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Post by snacky on Oct 28, 2015 16:00:09 GMT
Remember, Lillian had already been involved in what she thought was the killing of Daniel, and wasn't exactly remorseful when she thought her brick through the window had killed the corset model...... People put a negative spin on this because they already didn't like Lillian. She through the rock through the window in the middle of a protest - this is common enough during protests where people feel the stakes are high and they aren't getting heard any other way. The death of the woman is an accident (and it turned out not to be caused by the brick). In an ideal world, people come forward and confess to murder. If you look at what happens with hit-and-run accidents, people often panic and run away and hope the person they hit didn't die. A fear of punishment and wriggling out of responsibility doesn't imply that a person has any sort of murderous impulse or intent.
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Post by murdochic on Oct 28, 2015 16:01:12 GMT
Rebecca can't be coroner. Now we've gotten Julia back in the morgue we'd like to keep her there until the show ends. Maybe in the last episode Rebecca could become the new coroner, or she can be appointed in another city. Oh I know she can't be...she's black. It was a joke. I'm one upping everything they've done so far. But uh, I don't think Julia's going to be coroner for more than a couple of episodes. I think they just did this as a throwback and to satisfy certain appetites for her return to the morgue. I.e. please the wistful fans, at least temporarily. No, I think Julia will be the coroner for at least this season. When people went on the recent fan tour around the filming lot, Julia's asylum set was gone. It does seem like the morgue will be her her work place in S9. Rebecca has also been described as Julia's assistant, so I appears she'll be a morgue assistant which fits with other things that have leaked. She could well be wanting to train as a pathologist but I don't believe she'd yet be anywhere near qualified as one. She'll likely have to fight for it, with Julia's help.
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Post by snacky on Oct 28, 2015 16:05:39 GMT
She was an outright rabble-rouser in the corset-free movement as well as the suffragettes. That was an extremely high profile life style. Which makes her secret past all the more hackneyed and annoying. When did she go to college for engineering? When did she work for the corset designer? If she lived in Toronto first, how did she end up in Port Credit? Where are her parents? Also, how did she meet Wayland before she became his escort (and he let her crash at his house)? It seems like there should have been time to lead up to that relationship as well.
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Post by snacky on Oct 28, 2015 16:07:30 GMT
Oh I know she can't be...she's black. It was a joke. I'm one upping everything they've done so far. But uh, I don't think Julia's going to be coroner for more than a couple of episodes. I think they just did this as a throwback and to satisfy certain appetites for her return to the morgue. I.e. please the wistful fans, at least temporarily. No, I think Julia will be the coroner for at least this season. When people went on the recent fan tour around the filming lot, Julia's asylum set was gone. It does seem like the morgue will be her her work place in S9. Rebecca has also been described as Julia's assistant, so I appears she'll be a morgue assistant which fits with other things that have leaked. She could well be wanting to train as a pathologist but I don't believe she'd yet be anywhere near qualified as one. She'll likely have to fight for it, with Julia's help. I hope Julia at least got a title bump out of this.
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Oct 28, 2015 16:18:04 GMT
This isn't exactly to do with this episode, but I've always found people's response to Lillian puzzling. There's probably an interesting conversation to be had with regards to her reception as opposed to the reception of, say, male characters with similar traits. Female characters don't get as much leeway as men to be loud and unconventional and morally ambiguous without being disliked/hated. Brackenreid's casual misogyny throughout the series has not caused as much of a negative stir towards his character as Lillian's radicalism and passion for the sufragette movement. It's... interesting.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 28, 2015 16:23:06 GMT
Rebecca can't be coroner. Now we've gotten Julia back in the morgue we'd like to keep her there until the show ends. Maybe in the last episode Rebecca could become the new coroner, or she can be appointed in another city. Oh I know she can't be...she's black. It was a joke. I'm one upping everything they've done so far. But uh, I don't think Julia's going to be coroner for more than a couple of episodes. I think they just did this as a throwback and to satisfy certain appetites for her return to the morgue. I.e. please the wistful fans, at least temporarily. I don't think Rebecca is supposed to take over in the morgue. Julia 'takes her under her wing'. I very much doubt a black woman in those times would be allowed into medical school even if she had the education/intelligence. Look what Julia had to go through and she was of the correct social class. I think Rebecca's supposed to be an aide. Georgina/Emily leaving cleared the way for Julia to go back to the morgue and once again be relevant to the investigations. I understand that in S5 someone was needed to fill in for Helene's character as she was unavailable for much of the season. Unfortunately it led to Julia being sidelined for too many future seasons.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 28, 2015 16:27:13 GMT
This isn't exactly to do with this episode, but I've always found people's response to Lillian puzzling. There's probably an interesting conversation to be had with regards to her reception as opposed to the reception of, say, male characters with similar traits. Female characters don't get as much leeway as men to be loud and unconventional and morally ambiguous without being disliked/hated. Brackenreid's casual misogyny throughout the series has not caused as much of a negative stir towards his character as Lillian's radicalism and passion for the sufragette movement. It's... interesting. Lillian's traits weren't because of her being female and any male character with the same traits would have been just as annoying. That doesn't include her sexuality btw which I consider beside the point. She was just an unpleasant character with no redeeming qualities and I couldn't see what Emily could possibly see in her other than she was attracted to unsavoury characters. George was the only decent person Emily liked and she screwed him (figuratively speaking .
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 28, 2015 16:40:16 GMT
Which makes her secret past all the more hackneyed and annoying. When did she go to college for engineering? When did she work for the corset designer? If she lived in Toronto first, how did she end up in Port Credit? Where are her parents? Also, how did she meet Wayland before she became his escort (and he let her crash at his house)? It seems like there should have been time to lead up to that relationship as well. Trying to make sense of this is pointless. They never planned to end it this way, (at least one can hope) so the previously established details aren't going to line up. It's not the first time they've been lax with continuity. I mean, they can't even keep Brax's middle name straight for crying out loud! Also, is Port Credit the same place Julia's disappearing patient lived in S6? If so, that seems to be a common theme of the place. Best avoid.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 28, 2015 16:55:24 GMT
Oh I know she can't be...she's black. It was a joke. I'm one upping everything they've done so far. But uh, I don't think Julia's going to be coroner for more than a couple of episodes. I think they just did this as a throwback and to satisfy certain appetites for her return to the morgue. I.e. please the wistful fans, at least temporarily. No, I think Julia will be the coroner for at least this season. When people went on the recent fan tour around the filming lot, Julia's asylum set was gone. It does seem like the morgue will be her her work place in S9. Rebecca has also been described as Julia's assistant, so I appears she'll be a morgue assistant which fits with other things that have leaked. She could well be wanting to train as a pathologist but I don't believe she'd yet be anywhere near qualified as one. She'll likely have to fight for it, with Julia's help. Oh that could be interesting I suppose...at the very least, it will be nice to have a recurring POC character on the show, something that's been sadly lacking, even given the time period. Could've had a POC CI that showed up once every season, but I suppose that's Meyers role. And I suppose they ONLY introduced her because Georgina left... And having Julia in the morgue again will make it a lot easier to incorporate her into the mysteries without having to have her pop up all the time, or have the suspect be crazy or whatever. So I get why they want to do this. But it will be a step down professionally and I thought she didn't like the morgue because she wasn't healing anyone and only put up with it because no one had offered her something better/William was there. I just find it hard to believe she'd stay put for months. Surely they could find a replacement in that time? Maybe in this case it's only cuz of Rebecca...maybe she starts out as someone who's come in to identify a body and ends up making keen observations that intrigue Murdoch and Julia and then Julia is the one that suggests she become her aide.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 28, 2015 19:38:24 GMT
Okay, so get this: in Stairway to Heaven the female doctor friend that Emily thought she had killed was named...Lillian.
Was it complete chance they decided on Lillian Moss? Or was this alluding to something more? Like perhaps Emily had been in love with Lillian MacDonald and THAT was the real reason she was so remorseful about killing her.
Haha, yeah right like they’d have continuity from that far back. But the coincidence is strange…out of all the names they could have chosen, they chose that one.
And if it was alluding to something more, killing LM off is just that much worse.
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Post by lizmc on Oct 28, 2015 22:35:16 GMT
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Post by snacky on Oct 29, 2015 1:05:14 GMT
I've pointed this out a few times, but people just don't see it that way. Thank you for letting it be known that I'm not the only one who sees the double standard.
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Post by snacky on Oct 29, 2015 1:13:35 GMT
Brilliant catch! And that would explain why Emily seemed so experienced once she made her decision. Another dangling thread is Emily's father. We were being set up to find out more about him. Continuity attempt fail…?
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Oct 29, 2015 14:43:21 GMT
I've pointed this out a few times, but people just don't see it that way. Thank you for letting it be known that I'm not the only one who sees the double standard. No problem. I've noticed that some people are quick to dismiss Brackenreid as a product of his time when he's sexist or making shifty comments about politics, or brush off those moments because we all know he has a good heart. But they ignore that exactly the same thing is going on with Lillian. She is very much a product of her time, especially when it comes to her response to Julia and Julia's marriage (which people hated!). And we know that she isn't a bad person, either. Also, Lillian did throw a brick through a window without regret, but Brax beats people bloody all across his interrogation room. Both of them do extreme things. I guess it's far more socially acceptable for a man to be outspoken and resort to extremism, though. I like variety in my female characters. I like that Lillian has a different kind of strength and viewpoint than Julia. I absolutely see why thrill-seeking Emily would be drawn to Lillian as opposed to George, who she likes but gets quickly bored of. I don't know why it's easy to see why Emily liked Leslie, but not Lillian, who's similar in the excitement she brings (but not as bad as Leslie, obviously).
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Oct 29, 2015 14:44:07 GMT
I guess I should refer to Lillian in the past tense. Ugh.
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