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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 20:15:29 GMT
I'm prickly about it too snacky but for the opposite reason. Nobody here has ever suggested that a baby is the natural end of the show. In fact we've been saying the opposite. The ONLY time to introduce a baby is when the show is coming to an end, whenever that is. I want this series to go on for many seasons to come. There is still so much to be explored. My point was that IF a natural child, as opposed to an adopted one, were to be introduced there is still time per TCM. I agree with you completely Hodge that the writers have not tied themselves to that timeline BECAUSE it was a dream. Snacky, I'm only wishing, out loud, for one of William's most heartfelt dreams to come true, AT SOME POINT. I am quite content to wait until the writers decide it's time but I'll be sad if that decision is never. There is too much work to be done re-establishing a new balance between W/J's marriage and working relationships. IMO, that needs to be the only thing secondary to the murder mystery for next season. IMO one of the major reasons this season has felt so off kilter is the number of secondary plotlines and characters that have been introduced. I'm not saying the W/J ship is the only thing worth layering in...I see more in store for the suffragist arc, Fr. Keegan etc, but I think they need to minimize how much they take on in order to have the kind of tight, edgy writing that has defined the MM that we know and love. This season has had way too many secondary characters and some of the episodes had three plotlines going on. That's way too much for a 45 minute show. I think that's why things have felt off balance this year. I'm glad they didn't bring up the child this season, it's way too soon, especially as we haven't really seen the marriage yet. It never would be way too soon for me but as William really does want a family I can go for that as long as it doesn't take away from the rest of the show. I'm wondering if we could get some of the romance back if they get a home of their own and use that as a 'honeymoon' period as we didn't get anything but a comment from Julia about the honeymoon continuing. I guess we were supposed to be content with that. The way the relationship has gone this season they need to get it back on track before any mention of children. I agree they need to tighten up the writing and get it back to what it was in the earlier seasons. |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 29, 2015 20:17:22 GMT
What can't be forgotten is the Julia would be at least in her late 30s, 40ish by now.....given how risky childbirth was in general in that period, and really risky for late pregnancies, I don't know how realistic a natural child would be.......This is why I think, if they do decide on a child for William and Julia, it will be through adoption.....
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 20:17:38 GMT
I'm prickly about it too snacky but for the opposite reason. Nobody here has ever suggested that a baby is the natural end of the show. In fact we've been saying the opposite. The ONLY time to introduce a baby is when the show is coming to an end, whenever that is. Actually, Melanie Pond has suggested the show should come to a "natural" end next year with Julia having a baby. I realize no one who posts regularly here reduces the show to shipper moments to the extent that the baby HAS to happen next. I just feel obliged to speak out when I feel the conversation moving in that direction because I know that the thought is out there. Who is Melanie Pond? I assume she's nothing to do with the show and so her opinion has no bearing on what actually happens. There is no natural end to a show except when the writers run out of ideas. I very much doubt that time has come with MM. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 20:22:28 GMT
I want this series to go on for many seasons to come. There is still so much to be explored. My point was that IF a natural child, as opposed to an adopted one, were to be introduced there is still time per TCM. I agree with you completely Hodge that the writers have not tied themselves to that timeline BECAUSE it was a dream. Snacky, I'm only wishing, out loud, for one of William's most heartfelt dreams to come true, AT SOME POINT. I am quite content to wait until the writers decide it's time but I'll be sad if that decision is never. There is too much work to be done re-establishing a new balance between W/J's marriage and working relationships. IMO, that needs to be the only thing secondary to the murder mystery for next season. IMO one of the major reasons this season has felt so off kilter is the number of secondary plotlines and characters that have been introduced. I'm not saying the W/J ship is the only thing worth layering in...I see more in store for the suffragist arc, Fr. Keegan etc, but I think they need to minimize how much they take on in order to have the kind of tight, edgy writing that has defined the MM that we know and love. I totally agree that William wanting a child is canon and should at the very least be exploited as a source of tension within the marriage. I also agree that I'd rather see Julia trying to pursue a natural child - in fact I see that as a wonderful source of delay for the whole thing as well as a great reference point for the medical science of the day. I've brought it up in posts before. The sole point I'm objecting to is making the birth of a child the last episode of the series - and discussing it in the Twentieth Century Murdoch thread had the further ramification of tying it to William's dream. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 20:25:53 GMT
What can't be forgotten is the Julia would be at least in her late 30s, 40ish by now.....given how risky childbirth was in general in that period, and really risky for late pregnancies, I don't know how realistic a natural child would be.......This is why I think, if they do decide on a child for William and Julia, it will be through adoption..... That decision could really be put off indefinitely. Which means Julia can and should get her career and public achievements she wants first. But Father Keegan is hinting heavily that at a certain point William and Julia will be too old to easily raise children - so they will probably have to talk about it at some point. It would still be cool if Julia explored some medical options first, though. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 20:28:16 GMT
I want this series to go on for many seasons to come. There is still so much to be explored. My point was that IF a natural child, as opposed to an adopted one, were to be introduced there is still time per TCM. I agree with you completely Hodge that the writers have not tied themselves to that timeline BECAUSE it was a dream. Snacky, I'm only wishing, out loud, for one of William's most heartfelt dreams to come true, AT SOME POINT. I am quite content to wait until the writers decide it's time but I'll be sad if that decision is never. There is too much work to be done re-establishing a new balance between W/J's marriage and working relationships. IMO, that needs to be the only thing secondary to the murder mystery for next season. IMO one of the major reasons this season has felt so off kilter is the number of secondary plotlines and characters that have been introduced. I'm not saying the W/J ship is the only thing worth layering in...I see more in store for the suffragist arc, Fr. Keegan etc, but I think they need to minimize how much they take on in order to have the kind of tight, edgy writing that has defined the MM that we know and love. I totally agree that William wanting a child is canon and should at the very least be exploited as a source of tension within the marriage. I also agree that I'd rather see Julia trying to pursue a natural child - in fact I see that as a wonderful source of delay for the whole thing as well as a great reference point for the medical science of the day. I've brought it up in posts before. The sole point I'm objecting to is making the birth of a child the last episode of the series - and discussing it in the Twentieth Century Murdoch thread had the further ramification of tying it to William's dream. I don't think it matters what thread it's in other than this is an ep where a child is suggested. Let's start another thread for it if it makes you uncomfortable discussing it here. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 20:28:57 GMT
Actually, Melanie Pond has suggested the show should come to a "natural" end next year with Julia having a baby. I realize no one who posts regularly here reduces the show to shipper moments to the extent that the baby HAS to happen next. I just feel obliged to speak out when I feel the conversation moving in that direction because I know that the thought is out there. Who is Melanie Pond? I assume she's nothing to do with the show and so her opinion has no bearing on what actually happens. There is no natural end to a show except when the writers run out of ideas. I very much doubt that time has come with MM. She's an older forum person here who still posts occasionally. I believe she's on tumblr and probably FB as well. Strong shipper. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 20:31:02 GMT
What can't be forgotten is the Julia would be at least in her late 30s, 40ish by now.....given how risky childbirth was in general in that period, and really risky for late pregnancies, I don't know how realistic a natural child would be.......This is why I think, if they do decide on a child for William and Julia, it will be through adoption..... That decision could really be put off indefinitely. Which means Julia can and should get her career and public achievements she wants first. But Father Keegan is hinting heavily that at a certain point William and Julia will be too old to easily raise children - so they will probably have to talk about it at some point. It would still be cool if Julia explored some medical options first, though. Let's not forget here that they would probably have a nanny to do all the grunt work of raising a child so really age doesn't come into it if they're adopting. When Fr. Keegan mentioned about age he didn't know Julia had money, he probably assumed William married someone of his own status. |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 29, 2015 20:31:28 GMT
I want this series to go on for many seasons to come. There is still so much to be explored. My point was that IF a natural child, as opposed to an adopted one, were to be introduced there is still time per TCM. I agree with you completely Hodge that the writers have not tied themselves to that timeline BECAUSE it was a dream. Snacky, I'm only wishing, out loud, for one of William's most heartfelt dreams to come true, AT SOME POINT. I am quite content to wait until the writers decide it's time but I'll be sad if that decision is never. There is too much work to be done re-establishing a new balance between W/J's marriage and working relationships. IMO, that needs to be the only thing secondary to the murder mystery for next season. IMO one of the major reasons this season has felt so off kilter is the number of secondary plotlines and characters that have been introduced. I'm not saying the W/J ship is the only thing worth layering in...I see more in store for the suffragist arc, Fr. Keegan etc, but I think they need to minimize how much they take on in order to have the kind of tight, edgy writing that has defined the MM that we know and love. I totally agree that William wanting a child is canon and should at the very least be exploited as a source of tension within the marriage. I also agree that I'd rather see Julia trying to pursue a natural child - in fact I see that as a wonderful source of delay for the whole thing as well as a great reference point for the medical science of the day. I've brought it up in posts before. The sole point I'm objecting to is making the birth of a child the last episode of the series - and discussing it in the Twentieth Century Murdoch thread had the further ramification of tying it to William's dream. It's not the first time William had that dream...Dinosaur Fever was. I don't even think it even needs to be a birth, just an announcement, right along with William and Julia opening the first Criminal Forensic Laboratory staffed by George and Emily among others and William promoting it with a lecture tour for police departments across North America and Europe.  |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 20:32:01 GMT
Who is Melanie Pond? I assume she's nothing to do with the show and so her opinion has no bearing on what actually happens. There is no natural end to a show except when the writers run out of ideas. I very much doubt that time has come with MM. She's an older forum person here who still posts occasionally. I believe she's on tumblr and probably FB as well. Strong shipper. Well her opinion doesn't matter when it comes to the show. She can think whatever she wants, I don't agree. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 20:33:12 GMT
I totally agree that William wanting a child is canon and should at the very least be exploited as a source of tension within the marriage. I also agree that I'd rather see Julia trying to pursue a natural child - in fact I see that as a wonderful source of delay for the whole thing as well as a great reference point for the medical science of the day. I've brought it up in posts before. The sole point I'm objecting to is making the birth of a child the last episode of the series - and discussing it in the Twentieth Century Murdoch thread had the further ramification of tying it to William's dream. It's not the first time William had that dream...Dinosaur Fever was. I don't even think it even needs to be a birth, just an announcement, right along with William and Julia opening the first Criminal Forensic Laboratory staffed by George and Emily among others and William promoting it with a lecture tour for police departments across North America and Europe. That would be an excellent end to the show, in 20 years time! |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 29, 2015 20:39:20 GMT
It's not the first time William had that dream...Dinosaur Fever was. I don't even think it even needs to be a birth, just an announcement, right along with William and Julia opening the first Criminal Forensic Laboratory staffed by George and Emily among others and William promoting it with a lecture tour for police departments across North America and Europe. That would be an excellent end to the show, in 20 years time! That's my story and I'm sticking with it.  |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 20:41:34 GMT
That would be an excellent end to the show, in 20 years time! That's my story and I'm sticking with it. Love it!!  |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 20:54:52 GMT
It's not the first time William had that dream...Dinosaur Fever was. I don't even think it even needs to be a birth, just an announcement, right along with William and Julia opening the first Criminal Forensic Laboratory staffed by George and Emily among others and William promoting it with a lecture tour for police departments across North America and Europe. That would be an excellent end to the show, in 20 years time! I'd rather they open the Criminal Forensic Lab sooner rather than later - one is already open in France! Again, dreaming about children isn't the issue - only the blossoming of a presumptive timeline. I love William's dreams - including dreams about children! It gives him a conflice with Julia! |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 20:57:24 GMT
That would be an excellent end to the show, in 20 years time! That's my story and I'm sticking with it. Then we can setting down with Murdoch Mysteries: The Next Generation. (Reboot with William's son, teehee). |
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