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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 14, 2014 17:55:43 GMT
I used the term "butcher" in order to make you understand that at this time an abortion was more a slaughter than a medical/surgical act during which the uterus could be cut/ripped -the butcher used some "tools" -not always sterilized- to catch the fetus to drag it out of the body without even thinking about the consequences for the uterine wall- so women could die from a massive haemorrhage or from an infection and then hysterectomy was the only requiered way to save them. That's why she knew without a doubt that she can not have a baby. Could it have somehow been partial? Or could Dr. Tash have used cauterization as use mentioned earlier? Can you please rephrase your questions?
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 14, 2014 17:48:11 GMT
Hi everyone! We all know that William wants to have children and Julia is not or at least seems not opposed to the idea. But if they had one and only one child, would you prefer they have a boy OR a girl? I don't want to put a cart before the horse but I'm just curious to know your opinion. In my vision the child is an infant A last thing! Play the game. Do not tell "both" or twins -a boy AND a girl- because I said "one and only one child". My two cents worth: after a year or so of marriage and working out the kinks ( think what you want about "kinks" those of you who like to talk about ties and hats and such!;-)) they apply to adopt a child, a boy because Julia knows William has always wanted a son. Lo and behold, the orphanage makes a mistake, and they end up with a girl! I know, so Anne of Green Gables, but so Canadian, no? at first there is talk of sending her back, but William falls in love with the little angel. In my story the child is an infant, not like Anne, though. It could be interesting: I adored the story of Anne SHIRLEY; Anne with an "e" . I saw all the movies and read the books and I'm not Canadian. It could be a newborn and they could find out that the baby boy that they waited for is, in reality, a baby girl when they have to change his nappy -or rather her nappy! Victor??? Victoria! However Julia will have to convince William to open a investigation .
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 13, 2014 19:37:41 GMT
And I always thought that if an hysterectomy was not requiered to save her life and if Dr TASH had just cauterized her wounds, maybe with time, the uterine wall would have been enough healed to allow a fertilized ovum to attach to it. A MIRACLE! LOL. But in my opinion, Ialso think we never see Julia pregnant for reasons which have nothing to do with the past of the character of Julia. It has never been stated that Julia had a hysterectomy. For me this leaves the door open for Julia to search for a medical procedure that will allow her to get pregnant again. This era is at the dawn of true medical science and experimentation, including the first artificial insemination! Even if Julia cannot get pregnant, I would be interested in seeing her investigate the possibility. Perhaps her hopes can be raised...and then dashed. If Helene gets a movie offer or something, this could be an excuse for her to run off to Europe to consult a specialist. I used the term "butcher" in order to make you understand that at this time an abortion was more a slaughter than a medical/surgical act during which the uterus could be cut/ripped -the butcher used some "tools" -not always sterilized- to catch the fetus to drag it out of the body without even thinking about the consequences for the uterine wall- so women could die from a massive haemorrhage or from an infection and then hysterectomy was the only requiered way to save them. That's why she knew without a doubt that she can not have a baby.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 13, 2014 19:03:30 GMT
At this time, marriage is a holy sacrement -only death could end it- and divorce is an administrative/legal procedure -not so simple however- which is not recognized by the Church. (In fact, it's true in all religion not only in the Catholicism. Not to mention that divorce was also not accepted by the society). The issue now is Julia is a Protestant and William is a Catholic. According to our research, they can't get married in a Catholic church without special dispensation, and Julia would need to agree to bring the children up as Catholics. I forgot what the deal was with Protestant churches, but I think either they would refuse to do the marriage or they would insist that William convert. Not happening. This is why I've been suggesting that they go for traveling Unitarian minister. Unitarians are Protestant, but very liberal. (At least they are today). I think one of their ministers would agree to do a cross-religion religion marriage in the name of a Greater Love, as it were. I think a church is out of the question if we want to be historically accurate. They might get away with commandeering the chapel of a college, hospital, or club. But an outdoor wedding would be prettier. It might even be nicer in an age before decent electrical lighting. They could be married outside a church with a big stained glass window with a cross in the background. From the spoiler pics, though, I think the writers are just going to hope no one noticed that Julia is a Protestant and William is a Catholic. After premising the show on the big deal that William is a Catholic in a Protestant town. I didn't notice that William and Julia could have an issue because of the religion. Julia is more a protestant by birth than a practicing Protestant. I thought she was a very mordern woman and when she became a doctor, she also became an atheist. She often had an argument with William's Catholic principles. So I think the writers find a compromise to remain historically accurate. And if it's not the case, I don't really care.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 13, 2014 18:35:40 GMT
And I would be worried when they decide to adopt because it means -in my opinion- the beginning of the end of the MURDOCH MYSTERIES. I would rather have Julia work on overcoming her infertility, since that's a medical mystery. If they have to adopt, I hope it's an infant. Like you, I don't want the attention of the show to be drawn to kiddie hijinks. Then it would turn into Little House on the Prairie in Canada. Ps. Don't worry, I haven't formed any opinion on what you think about the "soap opera" - I'm too focused on my own opinions to worry about what other people think, hahahah! XD Regarding Tie vs. Hat: IMHO, in a death match, the homburg would beat the tie, with a sexy time exception. I have a theory but I don't think if it's medically plausible . Therefore, please be indulgent. When Julia had to resort to a clandestine abortion, she fell in the hands of a butcher and she almost died. Dr TASH saved her life. And I always thought that if an hysterectomy was not requiered to save her life and if Dr TASH had just cauterized her wounds, maybe with time, the uterine wall would have been enough healed to allow a fertilized ovum to attach to it. A MIRACLE! LOL. But in my opinion, Ialso think we never see Julia pregnant for reasons which have nothing to do with the past of the character of Julia. It was just an allusion to "Mysteries vs Ships". I realise it was a little bit clumsy . OUPS!
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 13, 2014 17:10:56 GMT
I watched the episode again last night and Julia said they could still be married "legally" (if she got a divorce) at which point William said "but not in the eyes of God". I took that to mean Julia was referring to a civil ceremony and William's reference was to being married in a church (my research did bring up the fact that Catholics could not be married outside as in a garden, etc.) but I cold be wrong, I'm sure no expert in Roman Catholic rulings in Toronto in 1904! I think it's not an issue/a problem about the wedding place, in a church or not. At this time, marriage is a holy sacrement -only death could end it- and divorce is an administrative/legal procedure -not so simple however- which is not recognized by the Church. (In fact, it's true in all religion not only in the Catholicism. Not to mention that divorce was also not accepted by the society). William was disappointed that she didn't accept the annulment; annulment meant that Julia has never been married in her life. And now he knew that he could not marry a divorced woman -it's forbidden by the Church- so that's why he said "but not in the eyes of God".
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 13, 2014 15:38:31 GMT
Having said all that, as much as I want them to get married, I'd rather not see a child come into the picture but I guess one begets the other. I can't believe I'm saying this, but they've survived with Mr. B having a family because we very rarely see them. Once married, I think W & J's personal life probably needs to move more into the background for most episodes, too and let the show get back to police matters. Don't get me wrong, their relationship is my favourite part of the show but the real fun has always been about getting a hint of something personal going on in the background that the other characters aren't yet totally aware of. William said that they will get married as soon as possible but his notion of "soon" is much longer than our notion of "soon". The writers of MURDOCH MYSTERIES are good -and even "too good" for my licking- at dragging out their relationship so they surely bring some obstacles to their wedding in order to keep the interest of an audience. Once married -if there is a wedding: www.facebook.com/MurdochOnCBC/photos/pb.278265358918600.-2207520000.1405263729./647509045327561/?type=1&theater- I think they could find some -romantic- ships about the change in their lives (to learn how to live together, to find compromises -surely they will need to-, to reconcile themselves after a conflict -I would like it, it could be so funny!) in a good measure -of course!- in the back ground without making the serie a soap opera (and contrary to what Snacky seems to think, it's definitely not what I want). But I stopped to expect this kind of ships in order to be not disappointed anymore. Like you, I don't see a child come into the picture because Julia and William are too much focused on their careers. And I would be worried when they decide to adopt because it means -in my opinion- the beginning of the end of the MURDOCH MYSTERIES.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 13, 2014 14:22:06 GMT
Hi everyone! We all know that William wants to have children and Julia is not or at least seems not opposed to the idea. But if they had one and only one child, would you prefer they have a boy OR a girl? I don't want to put a cart before the horse but I'm just curious to know your opinion. A last thing! Play the game. Do not tell "both" or twins -a boy AND a girl- because I said "one and only one child". Yeah...I'd like to apologize for hijacking your cute and cuddly thread about babies and dragging it off topic. It's unintentional, but I'm afraid I'm rather good at it. You didn't need to apologize. I proposed a topic and I'm not unhappy that it can lead to discussions about others topics.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 13, 2014 13:47:39 GMT
It will make my fandom year if MM writers pick up on this and have Julia whip off the tie first thing after they are over the honeymoon suite threshold. I still suspect William's kind of afraid of what Julia will do with it, though. *snaps tie* The newlyweds walked into the royal suite at the Queens Hotel and Julia heard the door click with a suddenly chilling finality. Things would never be the same between them ever again after tonight. Thank God. As Julia heard the lock slide into place, she turned around to face her husband. William had an inscrutable look on his face, as though he were struggling with some inner conflict. His dark eyes bored into her soul, and Julia shuddered for just a moment. She'd wanted William to take her to his dark places for ages, had fantasized about what those places would be like, but now that moment was here. But was she ready? Well, there was only one way to find out. She he reached for his tie, and this time, he made no move to stop her. He just continued to stare deep into her eyes as she removed the tie tack and deftly undid the tie. She held both ends of the tie in her hands and subtly nodded to him, giving her consent for what great and dark thing was about to happen. Then, she pulled the tie from his collar, and as she was about to drop it to the floor, he pounced. Um, yeah, I believe I'll stop it there before it gets too smutty. You may be disappointed because it would seem that William will wear a top hat and a -bloody hell- bow tie on his wedding day. You also seem "fascinated" by William's tie and by what it could represent, you should create a new thread about the theory of the tie in order to know what the others think about this and how Julia could get it like she gets a trophy over a long period of hunting. To finish, Snacky often reminds us that William is devoted to his hat -I have one or two ideas about this- and each time, I can't help to imagine Julia say to him this sentence: "You can leave you hat on!". LOL. (Though I've never seen the movie, just hear the song by Joe COCKER).
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 11, 2014 17:57:18 GMT
Hi everyone!
We all know that William wants to have children and Julia is not or at least seems not opposed to the idea. But if they had one and only one child, would you prefer they have a boy OR a girl?
I don't want to put a cart before the horse but I'm just curious to know your opinion.
A last thing! Play the game. Do not tell "both" or twins -a boy AND a girl- because I said "one and only one child".
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 17:49:18 GMT
William isn't a virgin. He and Julia have slept together. His memory of her in 301 showed they were lovers. Plus, they almost had sex in Green Muse.
William is a practising Catholic. He was under the influence of alcohol in "The Green Muse". Alcohol is well known for its disinhibiting properties He was amnesic in "The MURDOCH Identity"; we can deduce his memory could have been somewhat altered; he could have made a confusion between the reality and his daydreams/fantasies.
He has a deep respect for Julia; he refuses to compromise her reputation. He has principles. It's one of the reasons that she loves him.
Julia was surprised to see him in his bathing suit and seemed to be delighted to admire his shapely body in "Loch Ness MURDOCH".
Once I had a doubt in "Stroll on the Wild Side":
1- The victim was a woman with a tatoo just above her ankle on her calf. When Detective MURDOCH interviewed her fiancé, he was surprised that he could have not to know/he ignored that the woman he loved had a tatoo while they both engaged. First I though that William seemed to not be against sexual intercourses or at least intimate moments between man and women provided they were engaged. But then, I understood that William supposed that if a woman dared to have a tatoo, she surely must have been intimate with her fiancé or show her tatoo to him or at least talk about it with him. By the way, her fiancé was offended and he precised that she was a good Christian and so she would remain a virgin until their wedding.
2- William had dinner with Anna Fulford and they kissed. The very next day, Inspector BRACKENREID noticed that the very ponctual detective was late for the first time since he knew him. A way to tend us to think he had a "very good evening with a woman". But I think he just sat up late the night before -a busy night: having dinner, flirting, and taking Anna home because he's a gentleman and reciting his prayers of course!- and he wasn't accustomed. Moreover, Anna asked George what or rather who kept William back in Toronto. We all knew the answer: Julia. She was married to another man but he was still in love with her so I can't see/imagine how he could have been unfaithful to Julia and slept with Anna.
To finish, at this time, it was normal to remain a virgin for men and women who believed in social mores/decency until their weeding and whatever their age.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 15:15:32 GMT
Can't tell exactly if it's her though. I think it has to be someone else's wedding in the church, though William and Julia may get married in that episode. Here is a link to the Tumblr tag in case more pics come up: www.tumblr.com/search/Murdoch+Mysteries/recentAlso I hope church wedding doesn't imply a frou-frou dress. What a disappointment! It would be a disaster for Julia/William shippers if there was a someone else's wedding in the same episode of their wedding. They waited too long time and surely they would expect for a very special episode for a very special day in their life. I know that what I'm going to say is nosense but the woman on the picture reminds me of Sophie/Jacqueline CHIASSON (Cristina ROSATO). Maybe she escaped/avoided the hanging and she is about to get marry because she is a kind of "veuve noire" (a woman who kills her husband to inherit his fortune and then searchs an other rich man to marry him and then again to kill him, and so on). Concerning the man, at first, I thought it was George but now I'm not sure. Are you sure those or these ( ) pictures come from the filming of the MURDOCH MYSTERIES show? I read a comment about the wedding dress of Julia but I can remember where or who did it. Indeed I didn't notice that she wore the same dress when she married Darcy and in the William's dream. So I wish she will wear a new one this time... and yes, without FROU-FROU!
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 14:20:01 GMT
Regarding the 2-part episode: we think this is the one that will have stories from William's past - at least the part at the logging camp! Someone is going to have to explain how that boy ended up being schooled by Jesuits, working as a ranch hand, learning to box, as well as well as the basic skills of Tae Kwon Do (Victoria Cross), and teaching himself just about everything to do with practical science all before joining the Toronto constabulary. I hope not! I'm not intersting by William's past. I'm not against some hints/allusions but not an whole two-part episode. IMHO. And CosmicCavalcadeGod has an interesting explanation. I quote: "Going back to your first post, the first episode they shot for S8 was #803 because that was the episode Yannick directed and whichever one he directs has to be the first one they film for the season. After that he wouldn't be able to manage all the acting and directing responsibilities....so I've heard. ".
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 13:59:52 GMT
When I said that "Is that a church I see?" comment caught my attention, I just wanted to emphasize that the MURDOCH MYSTERIES'team were about to film/shoot the wedding of Julia and William. I thought it was a good news. I didn't expect you to launch a debate on the possiblity or impossibility of celebrating it in the church because of William's religion. By the way, I'm not able to participate in this discussion. The only thing I know is that a ceremony in a church seems very important for/to William. Remember, he dreamed of marrying Julia in a church in the first episode of the sixth season. And I hope the writters made up a logic story/a coherent plot to get everyone agree upon this sensitive issue.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 12:10:17 GMT
Leslie brought Emily a rose for passion and George brought Emily violets, which stand for loyalty. An earlier episode (Werewolves?) also made explicit use of the "language of flowers" when Julia spotted the salvias that Enid gave William in William's office: when Julia said they meant "thinking of you", William did a hopeful double-take, thinking Julia was referring to him. This reminds me of the way people used to talk about Disney animated movies: fun for the kids, but also packed with jokes aimed at adults so the chaperones would enjoy the movie, too. Murdoch Mysteries has a light-hearted, superficial level, but then some deeper levels for people who are interested in historical accuracy, a consistent series-arching storylines (character development, the romance), and, apparently, some very sneaky symbolism). I'll have to brush up on my symbolism. What's hilarious is that I never learned about the "language of flowers" from years of historical and cultural reading. I learned about it from a cheesy, totally character-inappropriate slash fanfic I read about 10 years ago. Who says your time is completely wasted by trawling the underworld of fandom? I would never -really: NEVER!- have known about the symbolism based on the choice of the flowers in this scene without your explanation; I was only focused on the disappointment of George. Although I don't care about the relationship between Emily and George, I find the dicerning parallel very interesting. Concerning the scene between Julia and William, it was more easy to understand because the writers gave us all the data necessary for that. This was a smart way/a good process to emphasize/highlight the deep feelings of the characters. Good work! And yes, I watch series to relax but it doesn't mean that I "turn my brain off". I could go even further and say that it can be a recreational way of learning and improving my general knowledge. I must admit I didn't know much about Canada.
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