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Post by Lucy on Apr 19, 2011 22:35:38 GMT
Uhmmm I will have to create new episode descriptions at some point, the body they find wasn't the convent gardener it was a priest
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Post by hannikan on Apr 20, 2011 2:07:15 GMT
Wow, that was a really sad ending. And I'm still confused a little about the murder. I'll have to watch it again. There were some funny parts though. The first half of the episode had some humor to it. So it's Susannah who is 34 and William is 37. That makes sense. He left when home he was 17 to go to the logging camp and she was 14. And she left home to become a nun before or after William left? But weren't they both raised by nuns after their mother's death when they were very small? I guess William got a different education as a boy than Susannah did as a girl, which would have been typical. Wasn't William like 9? So Susannah would hardly remember her mother or her father one would think being only 6.
Susannah seems pretty young to be a Mother Superior at 34. Aren't they usually quite old? I did miss the regular MM music in the ending credits. I think it would have felt a little less somber at the end that way, too. I mean it was terribly sad but it made her strange behavior earlier on make more sense. She wouldn't look William in the eye a lot and she was pushing him away. Her behavior did make me think for awhile that she was the killer. I wonder what she is ill with and whether William might try to find something to help her. I was thinking would Sister Theresa/Mary Albert really hang for killing Father Logan/Tommy Tasker? It was self-defense in her case, too, even though she was guilty of theft being his partner in crime to that. I would have thought William would have been a little sympathetic to her considering her was beating her.
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Post by hannikan on Apr 20, 2011 4:11:59 GMT
I'm sorry but I laughed when the nun screamed at the hand in the grave. It was just funny given the very pious, serene singing going on at the same time. I also thought it was funny when that same nun was patronizing William until he let her know he was also Catholic. And then she was funny when she said, "Sister Theresa is Anglican, so she needs all the help she can get."
And Brackenreid was hilarious when he said, "They're nuns, Murdoch, if they tell a fib they go to... limbo, don't they?" William: "More likely purgatory briefly then-" B: "I don't understand all these choices. We Protestants have heaven or hell, up on down. No messing around." It was funny to me because this is the kind of thing I tell my husband (who grew up Catholic).
I thought it was funny when Brackenreid was showing off Murdoch's night vision glasses and Susannah said "What on Earth would you need those for? Have you no lanterns, Inspector?" Then when Crabtree and Murdoch are in the garden where he's talking about his murder mystery novel William says "Your murder mystery novel is beginning to sound peculiar, George." Crabtree says, "Thank you, sir." LOL
And Higgins saying "these Catholics believe in abstinence for their priests to bring them closer to God, right? But those practicing abstinence don't have children so by Darwin's theory of natural selection they won't pass on their inclination towards taking holy orders. Pretty soon no one wants to be a priest." Hee-hee that sounds like a Crabtree theory right there!
It's hard to hear George's response through the wall but he says "Are we running out of priests, Henry?! Is this a problem? Is there some worldwide shortage of priests?" Henry: "You're missing the point, George." William: "George, Henry, can you hear my voice?" George: "Yes sir. Are you trapped underground somewhere?!" His face when he said that was priceless.
Susannah: "I hardly think Sister Catherine's conduit to God was a drainage pipe."
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Post by akarana on Apr 20, 2011 8:04:55 GMT
Just watched the episode and I agree with those who said that the relationship of Suzanna and William wasn't explored enough. One thing I would have loved to see is William telling her all the things he found out about their father these last few years. That he didn't kill their mother, that they have another half-brother etc. Sadly, that didn't happen
As hannikan pointed out on another thread it was the age of "not talking about things", however with every episode I'm wondering more when the point will come when William will break from all the stuff he keeps bottled up. The woman he loves is engaged to marry another, a woman he deeply cares about had to go into a kind of witness protection and he has no idea what will become of her. He is stuck being a detective because of his believes and finally his sister is dying. I'm wondering how much more he can take.
I think the episode was ok, but I'm really frustrated by the lack of progress in the relationship of William and Julia. By now I am hoping for any kind of movement, one way or another. She should either marry Darcy and stop pining for William, or she should end her engagement and get back together with William. This "nothing is really happening" is getting on my nerves.
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Post by camilla on Apr 20, 2011 11:34:17 GMT
I think the episode was ok, but I'm really frustrated by the lack of progress in the relationship of William and Julia. By now I am hoping for any kind of movement, one way or another. She should either marry Darcy and stop pining for William, or she should end her engagement and get back together with William. This "nothing is really happening" is getting on my nerves. Totally agree!I really don't understand the writers this time:we have a had a show all about William and Julia in the last 2 seasons and now,when we have a maybe last season and an interesting plot(Julia engagement) we don't see nothing about this couple..strange thing and disappointed thing for the couple's fans!And only 3 episodes to go.. |
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Post by cpfan on Apr 20, 2011 11:35:01 GMT
But weren't they both raised by nuns after their mother's death when they were very small? I guess William got a different education as a boy than Susannah did as a girl, which would have been typical. Wasn't William like 9? So Susannah would hardly remember her mother or her father one would think being only 6. As I understood it, William was raised by the priests and Susanna by their aunt. I wondered about her comment that their mother always hoped he'd become a priest too, especially since it was never mentioned before. But somehow that's the way we get fed infos about Williams past. Bits and pieces every so often, never giving away too much, forcing us to come back each week. Other than making sure that we want to come back to see the next episodes to learn more, this makes sure the character has a chance to develop. Just watched the episode and I agree with those who said that the relationship of Suzanna and William wasn't explored enough. One thing I would have loved to see is William telling her all the things he found out about their father these last few years. That he didn't kill their mother, that they have another half-brother etc. Sadly, that didn't happen With the way Susanna pushed him back in the beginning and the investigation, there was probalby hardly much time for private conversations. Maybe they found time after their prayer. I guess that's what fanfics are fore, filling the gasps.  I'm wondering how much more he can take. I wondered about that too for some time now, but somehow I doubt the show could work the way it does with an overly happy William, as much as he deserves it. He always has to pay the hard way for a few moments of happiness. |
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Post by lilmon on Apr 20, 2011 16:18:33 GMT
For whom are interested...: in the books it is revealed that Susannah went to convent at a young age as a nun (novice at first) and William was educated separately from her, by the Jesuits. The two children stayed at their aunt after their mother'd death, but just for a shorter period. Susannah had been living in absolute "clausura", so they couldn't have any connection. In the 4th book William gets a message about his sister dying, he visits her, but cannot see her (!) properly just through some kind of fence. Susannah dies of cancer (maybe breath-cancer) but they can speak just through this fence. This is a very sad scene.... So William and Susannah didn't have a real relationship and it is logical (based ont he novels), that they don't speak about personal matters. Not every rel. order is the same and I dunno the name of the order Susannah is a member of, though.
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Post by amanda on Apr 20, 2011 18:40:01 GMT
I took it that William is 37.
I thought also that the scenes with William and julia although scarce did portray their relationship as close and she was certainly sympathetic towards him. He had clearly told her at some point he had a sister.
I found the last scene very moving and thought it was executed excellently with amazing emotion and skill.
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Post by gwynhyfer on Apr 20, 2011 19:05:08 GMT
It was a bit of a let down this week. Not the usual bits of humour or hints of what is between Julia and William. We all know it's there so we're going to be mighty disappointed if they don't get together  Feel like we've been just watching the Julia/William thing unfold (or frustratingly not...) so we've forgotten that this is essentially crime fiction!!  Ah well. Wait for next weeks episode.... |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 20, 2011 19:57:59 GMT
It's really funny to go from this board to the Alibi one because people have such different thoughts on the episodes. People loved last night's episode there. Saying things like it's in their top 5 for the show. I wouldn't say that but I still thought it was good. And as I indicated from the quotes I shared, I thought there was lots of humor in the first half of the episode. The ending was very moving. Perhaps we will see Susannah once more before she passes away, in a way similar to in the book. No, there wasn't much of William and Julia but I don't think there needs to be in each episode. We know the writers are drawing things out with them. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and the absence of them together makes the viewers want it more. I think we'll see the most in the final 2 episodes of the season. That's my prediction anyway.
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Post by lifeisridic on Apr 20, 2011 23:05:10 GMT
I wouldn't call the crime top 5 in the show. It was a good enough mystery. But the whole episode felt flat. I love the show as much for the crime as for the characters. I just have seen better for both than last night
There are only several crime shows where I welcome romance and character depth, normally I don't want any romance as it gets in the way of the show. But this show is an exception. I can't resist a romance if it's an epic one.
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Post by camilla on Apr 20, 2011 23:11:07 GMT
There are only several crime shows where I welcome romance and character depth, normally I don't want any romance as it gets in the way of the show. But this show is an exception. I can't resist a romance if it's an epic one. Nice to' know,i think Murdoch is great for the romantic storyline..however i like to' see in every shows some romance..  |
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Post by lifeisridic on Apr 21, 2011 20:00:40 GMT
In normal shows I want romance. I just prefer it mostly out of crime shows. William/Julia are an exception because the romance is so well woven into the show without taking away from the storylines.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 21, 2011 20:03:10 GMT
totally agree with you. their romance is the reason i got into the show in the first place.
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Post by lifeisridic on Apr 21, 2011 23:23:11 GMT
I got into because I adore crime shows and especially old ones. W/J were a lovely bonus.
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Feel like we've been just watching the Julia/William thing unfold (or frustratingly not...) so we've forgotten that this is essentially crime fiction!! 
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