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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 4:28:17 GMT
Maybe she gets pregnant.....or has some other health issue. Or that.  But frankly I don't want to see a pregnancy this year. I'd like that to be its own arc involving Julia consulting specialists and searching for ways to get pregnant first.  Me too. I hope it's another reason, like she gets too busy setting up her forensics lab! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 4:32:16 GMT
Giles already knew. I think this is a landmark moment in a couple of ways. When William came back from the Klondike, he wanted to make a full confession. The moral standard which he had set for himself demanded that he be as transparent as glass in his profession. William was only thinking of himself and it took Brackenreid giving him a verbal slap in the head to make him realize that it would also ruin the Inspector, who had really stuck his neck out for him. At this moment, William had to learn to live with his own actions, without the catharsis of confession, for the greater good. He never doubted that what he did was the right thing, although it cost him Julia. And now he had to live with the cost. Now the secret is out. Stockton knew about it too, but I wonder who else already knows? Or will find out? need to re watch to see if there are any clues. William does not have to hide it anymore. Now he has to live with the secret being out, and the possible damage to his reputation from the more conservative types in authority. I wonder how much Julia knows. did they ever have a conversation about this? William did have some conversation with Julia about it - he said that she knew why he couldn't stop her wedding in Lovers in a Murderous Time. Oooh I love that corruption that's always underneath the surface: how higher ups let people get away with stuff if they think it's for the best, but then the consequences keep on stacking up. It's the Fatal Flaw of bureaucracies the world over. What does this mean for Inspector B?!!!  Also why were Tweets saying good bye to Nigel? I was predicting earlier that Giles would be closer to the murder and he would probably be caught in some Les Miserables type situation, but I see no comment to the effect he actually did hurl himself into the river. If he resigned his position, there's no reason to think the actor might not show up again, though...  |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2014 4:33:50 GMT
I think you're reading too much into Julia not being in the episode. It would have been nothing more than a) awkward because the entire episode takes place inside SH4, b) there is no need for her profiling services and c) gratuitous fan service. I believe the writers and producers made a conscious decision to place and entirely Murdoch driven murder mystery at this point as a counterpoint to the extreme shipper fan service that has been going on for quite some time. PM said to expect darker. This episode is definitely that. This shipper queen did not miss Julia in this ep. I don't think they developed Emily's character at all tonight, just reinforced her excellent skills as a pathologist. I'm putting this episode in my top 10. I have to agree with everything you've said. There was no need for Julia this episode and in fact Emily only played a very small role as she should have. This episode is what people have been asking for, I think they got more than they wanted. Excellent episode that left me close to tears for the first time ever watching MM. Definitely in my top 10 too. Was this the episode Georgina said had her close to tears? |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 4:34:06 GMT
Or that. But frankly I don't want to see a pregnancy this year. I'd like that to be its own arc involving Julia consulting specialists and searching for ways to get pregnant first. Me too. I hope it's another reason, like she gets too busy setting up her forensics lab! One bummer about Julia and William not having her own home: Julia can't be wrecking the kitchen with mad scientist lab experiments...  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 4:34:37 GMT
Was this the episode Georgina said had her close to tears? I bet this was it! |
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Post by barbarama on Nov 25, 2014 4:38:24 GMT
Overall a great episode regarding the mystery. I did not expect at all who the real killer was and Giles' own confession was pretty shocking. May I just add that Nigel Bennett is so terrific as an actor they are no words strong enough, his scenes with William were so intense I was glued to my seat. However and it is a BIG one, I always feel that the episode(s) are incomplete when you're missing one of the main characters. Don't tell me that Julia couldn't have helped in any capacity in this episode, even just to be a sounding board!!!! I do not want her character to be included for flimsy reasons so we get to see her in the station but I really dislike it when the entire cast is not part of an the episode, the dynamic is changed imo
But still the storyline was awesome!!!! I just like it better when the 5 main characters are involved in solving the case.
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2014 4:53:31 GMT
Oh he confessed it to Giles? Or did Giles already know? Giles already knew. I think this is a landmark moment in a couple of ways. When William came back from the Klondike, he wanted to make a full confession. The moral standard which he had set for himself demanded that he be as transparent as glass in his profession. William was only thinking of himself and it took Brackenreid giving him a verbal slap in the head to make him realize that it would also ruin the Inspector, who had really stuck his neck out for him. At this moment, William had to learn to live with his own actions, without the catharsis of confession, for the greater good. He never doubted that what he did was the right thing, although it cost him Julia. And now he had to live with the cost. Now the secret is out. Stockton knew about it too, but I wonder who else already knows? Or will find out? need to re watch to see if there are any clues. William does not have to hide it anymore. Now he has to live with the secret being out, and the possible damage to his reputation from the more conservative types in authority. I wonder how much Julia knows. did they ever have a conversation about this? Sorry for rambling. Now I need to go back to Season 5... Yes Stockton knew, as Giles had told him, but he didn't believe that Murdoch would do that. I actually liked Stockton in this ep. I don't think anyone else will find out about William and Constance Gardiner, it won't help anyone letting this out. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Nov 25, 2014 5:01:27 GMT
Oh he confessed it to Giles? Or did Giles already know? Giles already knew. I think this is a landmark moment in a couple of ways. When William came back from the Klondike, he wanted to make a full confession. The moral standard which he had set for himself demanded that he be as transparent as glass in his profession. William was only thinking of himself and it took Brackenreid giving him a verbal slap in the head to make him realize that it would also ruin the Inspector, who had really stuck his neck out for him. At this moment, William had to learn to live with his own actions, without the catharsis of confession, for the greater good. He never doubted that what he did was the right thing, although it cost him Julia. And now he had to live with the cost. Now the secret is out. Stockton knew about it too, but I wonder who else already knows? Or will find out? need to re watch to see if there are any clues. William does not have to hide it anymore. Now he has to live with the secret being out, and the possible damage to his reputation from the more conservative types in authority. I wonder how much Julia knows. did they ever have a conversation about this? Sorry for rambling. Now I need to go back to Season 5... Yes, Giles knew that Murdoch let her go he just had not proof. I don't know that the secret is public knowledge. Stockton knows but he is in his own little world, so it will only get out if Giles says something about it, and I don't think he will because he is married and the exact nature of the scandal will be kept quiet. It serves nobody's best interests to make the knowledge that Giles is homosexual or that Murdoch let a murderer go free, and everybody involved knows that. I am hoping that this will not be a subject of future angst (sorry Snacky) in the series. I agree that this was a significant episode and yes, we will have to see how it plays out. I have often wondered if William would have told Julia about it or not and that is something to be explored. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 5:03:47 GMT
Okay, I loved the episode, and you're right, Julia wasn't particularly missed, and Emily wasn't that big in it either. I'd even go so far as to say that it's in my top 10 as well.
But, I'm still concerned for Julia's character for the reasons outlined above.
Oh boy, did some secrets ever come to light! Wowza!
I never saw the killer either-who would have thought?
Snacky, you are going to lose it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:05:19 GMT
Giles already knew. I think this is a landmark moment in a couple of ways. When William came back from the Klondike, he wanted to make a full confession. The moral standard which he had set for himself demanded that he be as transparent as glass in his profession. William was only thinking of himself and it took Brackenreid giving him a verbal slap in the head to make him realize that it would also ruin the Inspector, who had really stuck his neck out for him. At this moment, William had to learn to live with his own actions, without the catharsis of confession, for the greater good. He never doubted that what he did was the right thing, although it cost him Julia. And now he had to live with the cost. Now the secret is out. Stockton knew about it too, but I wonder who else already knows? Or will find out? need to re watch to see if there are any clues. William does not have to hide it anymore. Now he has to live with the secret being out, and the possible damage to his reputation from the more conservative types in authority. I wonder how much Julia knows. did they ever have a conversation about this? Sorry for rambling. Now I need to go back to Season 5... Yes Stockton knew, as Giles had told him, but he didn't believe that Murdoch would do that. I actually liked Stockton in this ep. I don't think anyone else will find out about William and Constance Gardiner, it won't help anyone letting this out. [ According to Snacky Julia already knows all the details ( I didn't think he would keep it from her) but unless Constance shows up again you are right that it would serve no purpose. I am thinking about this from a character development point of view for William: he has changed so much over the course of the series from seeing everything in black and white to having to live with grey areas and difficult choices. As I said earlier he does not doubt this decision to let Constance go, nor should he. Up to now he has had to keep the secret, in his professional life. Perhaps that will be the end of it, but I wonder if there will be more consequences as a result. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 5:08:57 GMT
Even George's dialogue was devoid of lightness, When somebody raised some suspicions about George on Twitter, I flashed on George's threat to make Reginald Poundsett "not so pretty" in Anything You Can Do! It is possible that George started out in the Constabulary a bit rougher around the edges than the George we see now! This was a dark episode and I loved it-I just miss the core four, if you will. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 5:11:10 GMT
Weeeee - William did have a skeleton in the closet?! Didn't catch it when I was scanning the tweets on my Kindle an hour ago (it only shows top tweets, and they go by fast). Maybe it's in the forum posts somewhere. *starts scrolling* Snacky we all know the secret. It is the Constance Gardner situation. I am just wondering if William will face disciplinary action for breaking the law. Do we know that if there will be an episode next week, or is this the hiatus? I'm totally expecting a hiatus. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Nov 25, 2014 5:12:49 GMT
Overall a great episode regarding the mystery. I did not expect at all who the real killer was and Giles' own confession was pretty shocking. May I just add that Nigel Bennett is so terrific as an actor they are no words strong enough, his scenes with William were so intense I was glued to my seat. However and it is a BIG one, I always feel that the episode(s) are incomplete when you're missing one of the main characters. Don't tell me that Julia couldn't have helped in any capacity in this episode, even just to be a sounding board!!!! I do not want her character to be included for flimsy reasons so we get to see her in the station but I really dislike it when the entire cast is not part of an the episode, the dynamic is changed imo But still the storyline was awesome!!!! I just like it better when the 5 main characters are involved in solving the case. I have been a Nigel Bennett fan for years and his scenes with YB are always intense. I will be sad to see him leave, he is the perfect antagonist for William. I would like to see William and Julia discussing what happened and what her reaction is, but I rewatched the episode and it was pretty jam-packed andy I thought the way the story unfolded in the station house increased the dramatic tension. In all honesty I think Julia would have been a distraction. I love Julia, don't get me wrong, but her appearance at the station or even a phone call would have upset a very carefully crafted narrative. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2014 5:14:38 GMT
Yes Stockton knew, as Giles had told him, but he didn't believe that Murdoch would do that. I actually liked Stockton in this ep. I don't think anyone else will find out about William and Constance Gardiner, it won't help anyone letting this out. [ According to Snacky Julia already knows all the details ( I didn't think he would keep it from her) but unless Constance shows up again you are right that it would serve no purpose. I am thinking about this from a character development point of view for William: he has changed so much over the course of the series from seeing everything in black and white to having to live with grey areas and difficult choices. As I said earlier he does not doubt this decision to let Constance go, nor should he. Up to now he has had to keep the secret, in his professional life. Perhaps that will be the end of it, but I wonder if there will be more consequences as a result. I love the fact that William now has grey areas as opposed to all B&W. I noticed he didn't flinch when Giles admitted his proclivity, he's accepted it for what it is. I think it will be the end of the Constance Gardiner secret. The only person that cared about it was Giles and now he knows the truth but that truth won't help him. |
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Post by barbarama on Nov 25, 2014 5:17:35 GMT
There's an episode next week Fallenbelle, I think the hiatus might be at half season like last year so 2 more episodes to go before the christmas holidays.
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