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Post by carco on Nov 27, 2014 23:53:39 GMT
William is now in the position of being an Internal Affairs Officer without the separations and protections of being in a modern independent department. In The Great Wall, William investigated a separate Station House. He faced great hostility just for questioning fellow constables. Even when he solved the case and it was clear that the constable he accused was a rapist as well as a murderer, there was still great suspicion of William and some general grudge aimed at Station House 4. William complained about how he had struggled to fit in to the constabulary and regarded it as his family - and all that had been undermined because he had become their interrogator. Chief Inspector Stockton - perhaps without ill-will - suggested William take up a post in Winnipeg. It's been suggested that Station House 4 maintained a rivalry with Station House 5 ever since. Things are even worse in What Lies Buried. William's investigation has caused a bureaucratic shake up. There may be other "covering" homosexuals in the high administration who resent how William outed Giles and got him thrown in jail when he wasn't even the murderer. This whole thing came about because Giles was going to be framed! What is even worse is the ramifications for William's own Station House 4. Sure William has worked there for years, and everyone knows him as an earnest, upright man - who gets on their case a lot, makes them do the digging, and has an annoying habit of correcting their grammar. William may be their family, but he is the quirky uncle they put up with. Hodge, on the other hand is Grandpa. He's been there longer than William. He's been fetching everyone's tea and newspapers, and running everyone's errands. He's always there with a friendly face to greet them at the start and end of every day. He gossips with them as he checks things in and out of the log book. He probably has a drink or two at the pub. Now William, in his "zeal for the truth", is going to send Grandpa to jail - or at the very least put him through a trial. Hodge will lose his pension. If he's married, that will affect his wife, too. Unlike The Great Wall constable-perp, Hodge doesn't deserve this. He was trying to stop a crime in progress (blackmail) - and Giles got him in deeper with the need to cover up the homosexual context of it all. Hodge was standing up for his brother, as brothers are supposed to do. So how are the constables at Station House 4 supposed to look at William now? He just threw Grandpa under the bus. He might turn on them if they do anything wrong: and basically everyone does a little something illegal to get by. Even William accepted pies without thinking of those as "gifts". The writers will probably decide just to drop it after this episode, but I hope they don't. After the pity party William threw himself in The Great Wall, I think it's only logical that there should be much greater consequences for William sending one of his own Station House compadres to jail. You've brought up a lot of good points and food for thought (as always!)..... I always thought the rivalry between Station Houses 4 and 5 existed long before William's investigation of the murder of a fellow policeman. I agree that Hodge is more beloved by the officers at SH 4 than William is and yes, William's investigation is going to result in the end of Hodge's career as a police officer. I wonder if they had civilians working in the station houses at that time? I'm hoping they can find a way to have him return somehow. I read tons of pages of posts last night (I hear you Shangas!!!!) and seem to recall someone mentioning he could maybe own a pub or something....that would work, too! He could buy (or be bartender) of a pub that all the boys from Station House start to go to (didn't SH 5 have one of those?) I don't recall that there is one for our constables right now. There may well be underlying ramifications from Giles's secret but if there is, I doubt we'll see much of it for a while- maybe more near the end of the season if at all? Given their audience (families, teens and lovely ladies who don't like awful language and terrible violence) they likely won't want to feed viewers a steady diet of homosexuality-bias-in-up-tight-dour-protestant 1902 Toronto. I think the writers might like to pursue it more, particularly given the huge positive response they've had in FB and Twitter to the episode but they have to be careful of how dark they think they can go (again) before the families turn away. It's tough---a fine line. William didn't send one of the SH compadres to jail---he did that himself. Once again William investigated and uncovered the awful truth. I guess the question is whether or not letting Hodges secret stay a secret and thereby avoiding his being sent to jail would be justice vs the law (as was in the case of Constance Gardner). But, yes, you're right....the constables won't see it that way at first-if ever. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 28, 2014 0:06:03 GMT
He could buy (or be bartender) of a pub that all the boys from Station House start to go to (didn't SH 5 have one of those?) I don't recall that there is one for our constables right now. There may well be underlying ramifications from Giles's secret but if there is, I doubt we'll see much of it for a while- maybe more near the end of the season if at all? William didn't send one of the SH compadres to jail---he did that himself. Once again William investigated and uncovered the awful truth. I guess the question is whether or not letting Hodges secret stay a secret and thereby avoiding his being sent to jail would be justice vs the law (as was in the case of Constance Gardner). But, yes, you're right....the constables won't see it that way at first-if ever. Paul Aitken suggested Hodge could run a bar in the TV-Eh article. But that wouldn't give Hodge back his pension, and it would just serve to remind the constables that drank there of what had happened. As the final "Winnipeg" scene in The Great Wall demonstrated, it doesn't matter if William was right or if Hodge was guilty: what matters is William investigated inside "the family", and thus he can never really be trusted. If there were ramifications in William's investigation of "cousins" at Station House 5, the consequences should be exponential when he investigated "brothers" and put away "grandpa" at *his own* Station House 4. I just don't see how that can be dropped. But of course it probably will be dropped since it's a "family show" and it was just a "bottle episode".  Regarding Giles: you're right, the scenario I've pointed out is not something that could be developed on the show. But it would make some interesting fanfic. Takers? *looks around*  |
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Post by carco on Nov 28, 2014 0:28:30 GMT
He could buy (or be bartender) of a pub that all the boys from Station House start to go to (didn't SH 5 have one of those?) I don't recall that there is one for our constables right now. There may well be underlying ramifications from Giles's secret but if there is, I doubt we'll see much of it for a while- maybe more near the end of the season if at all? William didn't send one of the SH compadres to jail---he did that himself. Once again William investigated and uncovered the awful truth. I guess the question is whether or not letting Hodges secret stay a secret and thereby avoiding his being sent to jail would be justice vs the law (as was in the case of Constance Gardner). But, yes, you're right....the constables won't see it that way at first-if ever. Paul Aitken suggested Hodge could run a bar in the TV-Eh article. But that wouldn't give Hodge back his pension, and it would just serve to remind the constables that drank there of what had happened. As the final "Winnipeg" scene in The Great Wall demonstrated, it doesn't matter if William was right or if Hodge was guilty: what matters is William investigated inside "the family", and thus he can never really be trusted. If there were ramifications in William's investigation of "cousins" at Station House 5, the consequences should be exponential when he investigated "brothers" and put away "grandpa" at *his own* Station House 4. I just don't see how that can be dropped. But of course it probably will be dropped since it's a "family show" and it was just a "bottle episode". Regarding Giles: you're right, the scenario I've pointed out is not something that could be developed on the show. But it would make some interesting fanfic. Takers? *looks around* I agree with you in that the ramifications of William's involvement in Hodge's being found guilty and whatever price he pays for his actions, may well be a thread throughout the coming episodes. So yes, who's good at "dark" fanfic? We need another "Secret Life of...." tale.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 28, 2014 0:34:13 GMT
I agree with you in that the ramifications of William's involvement in Hodge's being found guilty and whatever price he pays for his actions, may well be a thread throughout the coming episodes. So yes, who's good at "dark" fanfic? We need another "Secret Life of...." tale. The people so inclined have too much going on already - we need more writers of "dark" fanfic, gosh-darn it.  |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 28, 2014 1:22:28 GMT
I agree with you in that the ramifications of William's involvement in Hodge's being found guilty and whatever price he pays for his actions, may well be a thread throughout the coming episodes. So yes, who's good at "dark" fanfic? We need another "Secret Life of...." tale. The people so inclined have too much going on already - we need more writers of "dark" fanfic, gosh-darn it. I'd love to be able to write but ideas always come to me at inopportune moments when I can't get them down and then when I can the idea either won't come back or won't come back in it's entirety. I've given up hope of ever getting anything down on 'paper'. |
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Post by monty151 on Nov 28, 2014 7:18:35 GMT
What if Hodge does not go to jail. He could have a good defence lawyer who gets him off. He can't go back to the constabulary, he is retired. So gets his pension. William could be a witness for the defence saying Hodge killed him in self defence. Does everyone know the real reason he killed him or only a few. If only a few then nothing to stop Hodge saying he acted in self defence. Burying the body might take a bit of explaining.
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Post by snacky on Nov 28, 2014 7:30:42 GMT
The people so inclined have too much going on already - we need more writers of "dark" fanfic, gosh-darn it. I'd love to be able to write but ideas always come to me at inopportune moments when I can't get them down and then when I can the idea either won't come back or won't come back in it's entirety. I've given up hope of ever getting anything down on 'paper'. Oooh, but I can see you're tempted! Come on over to the dark side! </Darth Vader> |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 28, 2014 7:46:14 GMT
I'd love to be able to write but ideas always come to me at inopportune moments when I can't get them down and then when I can the idea either won't come back or won't come back in it's entirety. I've given up hope of ever getting anything down on 'paper'. Oooh, but I can see you're tempted! Come on over to the dark side! </Darth Vader> Come to the dark side...we have cookies! If I get ideas while I'm out or otherwise busy, I just make note of them in my phone and revisit them later. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 28, 2014 7:51:40 GMT
What if Hodge does not go to jail. He could have a good defence lawyer who gets him off. He can't go back to the constabulary, he is retired. So gets his pension. William could be a witness for the defence saying Hodge killed him in self defence. Does everyone know the real reason he killed him or only a few. If only a few then nothing to stop Hodge saying he acted in self defence. Burying the body might take a bit of explaining. It's possible-we only know he was going to be charged with manslaughter-we don't know that he was convicted. Maybe he gets off...anything's possible, I guess. But I doubt we'll ever know. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 28, 2014 8:28:12 GMT
What if Hodge does not go to jail. He could have a good defence lawyer who gets him off. He can't go back to the constabulary, he is retired. So gets his pension. William could be a witness for the defence saying Hodge killed him in self defence. Does everyone know the real reason he killed him or only a few. If only a few then nothing to stop Hodge saying he acted in self defence. Burying the body might take a bit of explaining. Hodge has still been fired even if he hasn't gone to jail - I think he loses his pension no matter what. But I'd like further enlightenment on that point. The real issue is burying the body and covering up the murder. The victim was a fellow police officer who might have had friends and family who missed him. Covering up a murder is a crime in itself. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 28, 2014 8:32:55 GMT
What if Hodge does not go to jail. He could have a good defence lawyer who gets him off. He can't go back to the constabulary, he is retired. So gets his pension. William could be a witness for the defence saying Hodge killed him in self defence. Does everyone know the real reason he killed him or only a few. If only a few then nothing to stop Hodge saying he acted in self defence. Burying the body might take a bit of explaining. It's possible-we only know he was going to be charged with manslaughter-we don't know that he was convicted. Maybe he gets off...anything's possible, I guess. But I doubt we'll ever know. I have a feeling we will see him in the pub. He will probably be merry, like nothing happened. The little matter of the pension and an ignominious end to a lifetime of service will never come up again. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 28, 2014 10:06:51 GMT
It's possible-we only know he was going to be charged with manslaughter-we don't know that he was convicted. Maybe he gets off...anything's possible, I guess. But I doubt we'll ever know. I have a feeling we will see him in the pub. He will probably be merry, like nothing happened. The little matter of the pension and an ignominious end to a lifetime of service will never come up again. And maybe William makes sure he gets off on a self-defense plea, and does get to keep his pension. That's his form penance for being a relentless truth seeker this time around. Yes, William could have let Giles take the whole blame, but I think that would have only gutted Hodge more and he would have confessed to murder to protect Giles-maybe how it went down was better. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 28, 2014 10:09:40 GMT
What if Hodge does not go to jail. He could have a good defence lawyer who gets him off. He can't go back to the constabulary, he is retired. So gets his pension. William could be a witness for the defence saying Hodge killed him in self defence. Does everyone know the real reason he killed him or only a few. If only a few then nothing to stop Hodge saying he acted in self defence. Burying the body might take a bit of explaining. Hodge has still been fired even if he hasn't gone to jail - I think he loses his pension no matter what. But I'd like further enlightenment on that point. The real issue is burying the body and covering up the murder. The victim was a fellow police officer who might have had friends and family who missed him. Covering up a murder is a crime in itself. No one noticed he was missing because he had no friends and family. Not saying that makes him okay to kill, but no one will be arguing for a stringent sentence. I have a feeling the boys of SH4-including William will argue for leniency for Hodge. Maybe in the end, knowing what he did, maybe even they have Hodge resign before he's charged so that he does keep his pension, etc. They still do this in the military. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 28, 2014 18:14:01 GMT
The people so inclined have too much going on already - we need more writers of "dark" fanfic, gosh-darn it. I'd love to be able to write but ideas always come to me at inopportune moments when I can't get them down and then when I can the idea either won't come back or won't come back in it's entirety. I've given up hope of ever getting anything down on 'paper'. Tape recorder, or I guess, a digital one? And then when you have time all the thoughts are still there. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 28, 2014 18:42:59 GMT
I have a feeling we will see him in the pub. He will probably be merry, like nothing happened. The little matter of the pension and an ignominious end to a lifetime of service will never come up again. And maybe William makes sure he gets off on a self-defense plea, and does get to keep his pension. That's his form penance for being a relentless truth seeker this time around. Yes, William could have let Giles take the whole blame, but I think that would have only gutted Hodge more and he would have confessed to murder to protect Giles-maybe how it went down was better. I think the firing (and loss of pension) would be for the cover up. Even if Giles persuaded Hodge to do it, and Hodge did it out of loyalty, it's still a crime in itself. It's also now a high profile case with an example they can't afford to set, re: letting higher ups get away with stuff, police corruption covering up their own crimes, etc. In the real world - no pension. In Murdoch land - maybe. |
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