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Post by hannikan on May 14, 2011 19:57:26 GMT
I was thinking he would be easy on the eyes in a lumberjack outfit, too!  I was thinking William might decide to go out west to British Columbia where Harry has been with Jasper. Since he used to work in logging, I'm sure he could do that again. They wouldn't keep William out there long I don't think, but maybe for an episode or two. I think Brackenreid would back William up, but Chief Stockton wouldn't. Maybe William will do something so amazing to help Jasper with a case, that he will be pardoned for helping Ava escape. Then he will be back to detective in station 4. When he returns Julia will have returned from her honeymoon and will find out soon after William comes back about what he did for Ava. I think Darcy will leave Julia after she insists on speaking to William after finding out why he didn't come to the church (probably through Ruby who will find out through George). When Julia finds out about Ava and the reason that William was determined to help her escape, Julia will understand it and admire him. She could identify with Ava's disfigurement/inability to have children due to her brutal abortion and being attacked by a man (Snakes and Ladders). Darcy will continue to see William as a criminal who helped a murderer escape. Tension will build between Darcy and Julia until he finally gives up on the marriage. I suppose they could also have Darcy die (either be killed or die in an accident or from a disease) to have Julia's experience mirror William's losing Liza. Then William would have to wait for Julia to grieve the loss of Darcy for some time. It would be similar to the slow pace of William and Julia getting together through S1 and early S2. If William and Darcy were to have a physical fight over Julia, Darcy could be badly injured. I could picture Darcy attacking William because of the tension in his marriage due to Julia wanting to speak to William about helping Ava and his fears that she still had feelings for William. It could be partly accidental (Darcy falls back and hits his head) in the scuffle. If Darcy died William would feel horrible guilt, as would Julia. This would again stall their relationship before they could put those feelings of guilt behind them. |
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Post by cpfan on May 15, 2011 9:08:41 GMT
I could picture Darcy attacking William because of the tension in his marriage due to Julia wanting to speak to William about helping Ava and his fears that she still had feelings for William. It could be partly accidental (Darcy falls back and hits his head) in the scuffle. If Darcy died William would feel horrible guilt, as would Julia. This would again stall their relationship before they could put those feelings of guilt behind them. I don't even want to picture that. With what happened in the last episode I think something like this would once again endager his position as a cop. I really can't imagine Murdoch Mysteries without William being a detective. I may give the writers an episode or two to settle this, but even if he'd be degraded to a constable position, this would be pretty awkward. Also, why the rush to get William and Julia together? I understand that it's important for the shipers, but this isn't Murdoch Romances. I f all goes well we may have 3 more seasons to settle this little detail. Btw, the idea of William working as a lumberjack in the interim has it's appeal and I was wondering, if he'd go up North to find some work, how odd would be the chances to meet Anna again? Since Julia is married now and we've been told that season 5 is supposed to be lighter, I can imagine William to settle with her. Afterall, he was attracted to her and he has to move on sometime. |
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Post by bea on May 15, 2011 13:09:09 GMT
Did anyone else notice that William tells Brackenreid to pour them both a drink at the end of the episode? Obviously not a tee-totaller anymore then! I think there must be major changes afoot, or it was a massive mistake on the part of the writers.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 15, 2011 14:13:00 GMT
well, Murdoch has had a drink on occassion. he even did so earlier that episode. he has never been a complete teetotaler. and the end of the episode certaintly qualified as a special occasion. however if he does get suspended i could see him drinking more frequently than usual, especially considering he's potentially lost the love of his life.
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Post by hannikan on May 15, 2011 19:16:35 GMT
I don't even want to picture that. With what happened in the last episode I think something like this would once again endanger his position as a cop. I really can't imagine Murdoch Mysteries without William being a detective. I may give the writers an episode or two to settle this, but even if he'd be degraded to a constable position, this would be pretty awkward. Also, why the rush to get William and Julia together? I understand that it's important for the shippers, but this isn't Murdoch Romances. I f all goes well we may have 3 more seasons to settle this little detail. Btw, the idea of William working as a lumberjack in the interim has it's appeal and I was wondering, if he'd go up North to find some work, how odd would be the chances to meet Anna again? Since Julia is married now and we've been told that season 5 is supposed to be lighter, I can imagine William to settle with her. Afterall, he was attracted to her and he has to move on sometime. I'm not in a hurry to get them back together but you know they will at some point. I'd rather it not happen only at the very, very end of the show because I'd like to see them deal with being married and trying to have children. That would be a different kind of challenge. I don't think the show has ever been taken over by their romance. It's one of the main threads of continuity across seasons though. But I think that could change next season if George's storylines get more weight and maybe something for Brackenreid again like we saw with the campaign. We are pretty sure of a S5 but beyond that who knows? I hope there are 1-2 more years beyond that but I realize that that may not happen. |
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Post by petruck on May 16, 2011 18:02:32 GMT
I for one would love them to get together now. There are so many potential problems that can face a forward thinking couple in Victorian England, their different social standings, their different religions, their diverse personalities and even their different sense of honor and right and wrong would be an amazing background story for whatever Mystery, Murdoch is working on. The potential for emotional conflicts are endless, sadly it seems to be a step most TV series writers have not had the courage to take.  |
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Post by felicity18 on May 16, 2011 18:13:36 GMT
I just don't understand how William can just throw away his career like that and I hope that things will get better for him. Is it just me or is there something, for lack of a better word, fishy about Darcy? Ever since he came into the story something hasn't felt right about him and its more than just his personnality. Something just doesn't feel right about him.
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Post by kaybee on May 16, 2011 18:49:02 GMT
my problem with Darcy is that for the most part he seemed strictly two-dimensional, with no real substance to the character. His reaction to William's prior relationship with Julia was the first sign of any thing not superficial. I had assumed (hoped?) that that was due to the writer's not spending a great deal of time on a character that wouldn't be sticking around, but I didn't think Julia would actually wind up married to him.
A bigger issue than the potential romance(s) involving William is how the writers manage to deal with his letting Ava Moon go. Chief Constable Stockton is not fond of William to begin with, so I can well imagine him taking this opportunity to get rid of him. But, that leaves the concept of Murdoch Mysteries up in the air. I can't see William being off the force, since that leaves out interaction between him and George, Brackenreid, Higgins, and even Julia! I can't see them reinventing the wheel after 4 successful seasons.
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Post by hannikan on May 16, 2011 19:04:48 GMT
my problem with Darcy is that for the most part he seemed strictly two-dimensional, with no real substance to the character. His reaction to William's prior relationship with Julia was the first sign of any thing not superficial. I had assumed (hoped?) that that was due to the writer's not spending a great deal of time on a character that wouldn't be sticking around, but I didn't think Julia would actually wind up married to him. Yeah, I think what felicity18 might be picking up is that in being an enigma he may have a dark side. I thought perhaps he would stay underdeveloped because he wouldn't stick around. But I do wonder now if it's because there's more than meets the eye (in a negative way). The writers could certainly go in that direction as a way to eventually get rid of him. If he does something criminal Julia wouldn't be forced to stay with him. A bigger issue than the potential romance(s) involving William is how the writers manage to deal with his letting Ava Moon go. Chief Constable Stockton is not fond of William to begin with, so I can well imagine him taking this opportunity to get rid of him. But, that leaves the concept of Murdoch Mysteries up in the air. I can't see William being off the force, since that leaves out interaction between him and George, Brackenreid, Higgins, and even Julia! I can't see them reinventing the wheel after 4 successful seasons. No, I don't think they will have him away from his detective work for long. I think a side tour to the West may happen for a few episodes to bring Jasper and/or Harry back for a little bit. But they'll find a way to bring William back to Station 4. Someone suggested that maybe Ava won't actually leave. Maybe she will show up at the church and tell Julia what William tried to do for her. That's possibility, too, I guess. There are plenty of options the writers have to work with and they are probably sorting through them right now much as we are!  |
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Post by Lucy on May 27, 2011 14:04:28 GMT
I would love them to bring Jasper and Harry back at some point |
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Post by felicity18 on May 27, 2011 16:00:02 GMT
my problem with Darcy is that for the most part he seemed strictly two-dimensional, with no real substance to the character. His reaction to William's prior relationship with Julia was the first sign of any thing not superficial. I had assumed (hoped?) that that was due to the writer's not spending a great deal of time on a character that wouldn't be sticking around, but I didn't think Julia would actually wind up married to him. Yeah, I think what felicity18 might be picking up is that in being an enigma he may have a dark side. I thought perhaps he would stay underdeveloped because he wouldn't stick around. But I do wonder now if it's because there's more than meets the eye (in a negative way). The writers could certainly go in that direction as a way to eventually get rid of him. If he does something criminal Julia wouldn't be forced to stay with him. This is exactly what I've been saying all along about Darcy ever since we saw him in that episode for the first time. You never know he may be involved with Sally Pendrick. A bigger issue than the potential romance(s) involving William is how the writers manage to deal with his letting Ava Moon go. Chief Constable Stockton is not fond of William to begin with, so I can well imagine him taking this opportunity to get rid of him. But, that leaves the concept of Murdoch Mysteries up in the air. I can't see William being off the force, since that leaves out interaction between him and George, Brackenreid, Higgins, and even Julia! I can't see them reinventing the wheel after 4 successful seasons. I agree that William wont be away from detective work for very long. He'll eventually come back to Toronto and resume his position as detective for Station 4. Thats one of the things that I love most about this series is that you never know what will happen next. felicity18 |
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Post by Terence's Top Hat on Sept 1, 2011 20:59:43 GMT
Wow, Canada here. I just watched the season finale last night. Unfortunately, I already knew the ending since I ran into a spoiler by mistake at another message board.
I must say I really enjoyed this episode. I was hoping to see more flirting going on between Ruby and Crabtree, but other than being interviewed and them finding the ring in Murdoch's desk, nothing happened. Bummer. I hope they bring Ruby back for more episodes of Season 5. She and Crabtree have some major chemistry going, and they are such opposites. Ruby, wordly, many lovers, etc., while George is every bit the gentleman. Makes me wonder (I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules by saying this...) if he's innocent. Heh. Would be neat to have Ruby teach George the ways LOL.
As for Julia, I feel bad with how the writers seemed to muck up her character. She is a strong and courageous woman, but with the way they wrote her for this season, it was a bit disappointing.
The conversation between Murdoch and the other detective was very powerful. You could just see the wheels turning in Murdoch's mind and what he would do for that woman.
I really liked how Brackenreid kept inteferring with the investigation to clear Murdoch. And the scene with him and his wife in the church was too cute. I love when they show Brackenreid's personal life. He's my fave character.
Hopefully us Canucks won't have to wait forever for the season five to start next year. With the way CityTV kept pushing the date, and then switching it from Tuesday to Wednesday, it was quite disappointing.
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Post by hannikan on Sept 1, 2011 21:52:17 GMT
Hi Nugget! I agree I was hoping for more with Ruby and George. He does seem quite inexperienced. I think she's more innocent than she makes herself out to be actually. I don't think she has actually had lovers who were married, etc... But we'll see. I do hope we get more Cruby (Ruby + Crabtree) in the future. I also like seeing Thomas' personal life. I think his wife is great. I hope we see her more, too. I agree about being disappointed with Julia. I'm not sure what to think about her motivation behind marrying Darcy. The only thing I can think is that over the course of S4 she's decided that she does want to be a mother and Darcy suggested adopting. That could have made her decide to marry him. Anyway, I'm excited for S5. Still hoping a U.S. station will pick the show up, too. Apparently some public TV stations show it but I've never seen it on mine.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 9, 2012 18:56:18 GMT
Agreed Lucy! It's just a TV show afterall. still, I would very much like to have an interview or something where the writers could explain their reasoning, becaus once more it makes no sense to me. Castle is an example, brobert is right, Bones, NCIS, Judging Amy would be others. And sometimes they dragged it out fot 7 or 8 seasons and then when they were axed they were like "Aw, sorry fans, we wanted them to get together THIS season. It was all about the journey, after all". That's just crap. Gonna watch it now and then most likely will come back with a rant I have read in a other message board, cant remember which one but the wife of one of the producers were saying that they had to go that route and deal with it but to hang on because they will b some great things to happen between w/j in season5. I believe in the writers and I think its not that bad because season 5 have started and episode 7 and 8 and Murdoch in toyland r supposed to b great for the shippers. I think its great to have all that sexual tension still happening in season 5. I really think that the engagement ring that William got for Julia will eventually be used for her but I dont think we will see a wedding...too cheesy. He will definatly give the ring that he kept for such a long time otherwise he would have got his money back a long time ago and he can't use Julias ring to give anyone else anyway. Hang in there people. I have good feelings about the w/j relationship. |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 9, 2012 20:08:25 GMT
I have read in a other message board, cant remember which one but the wife of one of the producers were saying that they had to go that route and deal with it but to hang on because they will b some great things to happen between w/j in season5. That was the husband of the author of the MM books who said that. They have seen all the S5 episodes before they air on TV. |
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I was thinking William might decide to go out west to British Columbia where Harry has been with Jasper. Since he used to work in logging, I'm sure he could do that again. They wouldn't keep William out there long I don't think, but maybe for an episode or two. I think Brackenreid would back William up, but Chief Stockton wouldn't. Maybe William will do something so amazing to help Jasper with a case, that he will be pardoned for helping Ava escape. Then he will be back to detective in station 4. When he returns Julia will have returned from her honeymoon and will find out soon after William comes back about what he did for Ava.
