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Post by Hodge on Oct 29, 2015 14:45:55 GMT
I like variety in my female characters. I like that Lillian has a different kind of strength and viewpoint than Julia. If you think rudeness is a strength we'll have to agree to disagree!! |
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Post by murdochic on Oct 29, 2015 15:02:04 GMT
I've pointed this out a few times, but people just don't see it that way. Thank you for letting it be known that I'm not the only one who sees the double standard. No problem. I've noticed that some people are quick to dismiss Brackenreid as a product of his time when he's sexist or making shifty comments about politics, or brush off those moments because we all know he has a good heart. But they ignore that exactly the same thing is going on with Lillian. She is very much a product of her time, especially when it comes to her response to Julia and Julia's marriage (which people hated!). And we know that she isn't a bad person, either. Also, Lillian did throw a brick through a window without regret, but Brax beats people bloody all across his interrogation room. Both of them do extreme things. I guess it's far more socially acceptable for a man to be outspoken and resort to extremism, though. I like variety in my female characters. I like that Lillian has a different kind of strength and viewpoint than Julia. I absolutely see why thrill-seeking Emily would be drawn to Lillian as opposed to George, who she likes but gets quickly bored of. I don't know why it's easy to see why Emily liked Leslie, but not Lillian, who's similar in the excitement she brings (but not as bad as Leslie, obviously). I didn't like Lillian's attitude to Julia at times, she could be rude. But I didn't find her as rude as Brackenreid can be. He can actually be really obnoxious sometimes, whereas at most I found Lillian abrasive. She wasn't the easiest person to like, but she wasn't a bad person and I never had a particular problem with her. Just sometimes I think she was close to needing a slap. Though Brackenreid and Giles need a slap a lot more often. |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Oct 29, 2015 15:49:50 GMT
No problem. I've noticed that some people are quick to dismiss Brackenreid as a product of his time when he's sexist or making shifty comments about politics, or brush off those moments because we all know he has a good heart. But they ignore that exactly the same thing is going on with Lillian. She is very much a product of her time, especially when it comes to her response to Julia and Julia's marriage (which people hated!). And we know that she isn't a bad person, either. Also, Lillian did throw a brick through a window without regret, but Brax beats people bloody all across his interrogation room. Both of them do extreme things. I guess it's far more socially acceptable for a man to be outspoken and resort to extremism, though. I like variety in my female characters. I like that Lillian has a different kind of strength and viewpoint than Julia. I absolutely see why thrill-seeking Emily would be drawn to Lillian as opposed to George, who she likes but gets quickly bored of. I don't know why it's easy to see why Emily liked Leslie, but not Lillian, who's similar in the excitement she brings (but not as bad as Leslie, obviously). I didn't like Lillian's attitude to Julia at times, she could be rude. But I didn't find her as rude as Brackenreid can be. He can actually be really obnoxious sometimes, whereas at most I found Lillian abrasive. She wasn't the easiest person to like, but she wasn't a bad person and I never had a particular problem with her. Just sometimes I think she was close to needing a slap. Though Brackenreid and Giles need a slap a lot more often. Yeah, agreed. She wasn't perfect, and she did some stuff I wasn't fond of, but she's definitely not the only character who's been rude and abrasive. |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Oct 29, 2015 15:55:47 GMT
I like variety in my female characters. I like that Lillian has a different kind of strength and viewpoint than Julia. If you think rudeness is a strength we'll have to agree to disagree!! ... well, that statement only works if Lillian's only character traits was rudeness. And she wasn't that one-dimensional, not as far as I saw, anyway. Most of the characters on this show have made mistakes, or said awful things- does that automatically erase their better aspects? |
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 29, 2015 21:57:26 GMT
No, I think Julia will be the coroner for at least this season. When people went on the recent fan tour around the filming lot, Julia's asylum set was gone. It does seem like the morgue will be her her work place in S9. Rebecca has also been described as Julia's assistant, so I appears she'll be a morgue assistant which fits with other things that have leaked. She could well be wanting to train as a pathologist but I don't believe she'd yet be anywhere near qualified as one. She'll likely have to fight for it, with Julia's help. Oh that could be interesting I suppose...at the very least, it will be nice to have a recurring POC character on the show, something that's been sadly lacking, even given the time period. Could've had a POC CI that showed up once every season, but I suppose that's Meyers role. And I suppose they ONLY introduced her because Georgina left... And having Julia in the morgue again will make it a lot easier to incorporate her into the mysteries without having to have her pop up all the time, or have the suspect be crazy or whatever. So I get why they want to do this. But it will be a step down professionally and I thought she didn't like the morgue because she wasn't healing anyone and only put up with it because no one had offered her something better/William was there. I just find it hard to believe she'd stay put for months. Surely they could find a replacement in that time? Maybe in this case it's only cuz of Rebecca...maybe she starts out as someone who's come in to identify a body and ends up making keen observations that intrigue Murdoch and Julia and then Julia is the one that suggests she become her aide. At one point didn't Julia say she missed the morgue because she didn't have to worry about whether her patients healed? I think that was in S8? |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Oct 30, 2015 2:00:43 GMT
Okay, so I just rewatched the episode, and I have to say- George transitioning smoothly from being confused about Emily and Lillian to wondering why all women aren't lesbians was hysterical. Plus, the foot-in-the-boot part. And I've kind of been ragging on Brackenreid in my last few posts, but I really liked how protectively/fatherly he acted toward Emily when Murdoch was asking her about Lillian's sexuality. It was heartwarming.
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Post by snacky on Oct 31, 2015 2:09:20 GMT
Okay, so I just rewatched the episode, and I have to say- George transitioning smoothly from being confused about Emily and Lillian to wondering why all women aren't lesbians was hysterical. Plus, the foot-in-the-boot part. And I've kind of been ragging on Brackenreid in my last few posts, but I really liked how protectively/fatherly he acted toward Emily when Murdoch was asking her about Lillian's sexuality. It was heartwarming. I agree: I love seeing the softer side of Brackenreid. It's all the more meaningful since he has a hard side to contrast with. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 31, 2015 2:15:59 GMT
At one point didn't Julia say she missed the morgue because she didn't have to worry about whether her patients healed? I think that was in S8? Yes, but I suppose something could have changed her mind about the asylum career path. Perhaps she couldn't abide the way people were being treated in institutions. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 31, 2015 2:17:35 GMT
I didn't like Lillian's attitude to Julia at times, she could be rude. But I didn't find her as rude as Brackenreid can be. He can actually be really obnoxious sometimes, whereas at most I found Lillian abrasive. She wasn't the easiest person to like, but she wasn't a bad person and I never had a particular problem with her. Seconded! |
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Post by snacky on Oct 31, 2015 2:19:05 GMT
No problem. I've noticed that some people are quick to dismiss Brackenreid as a product of his time when he's sexist or making shifty comments about politics, or brush off those moments because we all know he has a good heart. But they ignore that exactly the same thing is going on with Lillian. She is very much a product of her time, especially when it comes to her response to Julia and Julia's marriage (which people hated!). And we know that she isn't a bad person, either. Also, Lillian did throw a brick through a window without regret, but Brax beats people bloody all across his interrogation room. Both of them do extreme things. I guess it's far more socially acceptable for a man to be outspoken and resort to extremism, though. I like variety in my female characters. I like that Lillian has a different kind of strength and viewpoint than Julia. I absolutely see why thrill-seeking Emily would be drawn to Lillian as opposed to George, who she likes but gets quickly bored of. I don't know why it's easy to see why Emily liked Leslie, but not Lillian, who's similar in the excitement she brings (but not as bad as Leslie, obviously). Exactly how I felt about Lillian as a character.  |
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Post by carco on Oct 31, 2015 14:49:05 GMT
Ugh, Facebook needs to die. It's turned into "trolling among friends". FB is so disjointed to me. There are those in the early stages of watching (I can't understand why they don't buy the DVDs) then people who just make weird comments. I like that I can get videos there but for my money this is the site for discussing and learning about MM. I don't mind FB for the things that MM posts, but I wish there was a disclaimer in bold print or something right on the main page that tells people in the US, OZ and Britain when and where they can view the shows. MM will post a photo or a video and within 3 comments about the upcoming episode (or whatever) you've got someone saying "Poor me, I can't watch it because I'm in .......". I don't know what they pay the people that respond to questions on FB but it's not enough because they have incredible patience. Me? I would have told them all to, well, I just wouldn't have that kind of patience. Period. I'd be like "Read the 57 posts before yours. I just answered that----57 times!!!!" |
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Post by carco on Oct 31, 2015 15:13:02 GMT
A lot of posters on here will have to agree to disagree with you about S8 observations. But we're still fans of the show and we're still watching and caring. I've enjoyed the first two episodes of S9, and they've made me happy to still be a fan. Now we're just worried about poor Emily, and Lillian. Hopefully you'll surprise us and she doesn't die, so both characters can leave alive. Whether together or apart. I know a lot of folks here didn't like S8 and I'm a huge fan of William and Julia so I felt a bit let down in that regard as well. But now I've randomly re-watched some of the episodes and found that I enjoyed them far more than I did last year. I'm assuming that's because I was watching the episode this time around, without hoping for a key "W/J" moment. There were some deeper, darker episodes last year that I can appreciate more now, in hindsight. I've come to realize this about myself....there is not one MM episode that I don't like. But over the years, there are a few episodes that I "under-appreciated" for whatever reason. Having said that, this is a thread for Double Life so I will have to go back and find the posts on that topic!! |
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Post by carco on Oct 31, 2015 15:19:10 GMT
I had the twitter feed going while I watched round 2. Very interesting with Georgina and Sara Mitch tweeting along but I don't know how people can tear themselves away from the action long enough to post!
Excellent episode all around. The writers and cast have outdone themselves, I always look at the tweets after the ep finishes, I couldn't take my eyes off the screen long enough before. Hah, another tweeter like me that tweet and watch.  I watch at 7 so I can tweet at 8 but when I watch at 8 I get so engrossed again that I forget to tweet. And I only joined tweet so I could tweet on Monday nights!!! |
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Post by Evilpm on Oct 31, 2015 16:17:09 GMT
Re season 8. Thanks Carco. Never signed on to write a soap
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 31, 2015 19:31:28 GMT
Okay, so get this: in Stairway to Heaven the female doctor friend that Emily thought she had killed was named...Lillian. Was it complete chance they decided on Lillian Moss? Or was this alluding to something more? Like perhaps Emily had been in love with Lillian MacDonald and THAT was the real reason she was so remorseful about killing her. Haha, yeah right like they’d have continuity from that far back. But the coincidence is strange…out of all the names they could have chosen, they chose that one. And if it was alluding to something more, killing LM off is just that much worse. Further evidence to support this ‘theory’: in the companion book Ricci points out that the two women who pretended to be George’s mother were Emily and Gracie…but his real mother’s name is Gracie Brooks. So yes, they definitely like playing around with the names. It’s not just coincidence that they chose the name Lillian for Emily’s new/dead love interest. At least, not to me. And now I'm left wondering if this was somehow foreshadowing of epic proportions. Previously I didn't believe they planned on killing Lillian off. It was only after Georgina decided to leave that they decided this...but maybe they were always planning to off her all along so that George and Emily could get back together? |
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I watch at 7 so I can tweet at 8 but when I watch at 8 I get so engrossed again that I forget to tweet. And I only joined tweet so I could tweet on Monday nights!!! 
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