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Post by Hodge on Mar 23, 2016 19:14:19 GMT
As for Eva and decline into insanity. I was talking to a friend yesterday, who I've converted to MM despite her resistance, she's a retired nurse. During training they were taken to a mental institution (back when she was training they still had asylums), they spent the day there. She said after just one day she could see how anyone living in such a place could go insane even if they were perfectly fine when they went in. She said it was the most disturbing place she has ever been. So, Eva had spent a year locked in a very confined space with four extremely disturbed women, I think she could very well have become delusional at the very least. That could have been an interesting story. One way to set it up would be to have Julia ponder whether she took the wrong path in her therapy with Eva. The groundwork could have been laid with earlier remarks that Eva had fallen under the delusion that William was her one true love. Eva might have even fallen in love with Julia (Stockholm Syndrome!). I still prefer a powerful, successful, sociopathic Eva. However, this ep would have seemed better to me if there had been a trail of bread crumbs leading in this direction. I just didn't feel prepared for this outcome for Eva. Eva wasn't under Julia's care in Ward C. Julia just appears to have done the intake assessment. |
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Post by molly on Mar 24, 2016 20:58:52 GMT
I have no problems at all with Eva's character as it ended. You could tell there was an underlying psycho in the first 2 episodes she was in, and it just came out big time in this episode. The song was extremely creepy and I didn't find it out of the ordinary, just another layer of psychopathy, if that's a word. She is obsessed with William and gets whatever she wants with men, so doing what she did to him makes sense. I also liked the title. Julia kicks ass!
So is TV-EH just a fan site? They act like they're reviewers but I don't recall ever reading one bad review.
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Post by carco on Mar 25, 2016 6:15:51 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode and by the time it was over, it was right up there in my top favourite episodes. Each time I watch it I like it more. What a crazy, wild ride!
I won't break it down as that has pretty much been done in the 10 previous pages but I seem to be of like mind with Murdochic and/or Fallenbelle on most aspects of the episode.
Cometh the Archer is a fine title, I thought. Actually, author Jeffrey "Archer" (get it!) has a book out called "Cometh the Hour." It takes place through the 1970's as I understand it ie: not biblical times or anything.
Some scenes that really stand out for me are*:
-the opening scene..Sunday morning at the Murdoch's, awww. Relaxed, planning ahead, teasing, playful. Calm before the storm.
-William telling the Doc to get out. We rarely, if ever, have seen him that furious with anyone. Even the "Leave me alone" was uncharacteristic. Intense.
-William grabbing Brackenreid by the lapels and giving him what for and with no apology
-Upset & frustrated William was telling the Captain he can't leave, that he needed to stay, needed to let Julia know he was there for her and some of the lights on the machine lit up in the foreground! She knows.
-William while being told she might not wake...swallowing, tight lipped, breathing fast...
I liked those scenes because last season some of us complained about what appeared to be a lack of closeness between William and Julia after the wedding. And, by comparison, they seem to be very happy and loving this season. But many scenes in this episode depict a deeper, more complex relationship than we've seen before. And with Julia unconscious for much of it, it required skillful acting on YB's part to show a very emotional yet much reined-in William. He did a great job.
Others:
-The overhead camera shot of the operation.
-The operatic music in the background for Julia's arrival at the hospital and the operation. It added to the sense of near death moment.
-Eva trying to seduce William juxtaposed with Julia suddenly sitting up
-Julia; binding herself up, the injection, hat, jacket, arrows .. bow, all with the music escalating in the background
-the questioning of William, etc.
-the overall mood, the tenseness of the episode; it all played into the scenes as much as the acting and the script.
Of course, I absolutely loved Julia, the archer, heading to Guelph to do what had to be done.
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 25, 2016 13:48:07 GMT
Holy cow you guys...you went from 3 pages to 10 in no time flat!
I think overall this was a really good episode. I agree that it could have been at least 30 minutes longer in order to give us some closure on a few issues such as:
1) Eva shifting from sociopath to psychopath. I wonder if her tipping point began in The Incurables when William left her to save Julia. How much time has elapsed since then? Did anyone else notice that Eva was the nun on the stairs as Julia was being rusheed into the hospital? Was the waiter from the hotel the one who helped Eva?
2) Worsley's death came put of left field. I understand that Sean asked for this to happen so I have no issue with the "why" but we got no closure with any kind of remembrance for him...just that last ghastly death mask. (However, one of the FB fans has done a very nice job with that and Sean is very pleased.)
3) I'm wondering what, if anything, happened between William and Eva during that second night of captivity. She was hell bent on seducing him and William was defenceless. My only consolation is that Eva is dead so there cannot be a child resulting from it. There is also a great deal of fodder for psychological angst to begin S10. (Fallenbelle and I discussed this at length as we toured through Yokohama this afternoon....yes, I am in Japan, which is why I haven't posted until now. 
4) How did Julia go from surviving surgery and a coma to having the strength to ride for 2 days (in the winter no less) ending in a battle for her life? I am choosing to suspend my disbelief for the sake of the story but really....
I loved William's EEG machine. That was a very William way to handle his stress IMO.
I was completely fangirling BAMFY Julia. She was hot!
The shared blood resulting in a more deeply shared conciousness was a nice touch!
I'm sorry if I'm repeating some of the discussion but I haven't been able to get through it all!
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 25, 2016 14:02:30 GMT
As a total aside, the VERY BEST part if this episode happened at the end. I was attending a viewing party with a small group of fans. We all watched and hooted and rooted for Bamfy Julia and as soon as the commercial came on in walked Helene Joy, fresh off a flight from the UK!!!!! She had been listening to us react for about half an hour and thought we were hilarious. The short story is that her friend and publicist, Renna, is launching a Helene Joy FB page to keep her fans up to date with all Helene's work, not just MM, so Renna and a camera crew came to talk to some fans about Helene, and her work. That's how Helene knew where we were and in the end it was Helene who wanted to reassure the fans that Julia wasn't dead. It was a huge and marvellous surprise, especially since the whole event came together at the last minute.
Helene was so sweet, answering questions, signing autographs and being very generous listening to stories and giving out hugs. For those of you on FB, keep an eye out for that new page...you may see some familiar faces. 
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Post by murdochic on Mar 25, 2016 21:02:00 GMT
Lucky you meeting Helene. Is she as beautiful and entertaining in person as she seems in interviews? Holy cow you guys...you went from 3 pages to 10 in no time flat!
I think overall this was a really good episode. I agree that it could have been at least 30 minutes longer in order to give us some closure on a few issues such as:
1) Eva shifting from sociopath to psychopath. I wonder if her tipping point began in The Incurables when William left her to save Julia. How much time has elapsed since then? Did anyone else notice that Eva was the nun on the stairs as Julia was being rusheed into the hospital? Was the waiter from the hotel the one who helped Eva?
2) Worsley's death came put of left field. I understand that Sean asked for this to happen so I have no issue with the "why" but we got no closure with any kind of remembrance for him...just that last ghastly death mask. (However, one of the FB fans has done a very nice job with that and Sean is very pleased.)
3) I'm wondering what, if anything, happened between William and Eva during that second night of captivity. She was hell bent on seducing him and William was defenceless. My only consolation is that Eva is dead so there cannot be a child resulting from it. There is also a great deal of fodder for psychological angst to begin S10. (Fallenbelle and I discussed this at length as we toured through Yokohama this afternoon....yes, I am in Japan, which is why I haven't posted until now.
4) How did Julia go from surviving surgery and a coma to having the strength to ride for 2 days (in the winter no less) ending in a battle for her life? I am choosing to suspend my disbelief for the sake of the story but really....
I loved William's EEG machine. That was a very William way to handle his stress IMO.
I was completely fangirling BAMFY Julia. She was hot!
The shared blood resulting in a more deeply shared conciousness was a nice touch!
I'm sorry if I'm repeating some of the discussion but I haven't been able to get through it all! Nothing happened with William and Eva. Eva will have just continued to say how they'd be together soon and William will have found more ways to keep her at bay. He would not have become aroused by her, so she could'nt have raped him anyway. Julia's adrenaline and the morphine she was using will have kept her going. She will have been in a lot of discomfort though. But fear, love, and anger overrode all that. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 26, 2016 13:01:46 GMT
LoveMondays and I just made a connection while out and about today: Did anyone else notice that the episode that first showed us that Julia was an archer was Murdoch in Ladies Wear-the episode that gave us Eva Pearce? Also, someone on the Facebook Season 10 group posted an interesting theory: is this matter not fully over yet? Did we in fact get a cliffhanger that we didn't realize was a cliffhanger? www.facebook.com/groups/261889697219319/permalink/1010376302370651/ |
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Post by rg on Mar 26, 2016 14:53:25 GMT
Oh I hope not, but I assume PM is gleeful about all the rumination and speculation. The only way I will be happy about this as a two-parter is if the season 10 opener brings the romance back to the fore--propelled yet again by fate nearly tearing them apart, and realixing the spark between them must be kept alive. --rg
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Post by lizmc on Mar 26, 2016 16:06:05 GMT
LoveMondays and I just made a connection while out and about today: Did anyone else notice that the episode that first showed us that Julia was an archer was Murdoch in Ladies Wear-the episode that gave us Eva Pearce? Also, someone on the Facebook Season 10 group posted an interesting theory: is this matter not fully over yet? Did we in fact get a cliffhanger that we didn't realize was a cliffhanger? www.facebook.com/groups/261889697219319/permalink/1010376302370651/So, the 2 of you are tootling around Japan, and things keep bringing you back to Murdoch.....Julia would probably have fun analysing both of you.....
I read that post, and I really hope they don't do that......besides, I want them to open with the Fire.......
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Post by murdochic on Mar 26, 2016 17:07:56 GMT
LoveMondays and I just made a connection while out and about today: Did anyone else notice that the episode that first showed us that Julia was an archer was Murdoch in Ladies Wear-the episode that gave us Eva Pearce? Also, someone on the Facebook Season 10 group posted an interesting theory: is this matter not fully over yet? Did we in fact get a cliffhanger that we didn't realize was a cliffhanger? www.facebook.com/groups/261889697219319/permalink/1010376302370651/Unless Julia is in a coma for months then this is impossible. The seasons always open months later, so it's not realistic that Julia is in a coma and Eva is still hanging around having not gone after William. |
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Post by Nora on Mar 27, 2016 3:49:38 GMT
They are poisitve Eva is dead aren't they? If she's mot, she could be pregnant with William's baby? That would provide the biological child that is necessary? Remember when someone asked MM what happened and he said "Don't ask?" Of course Eva would have to die so that Julia could arrange to bring up the child. Eva did say she was sorry she had to hurt him, so maybe MM was forcibly raped. The situation would be really weird as a cliffhanger
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Post by murdochic on Mar 27, 2016 4:47:10 GMT
William was talking about Julia killing Eva when he said "Don't ask". Eva could not have raped William because she couldn't have forced him to become aroused. It's like a century before Viagra was around so it's not as if she could've drugged him into arousal, and he wouldn't have naturally become so. He didn't have sex with her.
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2016 18:09:14 GMT
I feel like there should be a montage of Julia fight scenes. I would totally watch that. Is that a request?? Your wish has been granted. |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 31, 2016 0:00:17 GMT
Nice job Hodge!! I kept hoping that very brief bad ass Julia takedown from Filmed Adventures of WM would be in there and you saved it for last!!! 
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Post by Hodge on Mar 31, 2016 1:04:57 GMT
Nice job Hodge!! I kept hoping that very brief bad ass Julia takedown from Filmed Adventures of WM would be in there and you saved it for last!!! Thanks! Wasn't sure whether to just put the clips together or add music. It just seemed so boring with grunts and groans and of course the 'woman of action' clip had to be last. |
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