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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 25, 2014 2:26:26 GMT
Perhaps this was where Helene did the Heartland ep? I think so, that would explain the "Julia light" episodes. I didn't realize she would be reprising her role on Heartland until I saw some promo-pics. And then I was liek "ohhhh that explains it" |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Nov 25, 2014 2:36:00 GMT
Amazing and intense episode. It could have been a stage play. Looks like Helene had some time off but there was just no place for her in the story line. Tommy Two Cakes? No Julia in any capacity? This does not bode well for my concerns...she's supposed to be a principal. Yes there is info on Brackenreid's history. It us going on my timeline, B, never fear. I don't see why Julia's absence should be considered significant. There have been lots of episodes in which she doesn't appear and IMO her presence in this episode would have been a distraction. I agree that this was well written and well acted. I thought that Giles and Murdoch behaved in ways that were true to their characters and it was a very affecting episode. One of the things I noticed was they moved around the set in a new and interesting way. Will wait til Tuesday at noon EST to make further comments. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 2:39:10 GMT
No Julia in any capacity? This does not bode well for my concerns...she's supposed to be a principal. Julia has never been treated as a principle by the writers. They want her to remain a roughly equivalent member of an ensemble cast which are treated like permatemps or piece-workers. It's reasonable for the actors to use the freedom this gives them. Why pay the cow a retainer or a salary when you can get the milk for free? |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 2:44:07 GMT
No Julia in any capacity? This does not bode well for my concerns...she's supposed to be a principal. Yes there is info on Brackenreid's history. It us going on my timeline, B, never fear. I don't see why Julia's absence should be considered significant. There have been lots of episodes in which she doesn't appear and IMO her presence in this episode would have been a distraction. I agree that this was well written and well acted. I thought that Giles and Murdoch behaved in ways that were true to their characters and it was a very affecting episode. One of the things I noticed was they moved around the set in a new and interesting way. Will wait til Tuesday at noon EST to make further comments. It's not that there wasn't any shippiness that concerns me, it's the marginalization of a once strong female character to fluff when she does appear-which is what Julia is quickly becoming, IMO. It's like the writers, who can only handle one woman on the show apparently, are now developing Emily's character (long neglected) at the expense of Julia's. It's not a good sign. Because, god forbid that there be two strong women on the show. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 2:50:57 GMT
No Julia in any capacity? This does not bode well for my concerns...she's supposed to be a principal. Julia has never been treated as a principle by the writers. They want her to remain a roughly equivalent member of an ensemble cast which are treated like permatemps or piece-workers. It's reasonable for the actors to use the freedom this gives them. Why pay the cow a retainer or a salary when you can get the milk for free? I'm going to disagree-because she was once more vital and central than Higgins, Jackson, Stockton, Giles, Perkins, etc. While not THE lead, she used to be one of the core four: Brackenreid, Murdoch, Crabtree, and Ogden. Now, she's just William's arm candy, and that kinda pisses me off. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Nov 25, 2014 2:50:43 GMT
Yes there is info on Brackenreid's history. It us going on my timeline, B, never fear. I don't see why Julia's absence should be considered significant. There have been lots of episodes in which she doesn't appear and IMO her presence in this episode would have been a distraction. I agree that this was well written and well acted. I thought that Giles and Murdoch behaved in ways that were true to their characters and it was a very affecting episode. One of the things I noticed was they moved around the set in a new and interesting way. Will wait til Tuesday at noon EST to make further comments. It's not that there wasn't any shippiness that concerns me, it's the marginalization of a once strong female character to fluff when she does appear-which is what Julia is quickly becoming, IMO. It's like the writers, who can only handle one woman on the show apparently, are now developing Emily's character (long neglected) at the expense of Julia's. It's not a good sign. Because, god forbid that there be two strong women on the show. While I understand some of your concern I doubt that the writers will marginalize Julia, after all she is standing for parliament and with the fan interest in the suffrage issue, I cannot imagine how Julia's presence will be diminished. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 25, 2014 2:57:21 GMT
Yes there is info on Brackenreid's history. It us going on my timeline, B, never fear. I don't see why Julia's absence should be considered significant. There have been lots of episodes in which she doesn't appear and IMO her presence in this episode would have been a distraction. I agree that this was well written and well acted. I thought that Giles and Murdoch behaved in ways that were true to their characters and it was a very affecting episode. One of the things I noticed was they moved around the set in a new and interesting way. Will wait til Tuesday at noon EST to make further comments. It's not that there wasn't any shippiness that concerns me, it's the marginalization of a once strong female character to fluff when she does appear-which is what Julia is quickly becoming, IMO. It's like the writers, who can only handle one woman on the show apparently, are now developing Emily's character (long neglected) at the expense of Julia's. It's not a good sign. Because, god forbid that there be two strong women on the show. I think you're reading too much into Julia not being in the episode. It would have been nothing more than a) awkward because the entire episode takes place inside SH4, b) there is no need for her profiling services and c) gratuitous fan service. I believe the writers and producers made a conscious decision to place and entirely Murdoch driven murder mystery at this point as a counterpoint to the extreme shipper fan service that has been going on for quite some time. PM said to expect darker. This episode is definitely that. This shipper queen did not miss Julia in this ep. I don't think they developed Emily's character at all tonight, just reinforced her excellent skills as a pathologist. I'm putting this episode in my top 10. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 3:05:13 GMT
It's not that there wasn't any shippiness that concerns me, it's the marginalization of a once strong female character to fluff when she does appear-which is what Julia is quickly becoming, IMO. It's like the writers, who can only handle one woman on the show apparently, are now developing Emily's character (long neglected) at the expense of Julia's. It's not a good sign. Because, god forbid that there be two strong women on the show. I think you're reading too much into Julia not being in the episode. It would have been nothing more than a) awkward because the entire episode takes place inside SH4, b) there is no need for her profiling services and c) gratuitous fan service. I believe the writers and producers made a conscious decision to place and entirely Murdoch driven murder mystery at this point as a counterpoint to the extreme shipper fan service that has been going on for quite some time. PM said to expect darker. This episode is definitely that. This shipper queen did not miss Julia in this ep. I don't think they developed Emily's character at all tonight, just reinforced her excellent skills as a pathologist. I'm putting this episode in my top 10. I'll watch the episode with an open mind, and I may even enjoy it. But, it doesn't alleviate my concern that they've largely written her character out of the show-there's been a gradual decline in her story lines for a few seasons now, and they're just coming up with little tidbits to keep William's girlfriend/wife involved. She used to be more than that, and it makes me sad. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 25, 2014 3:07:04 GMT
Julia has never been treated as a principle by the writers. They want her to remain a roughly equivalent member of an ensemble cast which are treated like permatemps or piece-workers. It's reasonable for the actors to use the freedom this gives them. Why pay the cow a retainer or a salary when you can get the milk for free? I'm going to disagree-because she was once more vital and central than Higgins, Jackson, Stockton, Giles, Perkins, etc. While not THE lead, she used to be one of the core four: Brackenreid, Murdoch, Crabtree, and Ogden. Now, she's just William's arm candy, and that kinda pisses me off. There's been a lot of talk amongst us about how the writers have rather boxed themselves in. Her central role as William's crime solving partner departed on the train to Buffalo. Julia has been arm candy to a large degree but not entirely. I know the suffragette arc lasts all season and that is the epitome of strong women. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 25, 2014 3:15:30 GMT
I think you're reading too much into Julia not being in the episode. It would have been nothing more than a) awkward because the entire episode takes place inside SH4, b) there is no need for her profiling services and c) gratuitous fan service. I believe the writers and producers made a conscious decision to place and entirely Murdoch driven murder mystery at this point as a counterpoint to the extreme shipper fan service that has been going on for quite some time. PM said to expect darker. This episode is definitely that. This shipper queen did not miss Julia in this ep. I don't think they developed Emily's character at all tonight, just reinforced her excellent skills as a pathologist. I'm putting this episode in my top 10. I'll watch the episode with an open mind, and I may even enjoy it. But, it doesn't alleviate my concern that they've largely written her character out of the show-there's been a gradual decline in her story lines for a few seasons now, and they're just coming up with little tidbits to keep William's girlfriend/wife involved. She used to be more than that, and it makes me sad. I can't completely disagree with that. Most of us are happiest when William and Julia are working together to solve a case. The writers fundamentally changed that focus when they chose to let her leave in order to delay the shipper arc. Too extreme in my view. Julia was more than that and it makes me sad too. I'm just going to put my faith in the writers that they can get the magic of the ensemble back on track in a way that makes sense and isn't just fluff. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 3:39:17 GMT
It's not that there wasn't any shippiness that concerns me, it's the marginalization of a once strong female character to fluff when she does appear-which is what Julia is quickly becoming, IMO. It's like the writers, who can only handle one woman on the show apparently, are now developing Emily's character (long neglected) at the expense of Julia's. It's not a good sign. They wrote Julia into this corner the minute they made her a psychiatrist - it's a "soft science", a "social studies" - it's a "women's field". And that problem is magnified by the marriage because the UST no longer keeps Julia relevant - that's what I kept trying to warn people about. I'm kind of bummed it's coming up only a few episodes after, the marriage, though. Hang in there, lol! Peter Mitchell asked for some faith after he "pulled the trigger"! If Emily has something strong to do in this ep, then I don't think the writers have thrown "women" under the bus: what makes women interesting in MM is their struggle to take on hardcore men's roles - like the sciences, like detective field work, like wielding the gun - against the restrictive feminine stereotypes of the era. But - (oh no!) - Julia got shunted into a "soft science". She's in a female stereotype. That just sucks. Dr. Roberts was cool in the role of an alienist. Julia is not. GET JULIA BACK IN THE CSI LAB! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 3:40:13 GMT
I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Secrets came to light alright. Did anyone else wince when William told his? And I am wondering what the fallout will be from that.
Loved, loved, loved Detective! Gadget at work. It was sufficiently complicated that hubby and I had to discuss it for a few minutes to really understand it.
Yes, I kept wondering if and when Julia was going to make an appearance. I think she was not there because the actor had other commitments. If she was going to be part of this non fan service episode ( and it really was time for that) they would have written it differently to make her part in it just as serious as everyone else's. Even George's dialogue was devoid of lightness, or flights of fancy. Henry did not complain about his task. And William showed lots of emotion.
I did not suspect the true murderer.
I know most of you have either seen the episode or know all the answers via Twitter, but I do not want to reveal more out if respect for those who haven't.
And it looks like I just broke that vow! Sorry.
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 3:45:04 GMT
when they chose to let her leave in order to delay the shipper arc. I'm sure the factors were more complicated than that. There were probably contract negotiations in play, questions about whether the show would be renewed, personal decisions for Helene, business decisions for the producers, creative decisions for the writers... TV shows are not just "written by committee" - they are written by a goshdarned mega-clusterfrak-hairball. It's probably lucky the when the writers try to do any sort of arc story line at all, given that all the pressure is on keeping things contained in single episodes for maximum agility to face whatever business/political/personal decision happens next! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 3:47:34 GMT
I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Secrets came to light alright. Did anyone else wince when William told his? And I am wondering what the fallout will be from that. Weeeee - William did have a skeleton in the closet?!  Didn't catch it when I was scanning the tweets on my Kindle an hour ago (it only shows top tweets, and they go by fast). Maybe it's in the forum posts somewhere. *starts scrolling* |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 3:51:30 GMT
While I understand some of your concern I doubt that the writers will marginalize Julia, after all she is standing for parliament and with the fan interest in the suffrage issue, I cannot imagine how Julia's presence will be diminished. She won't be standing for parliament long since Margaret Haile is the historical candidate! I can't wait to see the reason she bows out! I hope that's part of the 10% darker season...! |
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