well. But it probably is still a burden in the sense that it's information that could be used against him some day, just as as the revelation of the secret body was used against Hodge and Giles. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 26, 2014 2:48:45 GMT
OMG! That's almost as bad as Snacky's blow up doll idea! Hey, but it's historically accurate. www.alternet.org/story/154489/the_strange,_fascinating_history_of_the_vibrator Self-treatment for "hysteria" circa 1900s, so doctors don't have to heroically intervene in lady's parts... Wow that just makes the whole thing even funnier! |
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Post by carco on Nov 26, 2014 2:49:58 GMT
I don't think it was the end game given what Paul Aitken said in the Making of... clip. I have to admit to having always liked Giles, more loved to hate him perhaps, but he was a good cop. Just had a bad attitude for anyone that didn't think the way he did. Seems it was all an act unless he'd actually put it out of mind for those 20 years or so. Sorry-forgot to mention that I did see that clip, which is what makes me doubt that this was endgame all along...which makes me wonder the ideas they originally had behind his behavior. Don't get me wrong, I loved how the ep turned out, but that was a nagging detail for me. I think I agree he was a "good cop" who for the most part adhered to the letter of the law, but he was always in contrast to William who was a "good cop" who could distinguish the law from justice, and realize that the two weren't always the same. I guess I'm just disappointed that they portrayed Giles as a hypocrite in the end, but maybe it's more realistic and anti-climactic that way. I admit that I haven't seen the Making of...clip yet, but on pg 12 of this thread I posted a link to this week's "TV, eh?" interview with Paul Aitken which, I thought, was a particularly interesting one it was a bottle episode! Answers some questions - but doesn't address why Julia wasn't in the "bottle". Unless she's more expensive than all the others??? Hah, oh were that true!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:50:18 GMT
Hey, but it's historically accurate. www.alternet.org/story/154489/the_strange,_fascinating_history_of_the_vibrator Self-treatment for "hysteria" circa 1900s, so doctors don't have to heroically intervene in lady's parts... Wow that just makes the whole thing even funnier! What did I say about William buying one for Julia for Christmas? He's building her one! |
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Post by shangas on Nov 26, 2014 2:53:11 GMT
Constables were issued with Metropolitan police whistles. Not invented until 1883 in Birmingham, England. Not issued until 1884. I see no reason why the Toronto constabulary wouldn't follow what the London constabulary did at the same time. They copied everything else. Ranks. Uniforms. Etc. No possibility of London taking on a successful Canadian practice...? What's this!? A colonial telling his imperial master how it's done!? Absolute balderdash!! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 26, 2014 2:55:09 GMT
Sorry-forgot to mention that I did see that clip, which is what makes me doubt that this was endgame all along...which makes me wonder the ideas they originally had behind his behavior. Don't get me wrong, I loved how the ep turned out, but that was a nagging detail for me. I think I agree he was a "good cop" who for the most part adhered to the letter of the law, but he was always in contrast to William who was a "good cop" who could distinguish the law from justice, and realize that the two weren't always the same. I guess I'm just disappointed that they portrayed Giles as a hypocrite in the end, but maybe it's more realistic and anti-climactic that way. I admit that I haven't seen the Making of...clip yet, but on pg 12 of this thread I posted a link to this week's "TV, eh?" interview with Paul Aitken which, I thought, was a particularly interesting one it was a bottle episode! Answers some questions - but doesn't address why Julia wasn't in the "bottle". Unless she's more expensive than all the others??? Hah, oh were that true! Yeah, I think I posted it somewhere around page 8/9, and it was indeed enlightening and very interesting. I loved the ep, don't get me wrong. But, I'm getting more and more concerned for Julia's character. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:56:05 GMT
I admit that I haven't seen the Making of...clip yet, but on pg 12 of this thread I posted a link to this week's "TV, eh?" interview with Paul Aitken which, I thought, was a particularly interesting one it was a bottle episode! Answers some questions - but doesn't address why Julia wasn't in the "bottle". Unless she's more expensive than all the others??? Hah, oh were that true! It was mentioned earlier that she could have been filming Heartland that week. But you actually bring up a good point: after 8 years the lead characters on MM are hopefully compensated in line with the show's success. If actor's are paid by the episode, Helene's absence might save some money. I can only imagine what a squeeze this year was: CBC didn't raise the budget, but each year everyone would want raises in line with their experience and the show's success. Plus the fans are expecting a high level of production quality now as well. This "bottle" episode showed that claustrophobia can actually heighten the drama. Perhaps the writers should consider utilizing the bottle a little more often...? |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 26, 2014 2:56:09 GMT
Sorry-forgot to mention that I did see that clip, which is what makes me doubt that this was endgame all along...which makes me wonder the ideas they originally had behind his behavior. Don't get me wrong, I loved how the ep turned out, but that was a nagging detail for me. I think I agree he was a "good cop" who for the most part adhered to the letter of the law, but he was always in contrast to William who was a "good cop" who could distinguish the law from justice, and realize that the two weren't always the same. I guess I'm just disappointed that they portrayed Giles as a hypocrite in the end, but maybe it's more realistic and anti-climactic that way. I admit that I haven't seen the Making of...clip yet, but on pg 12 of this thread I posted a link to this week's "TV, eh?" interview with Paul Aitken which, I thought, was a particularly interesting one it was a bottle episode! Answers some questions - but doesn't address why Julia wasn't in the "bottle". Unless she's more expensive than all the others??? Hah, oh were that true! Explains the terrible, terrible photoshop job |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:56:36 GMT
No possibility of London taking on a successful Canadian practice...? What's this!? A colonial telling his imperial master how it's done!? Absolute balderdash!! lol! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 2:59:23 GMT
I admit that I haven't seen the Making of...clip yet, but on pg 12 of this thread I posted a link to this week's "TV, eh?" interview with Paul Aitken which, I thought, was a particularly interesting one it was a bottle episode! Answers some questions - but doesn't address why Julia wasn't in the "bottle". Unless she's more expensive than all the others??? Hah, oh were that true! Explains the terrible, terrible photoshop job The production team was running so low on funds at this point that they could not afford a paid employee to put together picture, so they asked the kids on Napkin Man to make it as a project. Mystery solved. |
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