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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:22:11 GMT
Me too. I hope it's another reason, like she gets too busy setting up her forensics lab! One bummer about Julia and William not having her own home: Julia can't be wrecking the kitchen with mad scientist lab experiments...  Well their living arrangements certainly have to change! I can see it getting really old really fast, especially for William. A hotel is hardly a "home". |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2014 5:26:00 GMT
One bummer about Julia and William not having her own home: Julia can't be wrecking the kitchen with mad scientist lab experiments... Well their living arrangements certainly have to change! I can see it getting really old really fast, especially for William. A hotel is hardly a "home". They were filming at the Walper again last Friday, seems they'll still be living at the Windsor House in the last ep of the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:28:13 GMT
Well their living arrangements certainly have to change! I can see it getting really old really fast, especially for William. A hotel is hardly a "home". They were filming at the Walper again last Friday, seems they'll still be living at the Windsor House in the last ep of the season. Maybe William really is building a new house. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 5:31:15 GMT
Oh he confessed it to Giles? Or did Giles already know? Giles already knew. I think this is a landmark moment in a couple of ways. When William came back from the Klondike, he wanted to make a full confession. The moral standard which he had set for himself demanded that he be as transparent as glass in his profession. William was only thinking of himself and it took Brackenreid giving him a verbal slap in the head to make him realize that it would also ruin the Inspector, who had really stuck his neck out for him. At this moment, William had to learn to live with his own actions, without the catharsis of confession, for the greater good. He never doubted that what he did was the right thing, although it cost him Julia. And now he had to live with the cost. Now the secret is out. Stockton knew about it too, but I wonder who else already knows? Or will find out? need to re watch to see if there are any clues. William does not have to hide it anymore. Now he has to live with the secret being out, and the possible damage to his reputation from the more conservative types in authority. I wonder how much Julia knows. did they ever have a conversation about this? Sorry for rambling. Now I need to go back to Season 5... I agree-this ep was a landmark episode, and it's going to be very interesting to see the fallout from this week. I'm going to wait until all you North American peeps go to bed to watch the show again, and I may even answer my own questions, but why was Giles such an ass to William about Constance Gardner? If he was a good cop who had acted out of loyalty, shouldn't he have at least given William-another good cop who did something out of character-the benefit of the doubt. Of course, the poor man also hasn't gotten laid in 20 years...ouch! Anyone else wonder of what experience William speaks when he tells Giles "lovers deceive"? |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2014 5:45:56 GMT
Anyone else wonder of what experience William speaks when he tells Giles "lovers deceive"? I think he was just repeating what Giles had said to him about the deception of the man he loved. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 5:58:39 GMT
Anyone else wonder of what experience William speaks when he tells Giles "lovers deceive"? I think he was just repeating what Giles had said to him about the deception of the man he loved. A) Giles is gay? B) Giles confessed that outloud/directly?  C) Hmm, I wouldn't count William's own experiences out, yet. He and Julia have been through some cloak and dagger, particularly over Julia's abortion and inability to have children. But William also failed to tell Julia how he felt about her, apparently. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 6:02:02 GMT
but why was Giles such an ass to William about Constance Gardner? If he was a good cop who had acted out of loyalty, shouldn't he have at least given William-another good cop who did something out of character-the benefit of the doubt. Projected guilt perhaps? Don't hold back on my account. I had a memory glitch and forgot I normally watch MM on Tuesday mornings - I have to go out for an appt at 9:30. Unless the ep turns up by a reasonable hour tonight, I won't get to watch it until tomorrow afternoon. Possibly tomorrow evening. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 6:10:48 GMT
They were filming at the Walper again last Friday, seems they'll still be living at the Windsor House in the last ep of the season. Maybe William really is building a new house. It's an ELECTRIC STEAM CASTLE!!!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 6:12:47 GMT
One bummer about Julia and William not having her own home: Julia can't be wrecking the kitchen with mad scientist lab experiments... Well their living arrangements certainly have to change! I can see it getting really old really fast, especially for William. A hotel is hardly a "home". Tesla would beg to differ! He lived at the Waldorf-Astoria until he died in his 80s! But I agree, William is going to start to get discombobulated at living like a toff...  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 6:24:20 GMT
I love the fact that William now has grey areas as opposed to all B&W. I noticed he didn't flinch when Giles admitted his proclivity, he's accepted it for what it is. I think it will be the end of the Constance Gardiner secret. The only person that cared about it was Giles and now he knows the truth but that truth won't help him. William may not flinch, but I think it's jaw-dropping to admit "proclivities" in a Victorian/Edwardian setting. In a macho "homosocial" setting like a police work environment as well. That must have been quite an interrogation. But then I don't think William flinched that much in Monsieur Murdoch as well. He reserved the flinch for the suggestion that he take Julia as his mistress.  This sounds like the movie The Negotiator where police negotiators at the top of their game try to outfox each other for high stakes... So Giles and William each have cards to play on each other now?  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 6:25:12 GMT
but why was Giles such an ass to William about Constance Gardner? If he was a good cop who had acted out of loyalty, shouldn't he have at least given William-another good cop who did something out of character-the benefit of the doubt. Projected guilt perhaps? Don't hold back on my account. I had a memory glitch and forgot I normally watch MM on Tuesday mornings - I have to go out for an appt at 9:30. Unless the ep turns up by a reasonable hour tonight, I won't get to watch it until tomorrow afternoon. Possibly tomorrow evening. Oh, I just meant waiting until most of North America was asleep for CBC bandwidth purposes-the earlier I try to watch the more buffering I have to endure-probably because so many people are trying to watch it online. It's a much smoother experience when I rewatch it in the evening here. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 6:28:04 GMT
Snacky, you are going to lose it! Haha, I think I'm too spoiled at this point to lose it. But I'm really eager to see it. Danged appointment. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 25, 2014 6:29:05 GMT
[ According to Snacky Julia already knows all the details ( I didn't think he would keep it from her) but unless Constance shows up again you are right that it would serve no purpose. I am thinking about this from a character development point of view for William: he has changed so much over the course of the series from seeing everything in black and white to having to live with grey areas and difficult choices. As I said earlier he does not doubt this decision to let Constance go, nor should he. Up to now he has had to keep the secret, in his professional life. Perhaps that will be the end of it, but I wonder if there will be more consequences as a result. I love the fact that William now has grey areas as opposed to all B&W. I noticed he didn't flinch when Giles admitted his proclivity, he's accepted it for what it is. I think it will be the end of the Constance Gardiner secret. The only person that cared about it was Giles and now he knows the truth but that truth won't help him. I love the shades of grey-little in this world is black and white and that's kind of what I was hoping for with secrets being revealed. No secrets (yet) that I didn't already know about, but I'm not complaining about this episode-it was a great one! My concerns are about the series, not episode specific! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 6:40:54 GMT
Yes Stockton knew, as Giles had told him, but he didn't believe that Murdoch would do that. I actually liked Stockton in this ep. I don't think anyone else will find out about William and Constance Gardiner, it won't help anyone letting this out. Stockton was the one who wanted to promote William in Glass Ceiling - only the Catholic bit held him back. William was Stockton's man to investigate Station House 5 in The Great Wall, too: he probably recommended Winnipeg for William's own good. I think he does regard William as incorruptible, and he probably laughed in Giles face when Giles "speculated" that William had let a murderess go free and Brackenreid had covered it up. After all, William had faced down the wrath of the entire police "brotherhood" to expose the truth on behalf of a mere Chinese girl: why would he start making legal exceptions for the woman who tried to frame him? Pretty much unthinkable! Stockton's continued moral regard for the "scofflaw" must drive Giles nuts, btw. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 6:48:20 GMT
. May I just add that Nigel Bennett is so terrific as an actor they are no words strong enough, Absolutely! So why is everyone acting like this is the last we will see of Nigel... ? |
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