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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 21, 2012 19:51:39 GMT
they never said how she knew to be there or what to do. if they had, we would have known that something was afoot and been suspicious that it was all faked. So, i'm not sure who would have told Julia to be there because i think it'd be strange for William to call on her at her own home. If Anna went there, the black hand would be suspicious and it would also be strange that she'd call on Julia at her own home. Same goes for some random boy that she didn't know. So, William must have simply called her on the telephone to tell her their plans. He couldn't guarantee that she'd receive a message or letter in time and he wouldn't risk her not being there since she was pivotal to the scheme being believable.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 22, 2012 9:45:56 GMT
Bet she must have loved it when she heard from him. A bit of an adventure for her in her quite boring life so far because of Darcy who wants to make her miserable. lol.
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Post by gwynhyfer on Apr 22, 2012 15:05:25 GMT
I really don't understand why some people like William and Anna together. When he was sort of with her before he was always thinking of Julia and that is what split him and Anna up. We all know that Williams loves Julia and Julia loves William. It is clear the Julia/Darcy marriage is showing cracks and that there is still something between Julia and William (hence her setting up in private practice because she cannot bear to work near William) I thought the two parter was very disfragmented and didn't make a lot of sense. I didn't find it thatenjoyable and it is clear that there are different writers. I know a 'will they, won't they' can be a good storyline but surely after 5 seasons it is getting just a bit tiresome. Personally I would just like to see William and Julia alone at some point discussing the reason why he didn't go to the church for her after belately finding her note. His actions made her think he didn't love her which is the only reason she married Darcy. Has everyone forgotten the lovely boxed ring he carried everywhere with him for ages hoping to propose?!
Also people keep talking about William being in danger now over the Black Hand Gang - I seriously hope the writers don't go too far down this road or we could simply see Williams eventual demise, Julia still unhappily married to Darcy and ...well.. that would be a very unsatisfactory ending. The new writers are clearly intent on a bit more action rather than simple sleuthing with a bit of romance thrown in - I really hope they don't get too ridiculous in their quest to shake things up because it doesn't work for me at all. Already they are treadig into unbelieveable realms which is a bit irritating. If I want sci fi I'll go and read some H.G.Wells or watch Warehouse 13...
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Post by hannikan on Apr 22, 2012 18:49:56 GMT
I agree about William and Julia. I know there were people who already didn't like her at all and/or with William before William met Anna. They latched onto that possible relationship then. I don't think it would be a new thing to have William's life in danger due to the Black Hand though. Once they introduced that last season, it was a possibility. Plus he was injured severely and could have died in Bad Medicine in S1, he was taken hostage in The Rebel and the Prince in S1. Of course, in the Murdoch Identity, he was on the run from killers due to mistaken identity. In S2, Mrs. Kitchen's friend tried to poison him. I know these were contained within one episode, but I kind of like the thread to go for a little longer sometimes. I like a mix of shorter and longer plots. I don't know how to feel about the time machine at the end of the season though. That sci fi element could get too weird. Even his weird dreams/hallucinations in Convalescence were too weird to me. There are new writers but the old ones are still around, too. Who Killed the Electric Carriage was written by Paul Aitken and Cal Coons and Stroll on the Wild Side part 2 was written by Carole Hay who has been writing for the show since S2. It seems like it was mostly the episodes prior to WKTEC that were written by the new writers. Although Back and the the Left was written by Paul Aitken and Graham Clegg (who wrote a lot in S4).
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 22, 2012 20:23:02 GMT
oh it's at the end? i thought it was in next episode, given that it's about inventions. I really hope they don't do something super lame and make it real.  While i love sci-fi, it has no place in MM and if this turns out to be real, i'd lose a lot of respect for the writers (as i'm sure most fans would as well). i actually really liked these. they were the best part of the episode IMO. 
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 22, 2012 21:42:48 GMT
I really don't understand why some people like William and Anna together. When he was sort of with her before he was always thinking of Julia and that is what split him and Anna up. We all know that Williams loves Julia and Julia loves William. It is clear the Julia/Darcy marriage is showing cracks and that there is still something between Julia and William (hence her setting up in private practice because she cannot bear to work near William) I thought the two parter was very disfragmented and didn't make a lot of sense. I didn't find it thatenjoyable and it is clear that there are different writers. I know a 'will they, won't they' can be a good storyline but surely after 5 seasons it is getting just a bit tiresome. Personally I would just like to see William and Julia alone at some point discussing the reason why he didn't go to the church for her after belately finding her note. His actions made her think he didn't love her which is the only reason she married Darcy. Has everyone forgotten the lovely boxed ring he carried everywhere with him for ages hoping to propose?! Also people keep talking about William being in danger now over the Black Hand Gang - I seriously hope the writers don't go too far down this road or we could simply see Williams eventual demise, Julia still unhappily married to Darcy and ...well.. that would be a very unsatisfactory ending. The new writers are clearly intent on a bit more action rather than simple sleuthing with a bit of romance thrown in - I really hope they don't get too ridiculous in their quest to shake things up because it doesn't work for me at all. Already they are treadig into unbelieveable realms which is a bit irritating. If I want sci fi I'll go and read some H.G.Wells or watch Warehouse 13... I agree with u gwynhyfer.  But dont forget that we also saw H.G Wells already in the series about eugenics and I think he will b returning in the time machine episode!!! Other than than , I am 100 % with u about what u said above, I agree and I am glad i am not the only one. |
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 22, 2012 22:10:25 GMT
oh it's at the end? i thought it was in next episode, given that it's about inventions. I really hope they don't do something super lame and make it real. While i love sci-fi, it has no place in MM and if this turns out to be real, i'd lose a lot of respect for the writers (as i'm sure most fans would as well). Dont forget that HG Wells already turned up at the Eugenic society and tried to court Julia. so Sci-fi was part of this time too. Also Jules Verne was "le Pere de la science fiction", like HG Wells would be , In the last episode we saw of him, he left with a pen he borrowed from William and started to get idea about an island and a doctor and animals and I think we all know it was about doctor zhivago, the doctor who went to an island to experiment on eugenic about different animals species. So I would say that science fiction or the idea of science fiction started in that time. Jule Vernes ( 1828- 1905)came up with the idea of the submarine to explore the ocean. He wrote 8 weeks in balloon which reminds me of the air ballonn that Julia and William took in season 2. He also wrote about the voyage to the centre of the Earth. He came up with all those ideas before 1905 so scisnce fiction was already there there when Murdoch was around, its , I think a very interesting subject to tap into. Science fiction started in the 1900 so yes MM is in the area of science fiction because of Jules Vernes and HG. Wells. |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 22, 2012 23:04:12 GMT
Yes, but H.G. Wells' role in that was not sci fi at all. There was nothing sci fi about that episode at all. You're right, that people were already interested in the idea of science fiction in this era. They could incorporate it as long as they don't make sci fi things happen and make them real. William or George could be reading a sci fi novel and get swept up in it and think it's real through a dream because they were reading before bed and fell asleep. The time machine shows up, I believe, in the finale: 20th Century Murdoch. But I imagine there is a connection to the inventors we meet in the next episode, too. As far as I can tell from imdb, Julia will only be in 2 more episodes this season: Murdoch in Toyland and 20th Century Murdoch. I hope that's not true and she will sneak into a couple more.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 23, 2012 2:12:59 GMT
yeah, this would be okay. in fact, i think they had George reading a sci-fi book in the S1 finale before going to bed. Too bad we didn't get to see his dreams.  makes sense. i hope so too.  IMDB doesn't always get updated right away. so hopefully this is the case here. |
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 24, 2012 16:48:39 GMT
Yes, but H.G. Wells' role in that was not sci fi at all. There was nothing sci fi about that episode at all. You're right, that people were already interested in the idea of science fiction in this era. They could incorporate it as long as they don't make sci fi things happen and make them real. William or George could be reading a sci fi novel and get swept up in it and think it's real through a dream because they were reading before bed and fell asleep. The time machine shows up, I believe, in the finale: 20th Century Murdoch. But I imagine there is a connection to the inventors we meet in the next episode, too. As far as I can tell from imdb, Julia will only be in 2 more episodes this season: Murdoch in Toyland and 20th Century Murdoch. I hope that's not true and she will sneak into a couple more. I agree. Would be more fun if its a dream but it could b a glimpse too. We will see, I dont really mind as long as its a great episode. I really hope Julia is in all the other episodes like the previous seasons. I did understand why she was not there while she was setting up her practice but now after Stroll on the wild side, where she had a big part with her story arc and contraception + she played a crucial part in faking Anna's death with Murdoch. Therefore, it makes sense that we should now see her talking to Murdoch from then on. I mean, they may b both at risk now if the black hand discover what they did together. I really hope she is present in all episodes now. |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 24, 2012 21:19:45 GMT
The Black Hand probably doesn't know about Julia's part in Anna's faked death. So at least for now, she probably isn't in danger with them. Julia is only listed as being in Murdoch in Toyland (ep 11) and 2oth Century Murdoch (ep 13). I know Helene Joy wasn't as available in S5 because of other projects she was working on.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 25, 2012 14:30:11 GMT
That's a shame that she the actress couldnt b here more because MM has a team and she is part of that team. Invention convention for exemple would have been a perfect episode if it was Julia and not Emily that William was talking to at the morgue and it would have been as great as all other seasons . |
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Post by snacky on Sept 11, 2014 4:36:59 GMT
I have a question.
I just notice that Inspector Brackenreid is pitted against Inspector O'Kelly for the baseball game.
Inspector O'Kelly has a very thick Irish accent. While there are certainly Irish Protestants, MM has gone through great pains to paint the Irish "constituency" in Toronto as the Catholics.
From episode one, we have been told that what has been holding William back from advancing beyond Detective is the fact that he's Catholic - and he's not even Irish!
I feel there is a bit of an inconsistency here.
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Post by Hodge on Sept 11, 2014 5:00:57 GMT
I have a question. I just notice that Inspector Brackenreid is pitted against Inspector O'Kelly for the baseball game. Inspector O'Kelly has a very thick Irish accent. While there are certainly Irish Protestants, MM has gone through great pains to paint the Irish "constituency" in Toronto as the Catholics. From episode one, we have been told that what has been holding William back from advancing beyond Detective is the fact that he's Catholic - and he's not even Irish! I feel there is a bit of an inconsistency here. No inconsistency here. If you were Irish protestant you were fine. Note CC Stockton was Irish, obviously protestant as he's the one that wouldn't promote William. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 11, 2014 5:44:00 GMT
I have a question. I just notice that Inspector Brackenreid is pitted against Inspector O'Kelly for the baseball game. Inspector O'Kelly has a very thick Irish accent. While there are certainly Irish Protestants, MM has gone through great pains to paint the Irish "constituency" in Toronto as the Catholics. From episode one, we have been told that what has been holding William back from advancing beyond Detective is the fact that he's Catholic - and he's not even Irish! I feel there is a bit of an inconsistency here. No inconsistency here. If you were Irish protestant you were fine. Note CC Stockton was Irish, obviously protestant as he's the one that wouldn't promote William. You would understand the history of that really well if you come from the U.K., but that seems like an unnecessary complication of matters for the purpose of a TV show. Stereotypes aren't always bad things - they also serve as a sort of shorthand so the writers don't have to fill in a lot of history and back story. This just makes it harder (for non-Europeans at least) to make a mental map of who all the abstract team players are. And I say that as a fan of period shows teaching people something about actual history. |
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While i love sci-fi, it has no place in MM and if this turns out to be real, i'd lose a lot of respect for the writers (as i'm sure most fans would as well).
But dont forget that we also saw H.G Wells already in the series about eugenics and I think he will b returning in the time machine episode!!!
IMDB doesn't always get updated right away. so hopefully this is the case here.
