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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 3, 2017 12:20:30 GMT
I'm glad Penelope Marsh turned out to be an honest woman and not Williams lackey. Someone on fb wondered why she was needed but I think a woman was definitely right for the position she was given. I doubt a man would have taken the trouble to read about W's exploits and form an independent opinion. I feel a man would have been more likely to just get on with the job he was given. Miss Marsh seemed to be intrigued by W's character and integrity and it was obvious that he's earned the loyalty of the people around him. Glad to see Davis is going to get the justice he deserves, though I can't help liking the character. Richard Clarkin is a great actor and plays Davis chillingly well as the man you love to hate, I bet he had fun. Not much to say about George, I didn't believe he was dead as he's too integral to the core group and losing one constable was bad but George would have ended the show for too many people. Of course if JH wanted to leave nothing could be done. The reunion with W was surprising given George's habit of frustrating him. However as W thought he was dead I guess it was a pleasant surprise, but a little over the top IMO. A quick word about Henry Higgins. I've always liked Henry as he was always the voice of reason to George's flights of fancy but all that changed and I felt the writers were doing him a disservice. Yes, he was young, green and lazy but not a thief or a cad. I'm hoping the writers will bring him back to the character we had in the earlier seasons. It certainly lookes like he's grown a little from his experiences of late. I figured Brackenreid would get the jump on Davis but thought he'd have his own gun. A bit dumb going into that situation unarmed. I wonder if he would have gone back and killed Davis, I doubt anyone would realize it was him and he'd probably get away with it. The less said about Williams and Graham the better, hopefully Graham gets his due from the testimony of the others. And now to William. Well, he got himself into this mess and it's lucky he's got good friends to get him out of it. Someone said W didn't do much, how could he until he was free to move about? When he finally could do something he was his usual masterful self. I like this new W, there was a hardness to him we haven't seen before and it suits him, and yet he still had compassion for Davis. W was never naive but he did have an innocence about him despite his job, I think that innocence was lost in the last two episodes. His threat to Miss Marsh should she not be truthful about helping him was the first time I remember him threatening a woman that wasn't a criminal. I loved the commanding way he put Graham down and when George apologized for hitting Graham W's reply was chillingly unlike him in content and tone. I can't help but play that over and over and every time I pump my fist and say "YES!" I loved the way the last scene of Hell to Pay was repeated with the roles reversed, quite apropos I think. Re Penelope Marsh: I think you have a good point that a man likely wouldn't have taken the time to form her own opinion. I'm sure Williams installed her to simply follow orders but he shot himself in the foot. Didn't he say she had a fair bit of experience in Britain? Likewise, I am of 2 minds about Davis. Clarkin is a wonderful actor to lose but Davis need to get a PERMANENT heave-ho. I completely agree with your views on Henry Higgins. I am willing to let my disbelief go re Brackenreid showing up without a gun because his character needed to use some fists on Davis. Not surprising that he was able to disarm the weasel so easily. Brackenreid is one of our heroes and it's important that he does it his way, IMO. Peter Mitchell has said this season is going to be darker and edgier. This harder William makes sense to me given that everything he holds dear was nearly shattered. We have seen glimmers of ruthlessness in the past such as the way Wm threatened Dr. Tash with putting Julia on the stand and when he charged Charlie and Rebecca with the murder of her parents in Love and Human Remains. There has been a significant turnover of writing staff for this season so the timing is right for a new feel to things. I'm being very nit-picky here, but my complaint with Miss Marsh was that she felt too squeezed in- Graham and Williams still saw more screen time than she did. I don't see how her character was absolutely necessary...I think the core four could have gotten William out of trouble via other means. But as I've said, I'm a fan of the actress and I suppose I wish that she'd had more focus. I'm not unhappy with what they did, per se... I'm really looking forward to how they'll make this season darker and edgier, but also a bit nervous at the same time. Eep! But yes, maybe that won't mean imminent danger for our beloved foursome (they've had enough of late IMO), but that the subjects they tackle are what's darker and edgier...much like was the case in the earlier seasons. So far, I'm loving what they've done with the season.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 3, 2017 12:36:34 GMT
Not much to say about George, I didn't believe he was dead as he's too integral to the core group and losing one constable was bad but George would have ended the show for too many people. Of course if JH wanted to leave nothing could be done. The reunion with W was surprising given George's habit of frustrating him. However as W thought he was dead I guess it was a pleasant surprise, but a little over the top IMO. A quick word about Henry Higgins. I've always liked Henry as he was always the voice of reason to George's flights of fancy but all that changed and I felt the writers were doing him a disservice. Yes, he was young, green and lazy but not a thief or a cad. I'm hoping the writers will bring him back to the character we had in the earlier seasons. It certainly lookes like he's grown a little from his experiences of late. I figured Brackenreid would get the jump on Davis but thought he'd have his own gun. A bit dumb going into that situation unarmed. I wonder if he would have gone back and killed Davis, I doubt anyone would realize it was him and he'd probably get away with it. The less said about Williams and Graham the better, hopefully Graham gets his due from the testimony of the others. And now to William. Well, he got himself into this mess and it's lucky he's got good friends to get him out of it. Someone said W didn't do much, how could he until he was free to move about? When he finally could do something he was his usual masterful self. I like this new W, there was a hardness to him we haven't seen before and it suits him, and yet he still had compassion for Davis. W was never naive but he did have an innocence about him despite his job, I think that innocence was lost in the last two episodes. His threat to Miss Marsh should she not be truthful about helping him was the first time I remember him threatening a woman that wasn't a criminal. I loved the commanding way he put Graham down and when George apologized for hitting Graham W's reply was chillingly unlike him in content and tone. I can't help but play that over and over and every time I pump my fist and say "YES!" I loved the way the last scene of Hell to Pay was repeated with the roles reversed, quite apropos I think. Peter Mitchell, believe it or not you're one, if not my favourite, writer. I think you outdid yourself with this episode! See, the "bromance" scene with George worked for me. I think he got more of a reaction than Julia or Brax is because he was seeing a man returned from the dead. He was worried about Brax and Julia absolutely, but since he'd never received confirmation of their deaths, he could still hold out hope for them. You're right. I used to like Henry as a fun counter to George, but became particularly annoyed with him last season and I wondered if they were going to fire him. In truth, Henry should have been fired last year, his incompetence was so great. However, I'd prefer to see him redeemed this season. He made a nice start in 11x01. As for the comments you allude to in regards to William, I think that was me. No, he didn't do a whole lot until he was once again free to move about, but not that I meant that as a slight to him...I thought it a sign of the impact he'd made on the others that they all emulated his methods and asked themselves "WWWD?" or what would William do and then acted as such. I also liked this harder edge to William: he still has compassion for others but is willing to be forceful when needed in threatening Miss Marsh, ignoring George's actions on Graham, and especially that reversal of roles with Graham at the end. He's still our good man, but one who won't take the evil actions of others so passively. I really enjoyed it as well. As much as PM likes to refer to himself as a "heartless bastard" (his own words), he does know how to deliver the goods when he feels so inclined. Thanks, Peter! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 3, 2017 12:37:32 GMT
"Are you sure that's wise?" William in response. Which raises the question, is William merely concerned about her safety (natch), but is he also aroused by Victor/Victoria? I honestly don't know... Are you back on about the tie....?  Are you going to lie and claim that you haven't missed the tie? Come on, the tie is everything in this show.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 3, 2017 12:40:12 GMT
Are you back on about the tie....? I have to admit W's reaction to J when he first saw her and said she had changed was odd, his eyes kind of lit up. I was then surprised by his response about being sure about changing, he gave her a good look over. Maybe HE should have fondled HER tie! So is this why Julia has taken to wearing feminized suits with neckties? She knows all about W's predilection? Come to think of it, did she wear ties before they married, or after? |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 3, 2017 12:49:34 GMT
Tamzin Outhwaite has been in a lot of things over the years. I've long been a fan of hers. If I were to look at some of her work, what would be on your short list? I first discovered her in a series called Red Cap. She's a badass, Bamfy British Army cop stationed on a base in Germany who has just returned from a deployment wherein her boyfriend was killed. Needless to say she has some PTSD and is trying to reconcile herself to life in peacetime. www.imdb.com/title/tt0327354/You can find the episodes on Youtube, as the series was never released on DVD, which is a damned shame. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 3, 2017 12:52:39 GMT
I have to admit W's reaction to J when he first saw her and said she had changed was odd, his eyes kind of lit up. I was then surprised by his response about being sure about changing, he gave her a good look over. Maybe HE should have fondled HER tie! That would have been nice twist!  Hi. I'm Fallenbelle, and I approve this message. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 3, 2017 17:16:24 GMT
Are you back on about the tie....? Are you going to lie and claim that you haven't missed the tie? Come on, the tie is everything in this show. LOL! I'm not sure about everything but it seems to be the only sexy thing that happens between W & J, other than W's hot kisses on J's neck in Pipe Dreams. Kudos to whomever put that in there, so simple and yet so sexy.  Passion and sexiness doesn't always have to be about kissing and ... sex. I often think the significance of the tie eludes people. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 3, 2017 17:20:54 GMT
I have to admit W's reaction to J when he first saw her and said she had changed was odd, his eyes kind of lit up. I was then surprised by his response about being sure about changing, he gave her a good look over. Maybe HE should have fondled HER tie! That would have been nice twist! You know if I'd been the writer that's exactly what I would have done. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 3, 2017 17:27:29 GMT
You're right. I used to like Henry as a fun counter to George, but became particularly annoyed with him last season and I wondered if they were going to fire him. In truth, Henry should have been fired last year, his incompetence was so great. However, I'd prefer to see him redeemed this season. He made a nice start in 11x01. The funny thing here is I don't get angry with Henry, I get angry at the writers for what they've done to him. I hope they bring him back to what he used to be. I don't mind lazy, however he's no longer young and green so shouldn't be making those same mistakes. He had never really been a cad either, other than thinking he's a ladies man, which we know he isn't. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 3, 2017 23:28:43 GMT
I'm being very nit-picky here, but my complaint with Miss Marsh was that she felt too squeezed in- Graham and Williams still saw more screen time than she did. I don't see how her character was absolutely necessary...I think the core four could have gotten William out of trouble via other means. But as I've said, I'm a fan of the actress and I suppose I wish that she'd had more focus. I'm not unhappy with what they did, per se... I'm really looking forward to how they'll make this season darker and edgier, but also a bit nervous at the same time. Eep! But yes, maybe that won't mean imminent danger for our beloved foursome (they've had enough of late IMO), but that the subjects they tackle are what's darker and edgier...much like was the case in the earlier seasons. So far, I'm loving what they've done with the season. I agree Miss Marsh's role was a bit squeezed but I think her role was actually pivotal as a 'double agent' as it were. She was brought in by Franklin Williams, presumably without knowledge of the existing level of corruption and expected to follow the 'stand down' order. Very simple. It takes a much more complex character to delve below the surface, as she did, to form her own opinion. Then we went even further by actively assisting our heroes. Bravo Miss Marsh! |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 3, 2017 23:31:21 GMT
Are you back on about the tie....? Are you going to lie and claim that you haven't missed the tie? Come on, the tie is everything in this show. Who me? I'm just grinning that we're ALL coming back together! |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 3, 2017 23:32:23 GMT
I have to admit W's reaction to J when he first saw her and said she had changed was odd, his eyes kind of lit up. I was then surprised by his response about being sure about changing, he gave her a good look over. Maybe HE should have fondled HER tie! So is this why Julia has taken to wearing feminized suits with neckties? She knows all about W's predilection? Come to think of it, did she wear ties before they married, or after? Both! |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 3, 2017 23:33:33 GMT
If I were to look at some of her work, what would be on your short list? I first discovered her in a series called Red Cap. She's a badass, Bamfy British Army cop stationed on a base in Germany who has just returned from a deployment wherein her boyfriend was killed. Needless to say she has some PTSD and is trying to reconcile herself to life in peacetime. www.imdb.com/title/tt0327354/You can find the episodes on Youtube, as the series was never released on DVD, which is a damned shame. Thanks, I'll look. |
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Post by sweetpea on Dec 6, 2017 5:17:08 GMT
Just watched this episode in Australia. Fantastic. Peter Mitchell outdid himself. Great to see all the core characters together in Murdochs hotel room. The really need to shift out of the hotel. Perhaps he will build that house this season. Seeing Julia dressed as a man reminded me of "Victor, Victorian" when George says to her..."you look like a pretty man".Love the look on Julias face with the "bromance" of William and George.
really looking forward to the the rest of this season.
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Passion and sexiness doesn't always have to be about kissing and ... sex.
