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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 19, 2012 3:28:11 GMT
Yeah, and even if the next we hear of Anna is a message to William saying she's been killed, William's life is now in danger because he killed one of their operatives. He's now going to be hunted down by the Black Hand. If Falcone lets this slide or fails after a certain length of time to have them both executed, he'll be killed by the Black Hand. It's a horrible, vicious cycle. Event hat poor kid, Jake is probably in danger now for his part in William and Anna's scheme. Falcone knows he was involved. He doesn't know about Julia's part, so she's not in danger. In a symbolic way, now William and Julia have committed themselves to some very serious entanglements that could have severe consequences. hmm, i think i'm starting to see why they needed a time machine this season. ;D |
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Post by Lucy on Apr 19, 2012 9:24:47 GMT
Maybe someone could explain this to me...
At the end of the episode the Black Hand guy said that the debt had been paid. I don't quite understand? Is that because they faked her death or what... I'm confused
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Post by barbarama on Apr 19, 2012 15:15:06 GMT
I would think so yes. They have faked her death so now the Black Hand won't go after her. I hope it is the end of Anna coming back though, even if I like her character I think that story is done. Talking about last night episode, I did like it even if last week was better for me somehow, can't pinpoint why though. I'm intrigued to see what will happen with Julia I really loved how she pushed that man in the street and that she is strong enough to continue to fight for her beliefs even though her relationship with Darcy is definitely not warm at the moment (not that I mind  ) Is she in next week episode or is she coming back in "Staircase to heaven"? |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 19, 2012 19:15:54 GMT
Maybe someone could explain this to me... At the end of the episode the Black Hand guy said that the debt had been paid. I don't quite understand? Is that because they faked her death or what... I'm confused It would be because the constabulary didn't charge him with her death. But I don't think the Black Hand will keep his word when they find out she's not actually dead. |
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Post by Lucy on Apr 19, 2012 19:26:49 GMT
Maybe someone could explain this to me... At the end of the episode the Black Hand guy said that the debt had been paid. I don't quite understand? Is that because they faked her death or what... I'm confused But I don't think the Black Hand will keep his word when they find out she's not actually dead. Ohhh I seee! Thanks, don't know why I didn't think about that before! No once they find out she's alive they will be after her again |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 19, 2012 20:01:23 GMT
Yeah and the fact that the police let him go even though they know he was hunting her down, would be part of the return favor. Of course, he also knew they had no proof against him. He wasn't the trigger man in the attempt on Anna in the library. And all he did was say her name to confirm it was her. That's how the top guys in the mob could often orchestrate many deaths that they were never tied to.
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Post by petunia on Apr 19, 2012 23:14:38 GMT
Looking at all the comments, I must be in the minority because I did not like the two parter. While the overarching ideas (Anna's return, Julia's marriage, the choir ladies murders) are excellent, it is the execution that I do not like. I thought that William's behaviour through both episodes was off character. Up until now he has been the "buttoned up" person unable to express his love for the women he loves (Julia) and the straight and narrow policeman.
Now in the space of two episodes he is willing to be corrupted by the Black Hand for Anna. Only a few episodes ago he was willing to throw away his and Brackenried's carreer to come clean about freeing Ava Moon. It's too quick of a change for me.
I also find his behaviour with Anna off character. Holding her hand while walking down the street!!! Kissing Anna all the time. It took him two seasons to get the courage to kiss Julia!
This whole two parter just seemed like the writers' response to the very loud demands of the pro-Anna fans.
Writers, writers writers... stop listening to us fans. Go back and re-watch S1 to S4 and see how it's done. Other than the electric car and the JFK shooting episodes I have found all the other epis so far this year "raw" and "unpolished".
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Post by hannikan on Apr 20, 2012 0:03:50 GMT
Mm, interesting. I think William has always been more easy and comfortable with Anna and therefore more impulsive with her. William/Anna fans would say that's why they belong together. But I think his passion for Julia is stronger because he is a bit in awe of her, even after all these years. I think Anna and William would be sort of too comfy and dull over the long term. I think they'd end up being a little like brother and sister. I don't know. They are cute together but I still think the William/Julia relationship is more intriguing.
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Post by kaybee on Apr 20, 2012 1:32:20 GMT
I really loved both parts of this two-parter. I loved that Julia was back in a different role. It's funny but the first part had me thinking positively about Darcy while the second part completely reversed that. I think he may wind up being killed in error by that husband that Julia pushed into the veggie cart. I definitely liked that William trusted her to help him pull off Anna's "death".
One thing I had not expected to enjoy as much as I did (as an avowed William and Julia fan) was the relationship William had with Anna. It was very comfortable. I still think of Julia as the love of his life but it was nice to see him in a happy relationship again. (I think that's part of what made season three special for me).
I also definitely enjoyed the baseball with the cameraderie of station 4.
Best of all I thought the mystery itself was great - I had no clue until the end.
I really hope all the stuff with the Black Hand is now in the past - if it comes back again it would be overkill.
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Post by hannikan on Apr 20, 2012 8:10:54 GMT
I liked Darcy at the beginning of the 1st part, but by the end I already knew trouble was coming. As soon as he talked about his promotion being more important than her work and how she had to sacrifice her beliefs and ambitions for his, I no longer liked him. He completely put his needs and wants above hers and commanded her (albeit politely) not to act as she felt she should. He's also too wishy-washy. He's too scared of the social fall out. Julia will not accept any of that for too much longer, I don't think. I actually hope the Black Hand stuff isn't over. I don't want a whole bunch of episodes about it but one or two more in the next season would be good. There will be a different element if they're after William now. Which, after his killing the assassin, they should be. And they'd still be after Anna once they found out she wasn't dead. I liked the camaraderie in the baseball game, too. It was also fun how William's science nerdiness got in there, too.
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Post by lilmon on Apr 20, 2012 19:34:55 GMT
I always thought that when William made a deal with the Black Hand it was just a trick and he didn't take it seriously. Knowing William's intelligence I think that he had already formulated or started to formulate some kind of plans.
It is true that Will is "buttoned up" but a person can change, mainly if he had been hurt emotionally. And he had been hurt, definitely, by Julia.
I agree with you all, I like Anna but she and Will seem to be too comfy...
lilmon
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 20, 2012 20:52:40 GMT
yeah, i had the same idea. though more so after it was revealed that they faked her death than before. this would also fit much better with his personality and beliefs. he's already compromised himself so recently that it's hard to believe that he'd intentionally do so again, with little thought to the matter.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 21, 2012 1:21:31 GMT
Do we actually know how William contacted Julia to help him and Anna at the baseball game to fake Anna's death?? Did she receive a message during the episode because I can't remember having a clue about it?!!! Did he ask the young boy Jake to go and deliver a message to Julia to come to the baseball game and pretend something drastic will happen and she would have to play a game of some sort?!! Hummm.
I hope Julia's protest will carry on real soon and we wont have to wait another 4 episodes before it continues!!!
Agree with everyone else about Darcy/Julia. Looks pretty bad already. Julia must be so unhappy not to have some fun and closeness in her life like she used to have with William. Such a shame.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 21, 2012 1:44:35 GMT
I also agree with Petunia and Hannikan about liking Darcy in part 1 and disliking him in part 2.
I exactly felt the same but in part 2, he felt so threatened by her and her beliefs that he didnt want her to come to a venue just in case she speaks about her views again. She knew it and I think she regretted to have married someone, point blank.
I dont even undestand why Darcy would marry a woman with such strong convictions!!!.
Surely he must have known he didnt want to marry someone like Julia for the simple fact that she was hard to handle!!!!!
Does he really love Julia? I wonder or may b , he comes from such a well off upbringing , That" Love" is 2nd best for him and he went for Julia because of her intelligence and the fact that she was a doctor and she would be appreciated by Darcy's parents. Also she was the right age for him and they just wanted their son to marry a beautiful ,intelligent and smart lady to carry the Garland's name.!!!
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Post by hannikan on Apr 21, 2012 2:44:33 GMT
I don't think Darcy realized when they married how outspoken Julia can be. She probably didn't do anything in the time they courted (sometime with that 6 month period that was off screen between S3-4) and when they were engaged. She is soft spoken (has a soft voice), is very polite and congenial. He probably was totally surprised to find that she is also tough and very determined about things that matter to her. I am the same way. People are often surprised when I get "riled up" because it only happens from time to time and only about things that really matter to me. Darcy just doesn't know Julia like William does. I have a feeling that may become more and more evident.
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