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Post by hannikan on May 1, 2013 5:59:49 GMT
There were films at this time, as early as the 1890's, but they didn't have sound. And they wouldn't have been as clear and seamless as Gillies' was. The camera obscura projection in real time was an even bigger stretch, I think. This episode probably took the biggest liberties with the existing technological capabilities. Glad you enjoyed it, Lucy. I still did, too. Yes, we need a S7 section soon.  |
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Post by delirious on May 1, 2013 16:11:28 GMT
They MUST have had an alternative ending filmed in case there was no new season (unless they knew waaaay in advance that they were renewed and just didn't want to tell us). If they had ended the series with his effing face as the last frame I would have been beyond enraged. >.< Yep, I'm sure they had an alternate ending then. They have filmed 2 endings for all the seasons from S3 on. That's too bad. I'm impatient to see it, too!! Rogers never really was all that into the show. They somewhat inherited it in the great mergers and acquisitions of 2007 and put it on Citytv, which they were trying to get. Prior to that Murdoch Mysteries was to be a cable show on Bravo! which was at that time owned by the now defunct CHUM Television. Most shows don't know if they will be renewed as far in advance as would be ideal however most broadcasters want their shows, at least in the beginning. Rogers cancelled Murdoch Mysteries because it was not in keeping with their desire to appeal to young people who like American reality shows. In a strange twist Rogers lacks options for satisfying Canadian Content requirements these days and their repeats of the first five seasons are among their most watched programming. Those alternate endings you refer to propose an interesting situation given when the seasons were shown in Canada. Alibi shows the season 4 finale with the 'next season is coming' ending on 10 May 2011. Suppose Rogers decides to cancel the show. What is done with the domestic broadcast of Murdoch In Wonderland on 31 August 2011? The thing is Rogers did at that time actually decide to cancel the show, after one more season. By the time Alibi shows the season finale they have pretty much committed to an ending whatever Rogers might subsequently decide. With domestic broadcast once again happening prior to international broadcast if CBC had cancelled the show they would have been able to request that 'show is complete' ending you say exists before the 'tune in next season' ending was shown in the UK. CBC did actually want Murdoch Mysteries and if you saw my little post back in December there was a charity auction in Toronto which included a role in an episode. With season 6 having been all done at that point it had to be for season 7. If you read between the lines the executives at CBC didn't intend on picking up a show just for a single season. Iden Ford a couple of years ago wrote a bit on how Christina Jennings wanted to see Murdoch Mysteries last for 8 seasons. As for the ending, back to Julia's stubborn guilt. I am quite tired of it. 'I had an abortion and it went bad and i can't have children now.' 'I'm going to marry someone else if you don't propose to me today.' 'My husband was murdered and it was all my fault.' She is the biggest hindrance to their own happiness. Showing James Gillies as they did i thought was quite brilliant. Without that scene we might be inclined to think that Constable Crabtree killed him. What value is an evil nemesis that is dead? His presence in that scene is the strongest indication to the audience that the show will go on. It also somewhat reminds me of the tv movies which were more dark and sinister. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 1, 2014 18:29:06 GMT
I like the Murdoch Trap, and I have a vague understanding that it has something to do with what makes MM different from American TV, so I'd like to understand why I like it. I shouldn't like it as much as I do. As CosmicCalvalcade mentioned, it's riddled with historical inaccuracies. The villain is a cardboard cutout, even for Gillies. He might as well be twirling his mustache! The episode is largely set with Murdoch in a cage, surrounded by gadgets, as neatly groomed as ever, as if he's trapped in a toy shop.
If this episode was made in the U.S.A., William would be degraded in every way. He'd probably be naked. There would be toilet facilities in the corner of the cell and the audience would be in on how William used them. Gillies would insist on some torture. Perhaps he'd remove a body part or three. Gillies would swear a lot and spit on him. After trying to man up for 12 hours, William will break down, cry, and suffer PTSD thereafter. That's the American Way of Emmy Winning Television Drama.
The gadgets would be grungy and dripping with oil, not shiny with brass bits. Someone would actually get fired at Station House 4. Julia would end up with rope burns on her neck. No, scratch that. William would get there too late: Julia would hang. That's the American Way of Emmy Winning Television Drama.
Yes, the Murdoch Trap is slightly fake, but it's not fake in a bad sort of way. It's fake in a Surrealistic sort of way. This is what I figured out after posting a bit on MM and a surrealist film serial called Fantomas elsewhere. According to Wikipedia, the aim of Surrealism is "to resolve the previously contradictory conditions of dream and reality. Artists painted unnerving, illogical scenes with photographic precision, created strange creatures from everyday objects and developed painting techniques that allowed the unconscious to express itself and/or an idea/concept." The example everyone should recognize is Dali's paintings of melting clocks: a clock is an everyday object, but they would only melt in dreams. One TV show with Surrealist influences was The Prisoner.
It's a real challenge to classify MM, and of course the show actually strives to be a genre-hybrid and defy classification (OMG, I just got the Prisoner joke in that). I've leaned toward "Steampunk Mystery" which probably gives it a bit more scifi street cache that it delivers. But the more I think about it, the more I think MM is, at least partly, a Surrealist project. And I raise a toast to that.
If hannikan comes around again, there ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE A CANDY SHOP!!!!
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Post by snacky on Nov 23, 2014 10:51:39 GMT
If Julia didn't know William loved her before, she got to hear that William would do anything for her - even die for her - from wingman George!
At the end of the episode, Julia not only had to process that her affair with William had caused Darcy's death - it had also nearly caused William's death as well.
I also noted that when William hit the hanging Julia/skeleton, the "I forgive you, William" became "I fk'd you, William." If we were going with the non-Virgin theory, this might mean William did commit adultery with Julia, and now he is paying the consequences - the skeleton represents the price of their sin is her death.
IMHO, the episode is much more fun to view if you consider William's cage as Surreal/toy/psychological. William mainly needs to beat something within himself in order to rescue Julia.
Julia needs to trust/have faith in William in order to transcend her own cell.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 23, 2014 16:54:13 GMT
If Julia didn't know William loved her before, she got to hear that William would do anything for her - even die for her - from wingman George! At the end of the episode, Julia not only had to process that her affair with William had caused Darcy's death - it had also nearly caused William's death as well. I also noted that when William hit the hanging Julia/skeleton, the "I forgive you, William" became "I fk'd you, William." If we were going with the non-Virgin theory, this might mean William did commit adultery with Julia, and now he is paying the consequences - the skeleton represents the price of their sin is her death. IMHO, the episode is much more fun to view if you consider William's cage as Surreal/toy/psychological. William mainly needs to beat something within himself in order to rescue Julia. Julia needs to trust/have faith in William in order to transcend her own cell. okay, i'm assuming you're not being literal with the f*ck you part but now i feel compelled to investigate.  lol omg! it actually does sound like that!  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 23, 2014 17:30:18 GMT
And now this has reminded me of this part:  I know he was trying to hide what he was doing but it kinda looks like the beginning of some sort of kinky porn thing instead. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 23, 2014 17:32:49 GMT
And now this has reminded me of this part: I know he was trying to hide what he was doing but it kinda looks like the beginning of some sort of kinky porn thing instead. LOL! I can't believe you just put that thought in my head! **goes off to get brain bleach** |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 23, 2014 17:39:24 GMT
And now this has reminded me of this part: I know he was trying to hide what he was doing but it kinda looks like the beginning of some sort of kinky porn thing instead. LOL! I can't believe you just put that thought in my head! **goes off to get brain bleach** Won't help. You're scarred for life!!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 23, 2014 19:48:30 GMT
okay, i'm assuming you're not being literal with the f*ck you part but now i feel compelled to investigate. lol omg! it actually does sound like that! I listened to it a few times. I'm thinking that was deliberate...  So I guess it was worth being punked by Bloupine to check that episode again lol. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 23, 2014 19:51:20 GMT
And now this has reminded me of this part: I know he was trying to hide what he was doing but it kinda looks like the beginning of some sort of kinky porn thing instead. Now if we think of the skeleton as some sort of auto-erotic asphyxiation projection... Seriously - you have to watch this episode as a Surrealist film. |
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Post by lea on Sept 5, 2015 15:38:08 GMT
Finally at the end of season 6!
1. I would like to think that the doll saying "I f'd you William" that Snacky pointed out was intentional.
2. It's interesting that Julia was going to hang so quickly!
3. I'm amazed Gillies was able to build everything involved without someone noticing.
4. It would have been nice to have had Gillies in the same room as William and skipped the whole film shenanigans. Michael Seater plays Gillies so well but this just didn't show that off much.
5. Julia would benefit from her earlier advice of "You can't blame yourself for the actions of a deranged killer."
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Post by helena1 on Jul 28, 2021 17:40:04 GMT
for 2, its completly stupid,Julia in morning know William vanished, so hope is off.When the ward lead her to gallow, she is goinig more quickly, it stupidity, I didnt know, when the culprite so hurry to her horrible death.And, all Julia is before this episode and latter also woman og action, sporting,archery, she has shown, her strenght is sometime greater as some mans, but there she is literrally as the sheep.Perhaps in those days anglosaxon were so indoctrinate, when court decised, isnt any possibility makce trying for save?.And in the chamber its is the goal of disgustiing, I have not known, to cty or laught.The scene of preparing to hanging is absolutelly wrong inclusive position of noose and knot.Julia is intelligent woman and she didnt try cayol the judge and win the time?Or she has free hands, this is also dummy, but she didnt try overtaking the rule, the judge is senile man,walking only with walking stick, there are only 2 wards, priest dont count, when she go on scaffold, it would be possible play some as fall to ground, go near to judge, keep right hand around neck, and cry, "free way, or I strangulate him by hand around neck, the judge was the most prominent person, so wards could nothing do for jeopardised him, go out chamber, I have studied the plans of Don Jail prison, gallow was in 2 stock, near to staircase, so one stock down and she would be in main hall, the watch certainly has to open gate, in fear about judges health, before entrance catch the carriage/judge certainly go to prison by coach/ and go somethere, when wait for williams arrival.Yes, I know, its a bit violent, but, think, she know, William evening before hanging not arrive and Emili talked, he is missing.So, no hope.Its embarrasing, she would achieve some advantage, instead, she stay under gallows and talking about love as teenager.And, next, Brackenried could call phone from Gillies home to prison, that there are evidence about Julias unguilty and Gillies is arrested.The all look, as station4 mens were more interested in arresting Gillies, as in Julias save.Its all horrible stupidity this episode.And the Williams discovery of shooting machine in end, which one he wasnt able finf, when investigated crime scene, could one believe in this stupidity a uncompetence of William Murdoch, which is in rest of serie so inovative,smart,experienced detective.He was talking oft to Crabtree . George, you must find every detail, and he himself did such mistake?.
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