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Post by jj1 on Apr 18, 2013 13:22:47 GMT
i think where all jumping the gun a little
we know julia and william love each other by the last episode he was willing to die for her
and her last words before she nearly got hung was her love for william even if the ending was not what we liked i still think it will all work out
has for marraige and children
info(has i'm a child of a mixed faith marraige)
the catholic church
if one partener is non catholic and been married before he or she is free to marry only if his or her spouse has died
he or she must take up the faith and agree to off spring baptished in the faith
the 1838 act
where a catholic can with the church of englands blessing can marry
so the writers have there work cut out for them
apart from that thankyou to the writers actors any everyone concerned with the show for a great season
and roll on season7 wi
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Post by murdochic on Apr 18, 2013 14:02:06 GMT
Julia doesn't need to give up her career to adopt a child. They can hire a nanny. I really can't see Julia becoming a full-time mother and wife, it's just not her. I expect with the guilt issue the first few episodes will be them taking it slowly. Then they'll get back on track and a proposal will follow. Then further on in S7 they'll get married. I wouldn't be surprised if they find a child to adopt by the end of S7 as well. Yeah, that's not the issue I'm referring to. Women were forced to give up their careers once they married and esp. once they had a child because their jobs would be given to men. It was not considered acceptable for a woman who was married to work and "keep a job away from a man" because she had a husband who was supposed to provide for her and her child(ren). If the couple was poor and could not support their family on just their husband's income, then it was okay but the woman was looked down on for having to work. In Julia and William's case her husband would be able to provide for her financially. When a woman was single it was considered acceptable (though not desirable) for her to work because she had no man to support her. Julia, of course, had a wealthy father to provide for her, so tongues already would have wagged that she was demeaning herself by working. But that would have been more accepted than her working once she was married and William could support her financially. The only way Julia wouldn't have to give up her position is if she now owns the asylum. If she bought it once Dr. Roberts effectively died, then she would have more power to keep her job. Otherwise, it's going to be a fight to keep her position, regardless of whether she has a nanny to care for her child. So even if they have her keep working after being married and having a child, they will need to show that it will be a struggle for her to do so. Julia could still consult with the police force that wouldn't be effected. |
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Post by murdochic on Apr 18, 2013 14:03:13 GMT
i think where all jumping the gun a little we know julia and william love each other by the last episode he was willing to die for her and her last words before she nearly got hung was her love for william even if the ending was not what we liked i still think it will all work out has for marraige and children info(has i'm a child of a mixed faith marraige) the catholic church if one partener is non catholic and been married before he or she is free to marry only if his or her spouse has died he or she must take up the faith and agree to off spring baptished in the faith the 1838 act where a catholic can with the church of englands blessing can marry so the writers have there work cut out for them apart from that thankyou to the writers actors any everyone concerned with the show for a great season and roll on season7 wi Julia is a widow so they don't have any problems with getting married now. |
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Post by jj1 on Apr 18, 2013 15:26:25 GMT
there are still problems with the marraige because even with julia been a widow
she's still not of his faith
and the only way for her still to marry william would been for her to change her faith unless
the priest seeks higher concil with would be the vatican
so maybe william's decision (having been told in his fortune) is to give up his faith
and he is the kind of guy who wouldn't ask julia to give up her job and i think he could live without children if it come to it so if they do marry then it will be him marrying in her faith
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Post by murdochic on Apr 18, 2013 22:55:21 GMT
there are still problems with the marraige because even with julia been a widow she's still not of his faith and the only way for her still to marry william would been for her to change her faith unless the priest seeks higher concil with would be the vatican so maybe william's decision (having been told in his fortune) is to give up his faith and he is the kind of guy who wouldn't ask julia to give up her job and i think he could live without children if it come to it so if they do marry then it will be him marrying in her faith I don't think it's any kind of issue. William was going to marry her when she was divorced so religious restrictions is something they've already gotten over. They'll do whatever is necessary. That shouldn't become a problem again in S7. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Apr 19, 2013 3:18:55 GMT
So Becca finally watched both episodes back to back!
First off they were beautiful episodes beautifully acted.
It was pretty strange seeing Brakenreid drinking tea. We are so used to him drinking whisky or some other alcoholic beverage. The fact that he was willing to lay of the alcohol which we know he loves so much to save Julia really shows how much he has come to respect her and Murdoch to a certain extent.
I was glad to get a little more character development of Cheif Constable Giles. He was always painted as a rival to Murdoch it was nice this episode to see more of his detective style. He does tend to jump the gun and when given a suspect seeks to prove their guilt. Giles is quick to judge but very practical and straight minded. But he is able to admit when he is wrong which to me is very important. And once he is able to admit that he may be wrong he seeks to rectify the situation.
The scene near the end when the Judge and Giles were watching the tape and Bracks had his first drink in a month for me was the big eye opener to Judge and Giles.
When Bracks pointed out that Gillies had a thing against Murdoch Giles was kind of scoffy. He seemed to think that it was just any old "murder vs detective that caught him" thing. But Gillies is something new. Something that Giles had never seen before. An intellectual serial killer. Yeah Giles had seen serial killers before the just go around and kill people ones. But both he and the Judge had never seen one that was proficiency in the use of the new technologies and not only killed people but physiologically hunted them as well. They had never seen a psychopath that set people-innocent people up for murder, ones that planted evidence to make sure their victim hung.
If we say that Murdoch is Sherlock Holmes, Gillies is his Moriarty.
(Crabtree is Watson, Julia is Irene Adler, Brakenreid is Lastrade, and Grace is Mary Morstan)
Will Gillies be back? Probably. I wouldn't be surprised. If he did.
The ending of this episode was just fine. I had to watch it a second time just to make sure they didn't break up but still it was fine. What did we expect? Wedding Bells? Both had been though extremely traumatic experiences. William did say the wrong thing about going to celebrate. What had happened to them really wasn't something to celebrate. They need to take things slow. Get out of the spotlight for a bit. They need to learn to live with the things that had happned to them individually before they can work on trying to live with them together.
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Post by hannikan on Apr 19, 2013 5:09:35 GMT
Yeah, that's not the issue I'm referring to. Women were forced to give up their careers once they married and esp. once they had a child because their jobs would be given to men. It was not considered acceptable for a woman who was married to work and "keep a job away from a man" because she had a husband who was supposed to provide for her and her child(ren). If the couple was poor and could not support their family on just their husband's income, then it was okay but the woman was looked down on for having to work. In Julia and William's case her husband would be able to provide for her financially. When a woman was single it was considered acceptable (though not desirable) for her to work because she had no man to support her. Julia, of course, had a wealthy father to provide for her, so tongues already would have wagged that she was demeaning herself by working. But that would have been more accepted than her working once she was married and William could support her financially. The only way Julia wouldn't have to give up her position is if she now owns the asylum. If she bought it once Dr. Roberts effectively died, then she would have more power to keep her job. Otherwise, it's going to be a fight to keep her position, regardless of whether she has a nanny to care for her child. So even if they have her keep working after being married and having a child, they will need to show that it will be a struggle for her to do so. Julia could still consult with the police force that wouldn't be effected. Oh, sure she can consult with them unofficially because she is only unofficially working with William anyway. Her reputation as a great coroner with the constabulary has also given her the opportunity to work as a psychiatrist with them, which she probably wouldn't otherwise be able to (however unofficial it is). But holding onto her position at the asylum will rest largely on whether she controls it financially. If it's owned by the city or province, there would be a struggle. Even in the 1950's women were forced to given up their careers when they married because of this idea that they would be unacceptably taking jobs away from men (head of household), no matter how successful at their jobs they were. |
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Post by shangas on Apr 19, 2013 5:15:45 GMT
I finally got the chance to watch both episodes together. So let's begin with the breakdown...
CON:
The big problem with episodes like this is that they're very predictable. You know what the ending is the moment it starts. And you know what will happen and how it will turn out.
That said...
This episode was very very interesting. The investigation was riveting and the crime very cunning.
I may be wrong, but I BELIEVE this is the only episode thusfar, to have an actual courtroom drama. So I very much enjoyed watching that.
I loved this episode for the Giles conflict that it provoked. It's been too long in the waiting, for Murdoch and Brackenreid to give Giles a piece of their mind. On the other hand, I also liked Giles' turnaround later in the episode. It does show a certain humanity and that he isn't just made of stone. So that balanced things out very nicely.
I'm not sure what else I can say about the episodes, other than that I enjoyed them very much.
I look forward to Season 7, if there is one, which I strongly suspect, there probably will if what I've been reading is true.
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Post by hannikan on Apr 19, 2013 6:38:26 GMT
So Becca finally watched both episodes back to back! When Bracks pointed out that Gillies had a thing against Murdoch Giles was kind of scoffy. He seemed to think that it was just any old "murder vs detective that caught him" thing. But Gillies is something new. Something that Giles had never seen before. An intellectual serial killer. Yeah Giles had seen serial killers before the just go around and kill people ones. But both he and the Judge had never seen one that was proficiency in the use of the new technologies and not only killed people but physiologically hunted them as well. They had never seen a psychopath that set people-innocent people up for murder, ones that planted evidence to make sure their victim hung. The ending of this episode was just fine. I had to watch it a second time just to make sure they didn't break up but still it was fine. What did we expect? Wedding Bells? Both had been though extremely traumatic experiences. William did say the wrong thing about going to celebrate. What had happened to them really wasn't something to celebrate. They need to take things slow. Get out of the spotlight for a bit. They need to learn to live with the things that had happned to them individually before they can work on trying to live with them together. Yeah, that's a good point about Giles and the judge's reaction to Gillies methods. They were pretty blown away. I agree about the ending. |
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Post by shangas on Apr 19, 2013 11:33:48 GMT
Addressing these episodes from a scientific and technological standpoint, I'd like to say that the 'talkie' film s that Gillies produced were FAR too much of a liberty. Such things were not possible in 1900. Film existed and audio-recordings existed. But the technological advancements required to synchronise the two of them did not. At least not to any degree of quality. And certainly not to that shown in the episodes. One BIG issue I have ALWAYS had with Murdoch Mysteries is the incredible liberty that it takes with audio-recordings. As an avid listener of vintage jazz and pop-music, I can assure you - in 1900, that level of audio-clarity was IMPOSSIBLE to attain. Listen to any recording prior to the mid-1920s, and you'll be bombarded by static, pops, crackling, hissing and grinding. And that's even with the recordings which have been repaired. Audio-clarity such as that shown in the Murdoch Trap simply did not exist. Recordings at this time were made through the following method: A needle was placed on a wax cylinder. The cylinder was set in motion. An amplification horn was placed to the speaker's mouth. The speaker had to SHOUT down the horn to the needle, to create the sonic vibrations necessary to cut a groove into the record. Speaking in a normal, conversational tone of voice would almost never have been picked up by the record - and certainly not with that level of clarity. Don't believe me? This is a promotional cylinder-record from 1906 for the Edison Phonograph: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfBIS4XI0rYAs you can hear, the quality of the recording is nowhere near as crisp as what we see in the show. If you want to talk about stretching the truth - THAT is stretching the truth. The level of audio-quality we see in Murdoch Mysteries was NOT achieved until the late 1920s at the earliest. In case you can't hear the words clearly on that 100+year-old recording, it says: I am the Edison phonograph, created by the great wizard of the new world, to delight those who would have melody, or be amused. I can sing you tender songs of love. I can give you merry tales, and joyous laughter. I can transport you to the realms of music. I can cause you to join in the rhythmic dance! I can lull the babes to sleep repose, or awaken in the aged heart, soft memories of youthful days.
No matter what may be your mood, I am always ready to entertain you! When your day's work is done, I can bring the theatre, or the opera to your home. I can give you grand opera, comic opera, or vaudeville! I can give you sacred, or popular music; band, orchestral or instrumental music. I can render solos, duets, trios, quartets! I can aid in entertaining your guests!
When your wife is worried after the cares of the day, and the children are boisterous, I can rest the one, and quiet the other. I never get tired, and you will never tire of me, for I always have something new to offer! I give pleasure to all, young and old! I will go where-ever you want me. In the parlour, in the sickroom, on the porch, in the camp, or to your summer home!
If you sing, or talk to me, I will retain your songs or words, and repeat them to you at your pleasure! I can enable you to always hear the voices of your loved ones, even though they are far away. I talk in every language, I can help you to learn other languages!
I am made with the highest degree of mechanical skill. My voice is the clearest, smoothest, and most natural of any talking-machine. The name of my famous master is on my body, and tells you that I am a genuine Edison phonograph! The more you become acquainted with me, the better you will like me!
Ask the dealer!That was top-of-the-range in 1906. No way they could have anything better than that in 1900. |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 20, 2013 2:48:09 GMT
^ Yeah, I've often thought that about their use of audio-recordings throughout the show, too. But I do think they would be hindered plot-wise if they didn't take some liberties with it. This episode was written by Paul Aitken, who has been writing for MM for several years. He is not one of the new writers, which have been criticized a lot.
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Post by shangas on Apr 20, 2013 3:26:21 GMT
I can overlook the audio-recordings for purposes of dramatic license, but the film with sound is too much. It would never have happened.
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Post by hannikan on Apr 20, 2013 3:31:31 GMT
^ Yeah, I know what you mean. I think it was entertaining enough that I looked past it, but my first thought was, "What?!"  |
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Post by renaissancegirl on Apr 20, 2013 6:50:49 GMT
Did anyone think the trapdoor placed in the middle of Darcy's house and the convenient access from the neighbouring house a little far fetched as well? I know Darcy just recently moved into the home, but the chances of Gillies having access to both homes to rig things the way he did seemed a little fantastic. I found that there were too many things thrown at the viewer that seemed somewhat ridiculous at times, especially after the first part--episode 12--was so amazingly well done! They could have really taken episode 13 in a really good direction without having to stretch things, but the masks, use of film, lifting of fingerprints and trapdoor/s (and visible carbon monoxide gas to boot!) seemed somewhat over-the-top. They have certainly done a whole lot better in previous seasons, without having to compromise believability or viewers' interest. There were at least good moments, though. I did like how we saw Giles "in action," and thought that the ending was indeed fitting, considering what Julia had gone through. I think we are going to see things finally fall into place for Julia and William in season 7 (Well I do hope so. If the writers drag things out for another season...).
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Post by shangas on Apr 20, 2013 9:22:29 GMT
I was never very good at science, but from what I recall from highschool, isn't carbon monoxide supposed to be invisible??
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